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MDMA absorption rates by routes of administration

in your cooch

Not sure about sticking it in your cooch I would think it would hurt more. I also think that the normal bacteria in the vagina produce lactic acid, rendering the whole place acidic. So prolly would not be a good place put it.
 
Re: Re: You're all wrong

Do not put pills in your vagina. It won't be absorbed and will probably become painful since the vagina is very sensitive to things like that. Possibly could also result in an infection.

tathra said:
yes unmetabolized aphetamines will be reabsorbed in the bladder rather than being excreted if the bladder is more alkaline; acidic would cause the opposite.

Are you sure you mean bladder Tathra? I thought nothing could be reabsorbed back into the body once it was in the bladder, since if it could you'd reabsorb all the toxics you've jsut removed from your blood. The kidneys are the last filtration system before being excreted and they dump all the soluble crap from your blood into the bladder.
At least thats what I remember from GCSE Biology, it was 4 years ago so I could be way off :\
 
from this thread

Ok the crux of this message is the fact that acidification of the urine enhances excretion. The converse is also true..alkanilizing the urine decreases excretion of the amphetamines!!! How this works is that when the drug goes from the bloodstream thru the kidneys and then into the bladder there is still a large amount of unchanged drug in the urine. The chemistry is complicated but in the end what happens is that if the urine in the bladder(and the rug) is more basic (alkaline) the drug tends to be reabsorbed through the bladder walls. (and if the urine is acid it is excreted w/o being resorbed)


could be wrong though, i'm having trouble finding good terms to use for a search on pubmed for verification more than just word of mouth
 
Sharfting, snorting, dropping chewing etc.etc. - they're all good. The reason it hits faster and with more strength when shafting or snorting is because it his the vesicles and membranes faster in these regions therefor absorbing into your bloodstream faster!8o
 
this may be a stupid question, but reading one of the first posts makes a mention of 2/3 passing through your urine unused. does this mean your urine could be drank for 2/3 the effect of a pill?
 
PULS8R said:
plugging is one thing...



but, I don't even wana go there.

yeah yeah i know, just a hypothetical question. I couldn't bring myself to do it, but actually urine is sterile when it just comes out, so it wouldn't actually be germy or anything. There are also people that drink their own piss for the vitamins or whatnot, nasty i know,...
 
Changes in body pH and how this affects drug absorption, distribution and elimination

PLEASE NOTE:
  • Any increase in absorption rates and/or lengthening the elimination of MDMA also increases toxicity, as plasma levels peak higher and/or remain high for longer
  • Alkalizing carries potential health risks which can be life threatening. Don't over-do it

Stomach

The stomach isn't the best suited medium for absorption normally, but it is equipped to enable a protonatable molecule like MDMA to be reasonably well absorbed via passive diffusion.

The acid salt (protonated) form of MDMA reacts in the presence of an alkali to produce the freebase form which is almost completely unabsorbed in the stomach, duodenum or colon. Therefore, if intending to take an alkalizer to increase stomach pH, it is important to make sure all of this has absorbed/ reacted before introducing the MDMA. Wait a good 5 minutes or so.

Personally, I would avoid aluminium based antacids if possible as recent experience has indicated that the tendency for aluminium ions to form complexes with amines does adversely affect absorption with MDMA.

If you took enough of an alkalizer such as bicarb of soda, you would find that within about 5-10 mins your blood plasma then your urine will also be alkalized.


Urine

As tathra mentioned, for this example the kidneys can be thought of as a long tubule, with the membrane of the tube wall able to reabsorb certain ionic species back into the bloodstream. As also described, MDMA once in the body is a molecule able to change its physical properties (bio-availability/ ionic form) in either an acid or an alkali environment.

The normal pH of the urine means a mixture of some protonated and some non-protonated MDMA exists in this environment. The protonated form is eliminated and the non- protonated MDMA is reabsorbed by charge transfer, back into the blood stream through what is effectively a "transparent" tubule wall. The chemistry is a wee bit complex, mainly because there are so many controlling factors and ionic species concentrations which are normally strictly maintained (homeostasis). But it suffices to know that any change in urinary pH may place extra load on the kidneys and bladder, already under strain from the vasco-constrictive nature of the drug.

Plasma

This is the hardest to fully describe without pages of diagrams and texts, but it suffices to say that any alteration to pH in the stomach will also be reflected in a similar change in pH in the blood plasma and urine. How this is re-adjusted depends on how severe this change is.

How the drug is affected when plasma pH is changed depends upon many factors involved with the distribution properties of the drug. Being both hydrophilic (water loving) and able to form protein conjugates, MDMA is quickly distributed and redistributed throughout the body once in the blood stream.

Severe changes in pH in various areas of the body may have drastic outcomes. Plasma pH can withstand some quite large acidic influences as buffers prevent any serious fluctuations. If we did not have pH buffers in our blood, a drink of coke would kill you in seconds! But plasma pH cannot tolerate large increases in alkalinity. This is why IV users must be careful that any cut won't dramatically alter pH of the drug in solution.

Caution should always be advised if considering upsetting normal body function in this manner. Learn and understand the delicate nature of the system you are tampering with first.


Poking and Snorting

In relation to routes of administration and amounts absorbed; besides the normal bio-regulating factors involved, the form of the MDMA must also be considered. Insufflations of pure MDMA crystal may result in a similar amount being absorbed to that reported with amphetamine when snorted (see link below) But the variety of different binders and excipients used in pills makes this impossible to practically determine IMO, unless the MDMA in tablets is first extracted using an A/B recrystallization. Insoluble binders do not provide the perfect medium for absorption by along way. Think about clogging your nose up with chalk before a line of crystal.

The bioavailability of intranasal and smoked methamphetamine

Plugging has it's advantages and disadvantages. From a health perspective, providing it wasn't done on a regular basis, plugging is probably the safest form of alternative administration. Just remember to use lube, and resist any urge to defecate for at least 30 mins....8(
 
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i prefer to crush pills up, put the powder in empty pill capsules and swallow. perhaps the capsule wont dissolve until it is in the upper intestine? dont know. no tests done.
 
personally when i have rolled i found it best to crush the pill. then take the poweder put it on a folded piece of paper. then put some water in my mouth. then dump the powder in and swallow.
 
Another question on plugging:
do must people crush the pill up and put it in a capsule before plugging?
A mate said he plugged a whole pill and he didnt come up for 2.5 hours coz the pill was too hard...
 
Depending upon the tablet formulation (binders etc used) it may be very slow to absorb if inserted whole. Grinding in a mortar and pestle is best, then inserted via a gel cap and lube. Expect the non-soluble materials to be visible when you next defecate.
 
Roflol.. soo nasty, ur going to a rave, plug your E, roll, dance, meet a girl, dance some and then she smells at your finger ;)
 
Well, I would hope common sense would let one know that washing their hands is vital after such an event .

Plugging is the way to go tho...aside from all the supposed scientific crap, trial and error is the way right? I've tried it all and plugging is the best. I don't need a reason, I just go with the way I feel, and I feel pretty damn good about thirty minutes after having a finger up my ass. :)
 
i like drugs

i've been skatin (rollin) for 3 1/2 yrs now and every time except this last time (2 1/2 wks ago) i've eaten my tabs. Last time I crushed one up and stuck it in an empty gel cap and plugged it and ate another half, then a half hour later ate another hole tab. They were okay tabs so I rolled my @$$ off and I'd have to say that pluggin it was an excellent route of administration. not at all as uncomfortable as people make it out to be. You just gotta know what you're doin. I'm not gonna plug every single tab but maybe at least one from now on being that I gotta have more than one to get off (crackhead) lol
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