MDMA Approved for troops

I wonder if this will actually work. Isn't it possible that it may have a negative effect on some patients instead of a positive one. I know that I like to be in a good set of mind and not have any personal issues going on when I take drugs.

What if the heightened empathy they feel for their past victims whilst on the drug makes them feel more traumatised? Not everyone has a positive reaction to MDMA and I think people who have such big issues with themselves might easily have a bad reaction.

Thoughts?
 
it's almost impossible to have a bad trip on mdma alone. i don't see how it can be traumatizing for anyone unless they OD on it or something.
 
I don't know if a approve of this... I mean if one goes to the army volunteeringly, one should be ready to live with the consequenses, nodoby's going to give MDMA to the Iraqis, to the families of those they've killed...
It would be a different matter if one was forced to go to the army (as it was in Vietnam for instance)
 
wow its kinda depressing that MDMA is closer to being legal in this fucking country than weed is. dont get me wrong i am totally against prohibition of all drugs but still to think that in 20 years you could get E legally and not weed is pretty fucking stupid
 
I don't know if a approve of this... I mean if one goes to the army volunteeringly, one should be ready to live with the consequenses, nodoby's going to give MDMA to the Iraqis, to the families of those they've killed...
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I don't see why you wouldn't recognize the value or purpose in treating psychological wounds the same way physical wounds are treated.

Plus, I think this benefits society as a whole in addition to just the individual soldier. Who wants to have thousands of shell-shocked ex-marines with PTSD come home and act like psychopaths for the rest of their lives? Maybe this therapy can help them move on with their lives after the war.

If these studies have positive results and the military actually starts to use MDMA therapy regularly, just think of the implications this will have for MDMA and also for soldiers who are traumatized by war.
 
wow, i never thought i'd see something like this approved in the states. good news, hope the results are promising!
 
I hope it turns out for the best. But I have to agree with Beatlebot. Seems like there is a potential for them to empathise more with victims of their actions. Maybe the temporary rise in the serotonin following taking the MDMA would allow them to release pent up emotions but what about the following come-downs when their levels drop? Many MDMA users suffer severe depression (especially if over-used). Seems like the results could go either way.

But the important thing is that they are at least considering and testing positive effects of MDMA. I see this a positive step towards stopping the villianization of drugs. Not all are created equal and some have a huge potential to help not harm when used properly (and maybe if they were regulated for standards).
 
cliffchuff said:
More importantly, research is being done into giving teens ecstasy to moniter if it can prevent them even joining the army in the first place..
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Now THAT was funny.

"I wonder if this will actually work. Isn't it possible that it may have a negative effect on some patients instead of a positive one. I know that I like to be in a good set of mind and not have any personal issues going on when I take drugs.

What if the heightened empathy they feel for their past victims whilst on the drug makes them feel more traumatised? Not everyone has a positive reaction to MDMA and I think people who have such big issues with themselves might easily have a bad reaction."

True, but this is the same way with any substance. Not everyone will react well, but I would predict that the majority of soldiers could greatly be helped by the therapy.
 
Emericana said:
wow its kinda depressing that MDMA is closer to being legal in this fucking country than weed is. dont get me wrong i am totally against prohibition of all drugs but still to think that in 20 years you could get E legally and not weed is pretty fucking stupid
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It is closer to becomging a Schedule II compound. If the environment regarding other schedule II drugs are "legal" I'd suggest that you look at the way in which methanphetamine is addressed. It is from from an ideal definition of legal.
 
honEbee said:
I hope it turns out for the best. But I have to agree with Beatlebot. Seems like there is a potential for them to empathise more with victims of their actions. Maybe the temporary rise in the serotonin following taking the MDMA would allow them to release pent up emotions but what about the following come-downs when their levels drop? Many MDMA users suffer severe depression (especially if over-used). Seems like the results could go either way.

But the important thing is that they are at least considering and testing positive effects of MDMA. I see this a positive step towards stopping the villianization of drugs. Not all are created equal and some have a huge potential to help not harm when used properly (and maybe if they were regulated for standards).
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I would like to point out that this is in research. Until there are cases where MDMA have been used in a therapeutic setting, we won't know.
 
Beatlebot said:
I wonder if this will actually work. Isn't it possible that it may have a negative effect on some patients instead of a positive one. I know that I like to be in a good set of mind and not have any personal issues going on when I take drugs.

What if the heightened empathy they feel for their past victims whilst on the drug makes them feel more traumatised? Not everyone has a positive reaction to MDMA and I think people who have such big issues with themselves might easily have a bad reaction.

Thoughts?
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I was thinking the exact same thing. I know that myself personally i have had to give up MDMA because of anxiety problems. This may not help everyone. Im just one example that not everyone feels love and happiness on MDMA. And what if someone does have a reverse reaction during a session. I dont think that the person would ever want to continue therapy because of a bad experience.

And another thing. How would these doctors be able to help someone who's having a reverse reaction to the drug? I know being the sober person at the party babysitting those who are having a bad experience theres nothing really that you can do for these people but try to comfort them and thats not enough.

I cant even begin to imagine what these soldiers would feel or think about themselves during a session like this. And to do it for 5-8 hrs at a time. Also what about the after effects? These people already have to be suffering from some type of depression. I really dont see the good in this at all. But i guess you have to weigh the pro's and con's in every trial.
 
what is this "reverse reaction" you speak of? did you abuse ecstasy by any chance(ie. doing it on a weekly basis or more, or taking more than 2-3 pills in one night). or perhaps you had a dirty pill and had a bad trip not a bad roll?

adverse physical reactions require medical attention to treat. psychologically i can't really imagine anyone having a bad reaction to mdma. and if they do, a little comfort and reassurance should be enough to talk someone out of a bad roll, but i don't even think such an experience is possible on pure mdma.

also, part of therapy might be to make the soldiers feel some remorse for the people they killed and make them regain some sense of humanity and value for human life. i think making them not feel anything about comitting murder, or making them feel good about having murdered a bunch of innocent people would do much more harm than having a soldier feel remorseful about his actions. therapy isn't all about feeling good. mdma helps one confront difficult or traumatic experiences within a positive emotional frame so that one can come to terms with the trauma. perhaps the mdma will help the soldiers come to terms with the fact that they did something wrong rather than just suppressing their conscience and believing that they're a bunch of heros or patriots, and that all of their victims deserved to die.
 
Hmmm . . . . .I know that my MDMA use has left me axious and overwhelmed somtimes. This is because i've taken most doses at raves and parties. Everytime I hear a song that reminds me of rolling, I just get overwhelmed, it's good and bad.

Now i'm wondering if having to relive those post traumatic stressful events by talking to a therapist while under the influence of MDMA will make the soldiers really more anxious and overwhelmed or not.
 
thursday said:
what is this "reverse reaction" you speak of? did you abuse ecstasy by any chance(ie. doing it on a weekly basis or more, or taking more than 2-3 pills in one night). or perhaps you had a dirty pill and had a bad trip not a bad roll?
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I have never abused ecstacy. I used to roll maybe 3-4 times a year. I never ate a pill that wasn't tested right in front of my face. I care about myself more than that. I never suffered from anxiety until i went through some rough times. I.E. family deaths, depression, moving, and a divorce. My present anxiety prevents me from being able to roll. As soon as i feel myself coming up its all down hill from there. After the 3rd time of this occurring i decided it was time for me to quit.

This reverse reaction i speak of is, while coming...throwing up, a tight chest *feeling as if im suffocating*, shaking uncontrobly, sweating, feeling faint, and having an over whelming scary feeling. And i know that my anxiety plays a part in this. I know many people whos anxiety plays a part in them having problems enjoying MDMA.

The point i was trying to get out was, i think that if these soliders are that mentally disturbed to try this that maybe it may not turn out as they expect it to. But then again it could work wonders. No one knows until it is tried. Hopefully it will help more people than doing harm.
 
Beatlebot said:
I wonder if this will actually work. Isn't it possible that it may have a negative effect on some patients instead of a positive one. I know that I like to be in a good set of mind and not have any personal issues going on when I take drugs.

What if the heightened empathy they feel for their past victims whilst on the drug makes them feel more traumatised? Not everyone has a positive reaction to MDMA and I think people who have such big issues with themselves might easily have a bad reaction.

Thoughts?
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Its a possibilility.....But u must also understand that there are trained psychologist who walk each person thru the whole ordeal....And im willing to bet most of those soldiers have never touched MDMA....They are putty to the therapist.....The therapist (esp w/ that high of a dosage) has all the power to bring them wherever they need to go....

I really hope this works for the better...I truely believe that MDMA can be a very powerful psychological tool....

Also u must understand that this isnt just some "black market" mdma w/ other unknown substances....that all of us have experienced

This is 100% pure pharmaceutical grade MDMA.....In other words.....Thats some goooood shit!!=D
 
Spooky Mulder said:
Hmmm . . . . .I know that my MDMA use has left me axious and overwhelmed somtimes. This is because i've taken most doses at raves and parties. Everytime I hear a song that reminds me of rolling, I just get overwhelmed, it's good and bad.

Now i'm wondering if having to relive those post traumatic stressful events by talking to a therapist while under the influence of MDMA will make the soldiers really more anxious and overwhelmed or not.
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But u abused ecstacy....not to mention u took black market ecstasy....which most prob had other substances that contributed to overhwheled feeling....

Ecstasy and MDMA arent exactly the same thing.....Ecsatacy is made in "underground" labs and many of the key ingredients are skipped and /or subbed for less diserable substances in order to not get caught or save money.....

This trial is using 100% pur MDMA......made w/ all the orig ingredients.....Many of the reported side effects most abusers report are from crap pills......I imgine the side effects w/ this caliber of MDMA are very minimal.....Not to mention the patients will be offered this treatment only once....
 
Ok hypnotik, so, you believe that a dose of caffeine and mdma or meth and mdma or ephedrine and mdma pills are resulting from my overwhelming ecstasy experiences? I've never really had any bad mdma experiences, maybe the MDA trip that I had, (one of the first batches of those damn sunflowers....mmmmmm). But i've had very intense experiences while under the influence of mdma which leave me a bit overwhelmed by feelings after.

Like, I will get overwhelmed by good feelings, good feelings I associate with rolling and raves and music and such. Now caffeine, ephedrine, amphetamines, and other drugs like dxm that is found often in pills do not give me this overwhelming feeling alone. I've tripped on many psychedelics too, common ones and rc's. I don't associate any overwhelming feelings with psychedelics either.

It's mainly MDMA and MDxx drugs. They just create feeelings that are too intense for me I guess. I get overwhelmed with how good I feel. Now I see how I can get some bad pills with stimulants which would create a high-anxiety mdma experience and leave me a bit traumatised, change the nature of my MDMA trip.............buttttttt I think it's the MDMA alone that makes me feel overwhelmed.

Define abuse also . . . .
 
caffeine and ephedrine aren't likely to make you bad trip, but some research chemicals can. there are a lot of pills out there that are laced with research chems and it's a lot easier to bad trip off of those drugs than to have a bad roll imho.
 
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