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Marijuana culture. ("420")

have you smoked with a family member?

  • Yes

    Votes: 341 67.7%

  • No, my family sucks

    Votes: 163 32.3%
  • Total voters
    504
That's irritating. I never understood why people won't smoke alone?

It's one thing to do it for the effect, but what I was getting at (among other things) is that some people use the weed to define themselves and then wonder why weedsmokers get a bad reputation and have all these supposed "stereotypes". They're there for a reason, like I said, someone just didn't pull some card out of a hat stating how a pothead will be viewed in society.

Stereotypes are usually not 100% right, but there's a great deal of fact to them. :)
 
"All I said was that certain people, especially the overly zealous neo-hippies are going against mainstream society simply for that reason."

Thats called orientalism. You try to understand another culture through your cultural standards. In other words how do you know until you are one? You don't and cant, guesses are your only option, no matter how informed you think you are.

And i think it is good to go against the grain for any reason, this keeps people in check and allows for a constant examination of a cultures decisions among many other things which i do not feel like getting into.


This just reminds me of the beginning of the caucasian man's first exploits into the social sciences, particularly anthropology and sociology.


"Does one always have to be in a social subculture? I'd consider myself an American. I'm not a gangster, a hippie, a raver, etc?"

No one has to do anything. Culture is not a choice, you are born into it and integrate into it further as you grow, one way or another, whether or not you are aware of it. That being said one word labels cannot accurately describe a single person that has ever existed.


"Can't I just be normal?"

You are normal for the majority of your life. If you think you are abnormal, quit acting strangely and conduct yourself in your usual fashion.

I am an advocate for acting strangely though; but that is a whole other topic.
 
center said:
I seriously don't mind.

The_Idler, what kind of subgroup are you considered?

Scene kid? Poseur extraordinaire? Tosser5000?
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i seriously seriously hate scene kids and posers.
my school is fucking full of them

i am considered (by myself) to be none.
i like all music, i wear clothes that people would call unusual, smart, old fashioned, mature, expensive, etc.
i have been known (in the past) to wear baggy jeans and a hoody.
i have also been known to wear a tracksuit and Tn cap.
also orange trousers and a lab coat, fishing hat and suglasses.
what the fuck do you call that, average american?

other people consider me to be totally fucking indescribable.
in the street i have had chavs calling me a greebo.
ive had pikeys calling me an emo (while wearing a tracksuit o.O)
and scene kids calling me a chav.
and most people thinking i am more like an individual adult, than some child, who needs a social group, with a set definition, for some kind of predetermined identity and set of actions to perform.

You?
Oh you said.
You're the same as everyone else.
 
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Good points.

I'm all for acting like myself. If that's seen as strange, too fucking bad. I'm the only one who has to live with myself.

Certain people get involved with a certain clique of people who have certain beliefs/common qualities. I guess "cliqueyism" works better than culture?

Well I claimed to have no general culture besides American that I identify with, like certain groups.

I'm not going to sit and nit-pick with your ass.

What's a chav?
 
If anybody tries to belong to a group because of a substance you may (ab)use, execute yourself. Even when I was smoking pot I never got to be friends with fellow pot smokers. It's very rare I meet somebody who is true to themselves.

The whole smoking alone for the effects is a grey area. For me, the rare cases when I do smoke, I smoke alone. It used to be fun to get stoned with a group of people.. then I coudn't stand how everybody tried to be the same.

I myself, I am no subgroup. I have no title or no words that could express who I am and how I act. I'm a crack smoking, booze drinking, party animal, If I had to use words. Otherwise, i'm just me.
 
Student said:
"All I said was that certain people, especially the overly zealous neo-hippies are going against mainstream society simply for that reason."

Thats called orientalism. You try to understand another culture through your cultural standards. In other words how do you know until you are one? You don't and cant, guesses are your only option, no matter how informed you think you are.

And i think it is good to go against the grain for any reason, this keeps people in check and allows for a constant examination of a cultures decisions among many other things which i do not feel like getting into.


This just reminds me of the beginning of the caucasian man's first exploits into the social sciences, particularly anthropology and sociology.


"Does one always have to be in a social subculture? I'd consider myself an American. I'm not a gangster, a hippie, a raver, etc?"

No one has to do anything. Culture is not a choice, you are born into it and integrate into it further as you grow, one way or another, whether or not you are aware of it. That being said one word labels cannot accurately describe a single person that has ever existed.


"Can't I just be normal?"

You are normal for the majority of your life. If you think you are abnormal, quit acting strangely and conduct yourself in your usual fashion.

I am an advocate for acting strangely though; but that is a whole other topic.
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you sound like a sociologist heheh, but youre right.
 
Great post, great thread center. I agree with all of it, particularly about people trying to seem cool because they can sing along with Bob Marley yet don't know shit about reggae like every other stoner.

I also agree with that "LSD expanding your mind" as bullshit too. No you're not, you're just tripping balls, go read some Ayn Rand and that'll really blow your mind. If you think LSD would blow your mind, Ayn Rand takes it to a whole other level.

i like all music
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Sure you do, just like everyone who says the same thing 8)
 
Haha, alright fashion police. I acutally concur about the part of trying to show off that you abuse something. Totally not cool, but you knocked a lot of shit in that rant of yours.

So you get the hater card. Don't take me too seriously, bra.
 
I found the "stoner" types to be much much more prevalent when I was younger--especially in high school there were always a good lot of them. I wouldn't have called them "cool", but they were usually harmless and jovial enough sorts. Usually, its just a way to fill time and make life more exciting. Gotta hide it from mom and dad. Are my eyes red, bro? etc etc etc.

Now that I'm older, I'm finding weed to be more like tobacco. Some people smoke it, some don't. Those who do aren't necessarily "proud" of the fact they do. They just do it because it suits their nature and they like their life better with it than without it.

And center, while this certainly isn't a personal attack, I gotta say man, you should really chill out. Let people live how they want to live. Who knows, maybe there's someone out there talking shit about you because you think you're "cool" for some aspect of your personality that they think is totally lame. Bottom line is, there's no such thing as "cool", and what's "cool" is completely transient and impermanent and can change on a day to day basis.
 
What a ridiculous post, Center. Sure, its lame to be a poser in ANY culture, but you actually think that potheads choose to be the way they are!

Every stoner and hippie I know is the way they are because they were born that way. I dressed like a pothead and believed in peace, respect, and good deeds well before i ever tried pot or acid. At the same time, the biggest stoners i know wear dockers and polos.

Center, you're basically against people being themselves. How about you stop bitching about people making fashion statements or, *GASP*, trying their damned best to just be themselves as weird as they may/may not be.

Your post is seemingly about stoner posers, but what its really about is you just dot like a certain group of people. Let people be who they are.

Since I believe that being oneself is one of the most important things in life, I say with emphasis: SUCK ONE, DUUUUUUDER.

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I agree with center on the whole cliche stoner bro. But for those bashin on LSD saying it's not enlightening or any of that... well you're right, it's only a chemical. Chemicals themselves can't be "enlightening", however that chemical, like you said, changes the way your brain thinks. It let's your brain see things from a completely new perspective. I'm not saying you should act on every random thought that goes through your head when tripping. But in a world like this where everyone is conditioned to think the way someone else wants you think, it's refreshing to think about things in a different way...even if it is just because you ingested a chemical. You can say what you want but I know that some of the trips I've had were some of the most important points in my life, and yeah, a lot of my trips were just pure fun with no deeper meaning. Either way I'm a fan of that chemical.
 
dunwich said:
but you actually think that potheads choose to be the way they are!

Every stoner and hippie I know is the way they are because they were born that way. I dressed like a pothead and believed in peace, respect, and good deeds well before i ever tried pot or acid.
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Yes, you're responsible for induldging in chemical use.

If stoners and hippies were born like that, and it's merely genetic and wasn't influenced by drugs...why, oh, why oh why oh why, do most of them infact smoke pot?

You sound a tad silly. Stop trying to defend this dying subculture.
 
I look like an English or Science professor, and noone would have the slightest idea that I've been a stoner and a tripper forever-nor do I want to project that...I have a peeve (albeit a humorous one), of any 'style-type', for example a "Goth kid", all pierced and tatted and mascaraed, and wearin the black duster and looking like the Grim freakin reaper from Hell, and you look at them (just to take it all in) and they say "What are you lookin at?"...it's all the age,,,once you venture into your twenties, not many tend to emulate a standard of dress that conforms to any particualr group (at least I would hope not)...I think your focusing on an immature faction of the popualtion. So have you gotten the knot out of your panties yet Center?
 
Actually I've got some sand in my vagina, still. It seems like the people I was addressing on this board, tend to be that immature fraction.
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
Sure you do, just like everyone who says the same thing 8)
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no, wanker, not like everyone else.

I'm not stupid


Oh..

8)
 
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Nice flames, apparently that's all you do to people who think anything different from you. You're classy!

It's dumb when people say they listen to all music, and people who say that are only saying it for one reason: To make themselves look cool.

No one listens to all types of music, and if you say that, you not only are trying to look cool under false pretense, you are showing how ignorant you are of music. There are so many different types of music, ie art, that is out there.

I'd bet my bottom dollar you couldn't recognize the origins of Hardcore Music in Black Metal as in Burzum, Bathory, Venom, or of Contemporary Metal and Hard Rock from King Diamond. Maybe you do, but do you know the pioneering of mainstream contemporary trance by the advent of the internet pushing Paul Oakenfold, Paul Van Dyk, Armin Van Buuren to recent fame? Would you know that KISS copied their image from Alice Cooper, that rap came from African origins, or the influences of The Beatles?

To say you listen to all types of music simply shows a profound ignorance of the whole art itself.

Chemicals themselves can't be "enlightening", however that chemical, like you said, changes the way your brain thinks. It let's your brain see things from a completely new perspective.
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There tends to be an elitism about psychonauts that is not found in users of other drugs. They proclaim enlightenment and all sorts of, quite frankly, bullshit, that comes only from using their drug, MDMA, LSD, ketamine, et cetera. Psychedelic drug use doesn't do much to alter your mind in a way that couldn't be done in other ways, and I think that people who do claim altered perspectives from drug use had predispositions to change their perspective beforehand.

I mean really, what useful things has anyone gleaned from psychedelic drug use? Now, I'm not knocking their power, I personally have tripped acid hundreds of times. If you can withstand a strong acid trip, you can take anything that the week's doledrums can throw at you. But the idea that somehow you got insights that can't be ahieved any other way is extremely myopic, which, I think, perfectly describes psychonauts in general.
 
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