MDMA Approved for troops

About the article itself: I think it's very likely PTSD can be treated by MDMA, but this study in particular is flawed: Every patient wil know if they swallowed the placebo or the real thing, so the whole double blind element is removed. They'd better have given an equally powerful active placebo (meth perhaps ;)), or have changed the whole setup of the study.
 
Well, I guess i misunderstood what u were trying to say but my main point was that even the black market MDxx pills u took are in no comparison to these pharmecuetically grade pills that the govt makes....

Many chemist are forced by either greed or cautiousness to use "alternative" chemicals in the synthesis of MDMA....

The govt doesnt have this prob they can easily obtain all the appropriate chemicals needed.....therefore yielding a much purer MDMA synthesis.....

The effects from a pharmeceutical graded E, from my understanding, is not necessarily intense, its not engineered to make u feel good, as a narcotic. Its made for the purposes of psychotherapy.....Therefore i believe the drug prob wouldnt be too overwhelming....I wish i could try some to confirm my assumptions....

Ive tired the govt grown marijuana and its engineered perfectly for its medical purposes as a pain killer.....Its not nearly as enjoyable as reg weed......ITs not inteneded to be pleasant....IT serves its purpose, as a pain killer....You feel nothing.....Not giggly or enjoyable.....you have absolutely no desire to move....

I smoked maybe half a joint of that stuff......and i was loaded for 4 or 5 hrs.....during the time i didnt leave the coach ...at all....(at the time i was a reg weed smoker)

a·buse

1. To use wrongly or improperly; misuse
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Im not trying to down u in any way......I have used the substance many times myself.....I dont see a prob w/ it at all....when used responsibly

But when it comes to psychotherapy and using it as it was intended (i.e see Dr. Shuglin's reasons for introducing MDMA to psychotherapist)

Recreational use can be determined to be abuse....It wasnt intended to be a substance to have fun w/ and party on....It was intended for medical uses....

So my point w/ the 'abuse' statement was that these psychotherapy sessions will most prob be used sparingly and in extreme cases only.....A patient would most likely be sunjected maybe once.....to help jump start therapy.....I doubt that it would be used multiple times....

I think this statement below summarizes beautifully of how the psychological community would like to use this drug...

I don't think they would ever write perscriptions for this kind of stuff. It's not meant to be used like a benzo in the hands of a patient, it's meant to be used as a tool in the hands of a doctor. These sorts of techniques, if they catch on, I see becoming more like a psychological sort of surgery. The doctor holds the scalpal, not the patient.
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[nl]mdma said:
About the article itself: I think it's very likely PTSD can be treated by MDMA, but this study in particular is flawed: Every patient wil know if they swallowed the placebo or the real thing, so the whole double blind element is removed. They'd better have given an equally powerful active placebo (meth perhaps ;)), or have changed the whole setup of the study.
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haha good point!!

But i imgine any other substance may backfire cuz it might cause the reverse effect in patients (making them worse)
 
Sorry off topic but.....

teetmanike said:
I don't know if a approve of this... I mean if one goes to the army volunteeringly, one should be ready to live with the consequenses, nodoby's going to give MDMA to the Iraqis, to the families of those they've killed...
It would be a different matter if one was forced to go to the army (as it was in Vietnam for instance)
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First, this study has absolutely nothing to do w/ political motives......be happy this research is being conducted at all....

People did volunteer for the army.....Many prob voluteered b4 the war....

And many believe whatever the fuck the govt spews out anyway......So they at least are serving w/ good intentions....to serve their country......and plz...dont spew out any mike moore crap....

Ok back on topic=D
 
Triple_X_Girlfriend said:
I have never abused ecstacy. I used to roll maybe 3-4 times a year. I never ate a pill that wasn't tested right in front of my face. I care about myself more than that. I never suffered from anxiety until i went through some rough times. I.E. family deaths, depression, moving, and a divorce. My present anxiety prevents me from being able to roll. As soon as i feel myself coming up its all down hill from there. After the 3rd time of this occurring i decided it was time for me to quit.

This reverse reaction i speak of is, while coming...throwing up, a tight chest *feeling as if im suffocating*, shaking uncontrobly, sweating, feeling faint, and having an over whelming scary feeling. And i know that my anxiety plays a part in this. I know many people whos anxiety plays a part in them having problems enjoying MDMA.

The point i was trying to get out was, i think that if these soliders are that mentally disturbed to try this that maybe it may not turn out as they expect it to. But then again it could work wonders. No one knows until it is tried. Hopefully it will help more people than doing harm.
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Good point....

But im sure trained medical professionals can identify the good candidates and the bad ones.....

But this is still an experiment.....and i bet ALOT is learned from this research
 
hypnotik1,

I didn't take it as you bashing me...don't worry.

I'm also curious how pharmaceutical MDMA would be designed different......isn't MDMA the same as MDMA the same as MDMA . . . . . . .? Say a chemist makes pure MDMA for personal use. Ain't that the same as government made MDMA? I just think the dose would be different, maybe give the user some vitamins or something . . . .
 
Spooky Mulder said:
hypnotik1,

I didn't take it as you bashing me...don't worry.

I'm also curious how pharmaceutical MDMA would be designed different......isn't MDMA the same as MDMA the same as MDMA . . . . . . .? Say a chemist makes pure MDMA for personal use. Ain't that the same as government made MDMA? I just think the dose would be different, maybe give the user some vitamins or something . . . .
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Note: the example chemicals (a, b , ect..) are unknown chemicals but pretend they are a particular chemical to make MDMA

Its like this.....

It requires 'a,b,c,d,e,f,g, ect'... chemicals to yield MDMA....

Problem is that the govt knows what certain chemicals are used strictly for drug synthesizing(make that the 'a' & 'b' chemicals)....those chemicals are nearly impossible to obtain unless u are a govt chemist.....Using these chemicals for a legit reason...

And even the govt chemist has to let the govt know EXACTLY what they are doing w/ them......and account for all of 'a' & 'b' substance....

So when a black market chemist synthesizes MDMA for example...HE knows which chemicals he can get w/o suspiscion(make these chemicals 'c,d,e,f,g') and which ones he cant(a & b)....and some of the ones he can, may very well cost alot of $$ ('c' & 'd')....So some black market chemist may skip a step or use a crap substitute....

Synthesis now becomes 'e,f,g' and some subs like 'h,i,j'

Therefore yielding a less pure substanmce (say a 50% yield)......To make up for the crap MDMA synth .....they either press the pill w/ a high dosage or add other drugs like meth, k, caffine, ect.....

The govt chemist on the other hand, have none of this to worry about....What they are doing is prefectly legal so they can easily obtain all the required ingredients....They yield a 100% pure MDMA synth

So what im saying is that the quality of the pill depends on ur ingredients.....just like when u make a pie....If u use low quality ingreidients , skip a step , use a sub.....you end up w/ a not so great pie....

Govt uses the highest quality ingredients.....They yield the hioghest quality MDMA....

Does that explain it a lil better?:\
 
Spooky Mulder said:


Like, I will get overwhelmed by good feelings, good feelings I associate with rolling and raves and music and such. It's mainly MDMA and MDxx drugs. They just create feeelings that are too intense for me I guess. I get overwhelmed with how good I feel.
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Wow , that is pretty strange reaction, I can't imagine how someone could be overwhelmed of how good they feel, isn't that the whole point ?
 
I know from my own experience that, the pills i've had that are closest to pure mdma are very UNINTENSE. At times you almost feel completely straight with no head fuck at all. Just a beautiful happy on top of the world feeling. :D
Then I have had other pills that while they have that mdma feeling also fuck with your head and feel too intense.

There are many different forms of mdma, different ways of making it that give different results but still all mdma. Not to mention difference race mixes of - and + isomers ( I think thats how you say it). I believe even Shulgin himself talks about this.
 
The US food and drug administration has given the go-ahead for the soldiers to be included in an experiment to see if MDMA, the active ingredient in ecstasy, can treat post-traumatic stress disorder.
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I literally fell out of my seat when I read that.

Perhaps there IS hope.
 
i think they should have there pick of any drugs since they are fighting for our country.
So rock on soldiers
and
eat all the mdma u need to make it out there.
"Give Peace A Chance"
 
"The army is on ecstasy, so they say
Read all about it in USA Today
They stepped up urine testing, to make it go away
'cause it's hard to kill the enemy on old MDMA"
-Oysterhead
 
LEGALIZATION not THERAPY, kids

this is interesting...
but not the right approach
the right approach is freedom for self-medication
the only problems then will be health care...and, yea, i don't know about that, but society would then need to get together and think about a solution...

cause having medicine/drugs be illegal is no good

(just my random egoistic 2 cents)
 
thats awesome

i really hope the results of this study help promote it for use in the general masses (of course with liscensed psychiatrists etc)
 
Clonazaman said:
Oh yah, anything for the US war effort
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This has absoulutey nothing to do w/ the war!!!

Its that many of these soldiers are prime candidates for this research.....Using troops is also am excellent move politically b/c if it works for them then the public and govt may be much more excepting of the medical uses of MDMA...

They are USING the war for their own objectives...
 
I'd like to echo Invalid Usename that it is a tragedy that this wasn't an option for Vietnam War soldiers.

I do feel these soldiers need healing and due to the nature of trauma, I think oftentimes experiencing a state of consciousness that slightly alters the trauma mechanism is a "step in the right direction" for victims.
 
remember... there is a BIG difference between using MDMA in a controlled setting, with a controlled dose, with a trained doctor and using it in a dirty club, unknown dosage, with a bunch of people you don't know...

it's all about setting and intention.

you can use a drug to get fucked up and have fun, or use it to help expand your mind or get through a traumatic experience...
i'm not saying whats right or wrong, there is a time and place for everything, but i think this is promising...
remember, in the 80s (before it was illegal) there was extensive testing on the benefits of using mdma as a tool in therapy...

and i doubt it will be used often on one patient... in the studies i have read, often times only one or two sessions with mdma combined with regular therapy was enough for breakthrough to be reached...
 
davesoviet said:
They should start offering this treatment to the leaders of nations before they decide to engage in war.

MDMA treatment should also be mandatory for people suffering from the dangerous psychological problem where they identify as neoconservatives.

Then again, I'd also be all for neoconservatives being administered lethal doses of heroin. Or any lethal substance. In fact, they should just be strapped to the same machines used for capitol punishment, really.
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Now that's insensitive...
 
how low do you have to be to want to continue people's suffering so that the lie about illegal drugs always being dangerous isnt exposed
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That's soaring the hights when you consider the average politician. Their idea of low is so low that some people refuse to acknowledge that people could become that degraded.

Put some politicians in a position of being in fear of their life, seeing their friends die in terrible ways, or having to pick up the pieces of bodies from explosions and see how many are opposed to a therapy that works then.

Never trust a politician who advocates war if they've never experienced what that entails in the first place (come back Paddy Ashdown - a former Lib-Dem leader who had been in the SAS, but was for the pacifist approach if possible)
 
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