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Marijuana culture. ("420")

have you smoked with a family member?

  • Yes

    Votes: 341 67.7%
  • No, my family sucks

    Votes: 163 32.3%

  • Total voters
    504
I was thinking...

Why do certain people think it's cool to identify yourself with a certain social subgroup merely because of a common substance you put in your body?

I can understand at the time of use of the drug...but the people who actually conform to the stereotype on a regular day to day basis and adapt their lifestyle to it , merely because it's cool. I say this mainly in reference to potheads , the "420 culture" surrounding the drug is amazing- you can't go anywhere without seeing a kid that's wearing a potleaf on their beanie, which by the way, makes you look about as cool as used VTECH.

It all goes back to glorifying the "420" pseudo-culture which many people find to be in style. Newsflash: it's not 'cool' to purposely go against the grain of normal society just to appear to be different. People who do this are compensating for the lack of ability to gratify oneself in other ways than becoming part of a seemingly "cool crowd" because they smoke a plant. It's not in style to have red eyes that are half shut-- I hate silly kids walking around parading the fact they are stoned by shutting their eyes to slits on purpose. Last time I checked, it's not in fashion this season, and you look like an attention seeker. It screams , "look at me!". I've got a nice plan if you want to attract some REAL positive attention:

*Wash your hair
*Get a haircut (we aren't in the 70s anymore, and you're not Jesus)
*Stop drawing potleafs on your backpack, merely so people will recognize you're a stoner and supposedly are automatically cool. (hint: you're more cool without the backpack in that case.)


Why do you think marijuana has the stereotypes associated with it? You think "they" pulled them out of a hat? Yeah. Right. The "Man" will do anything within it's reach of the "system" to stop you from becoming enlightened smoking Jah's beautiful herb. Keep thinking pot's harmless. Keep thinking the famous phrase..."legalize it".

Oh, another point- the majority of people in America who have dreadlocks have no idea about the culture behind the style-- and do it merely because of guess who? Conformist, overly zealous and meaningless-ly rebellious hippies. They're conforming to them! Weren't hippies originally supposed to stand out because of their righteous beliefs (in eyes of society, not saying that was their purpose)? Look what you're doing, silly pothead, you're conforming to an already conformed pseudo-culture.


It might of been cool if you were one of the first hippies in America, really preaching that lovey dovey bullshit that essentially got everyone nowhere, and marked the beginning of a bad view (of normal, behaving society) on drug users.

It's thanks to assholes like you that make drug users have negative stereotypes. If you really want to stand out, do it by actually having some real beliefs. Don't try to stand out, just because it's cool to be some neo-hippy of the millenium, smoking your weed and listening to Sublime in a basement while quoting Timothy Leary and lines from Fear and Loathing. You know, I can guarantee that half of the people IN THE WORLD wouldn't know a dime about Dr. Timothy Leary if LSD was never discovered/synthesized. (To address that issue-- you're not enlightened after/while/because of tripping, you're simply thinking illogically and thus your mind is "playing tricks on you". This whole concept with LSD enlightening the average user is a bunch of bullshit, and the risks are deemed to outweigh the positives. Latent psychosis is generally without symptom until it's rampant. Thousands of doctors who went to school to learn about this material would disagree that the risk of triggering mental illness at a earlier date than "nature intended" (that is-- if the dormant disorder EVER FULLY DEVELOPS). Oh yeah, and just because you read a few paragraphs on Erowid doesn't qualify you to have any merit if you're disagreeing with a professional in the field. Knowing a little about a lot is more valuable than knowing a lot about a little. Especially when you're not educated with tools to interpret the raw data. (IE-- ask yourself if you can even define a mood disorder before talking about LSD and psychosis, otherwise you sound like a sandbag!)


Summary:

Flaunting that you use drugs and talk the talk simply to 'fit in':

A. Pathetic.


I'm cool. I think using drugs is uncool. Shoot me because I'm right.
 
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I don't know man, being a stoner is pretty mainstream nowadays.....

I just smoke because i enjoy getting stoned,

Although like most young people i probably tried marijuana for the first time in part because it was "trendy" so to speak......

I think the whole "stoner" scene is usually just young people going through a phase...... I don't know a single person my age who i would say was a real "stoner" despite the fact most of my friends smoke on a daily basis....
 
Firstly, mainstream America does not habitually use marijuana, last time I checked. It's not the norm to be a weedhead.

I admit that weed is a great icebreaker, especially as an emerging adult in adolescence- however my curiousity to see what it would do to me was utmost on my mind.

Oh, you must be hanging out with some special 'strain' of stoners. I see them at my college all the time. The thing that inspired me to write this was seeing that hat with the pot leaf on it. I wanted to say something to him, but I figured he knew of how much a baffoon he looked like.
 
I was with you up until you started bashing on my own particular drugs of choice, and that lead me to reflect on how perhaps we should bash other people's drug of choice. But that being said, immature 420 duder-brah potheads annoy me. Also, I'm with you on drugs not making you cool. I grew out of that a long time ago but it's, like, fucking ubiquitous in society. Particularly with reference to pot. Now, with pot, it's mainly annoying, but all these little kids don't realize that drugs do not make you cool, as a matter of fact, drugs, particularly hard drugs, with remarkable frequency, fuck up the lives of anyone who does them with enough frequency to be derive any "coolness" factor from them. If you're not experiencing the deleterious consequences of the drugs you're doing, then you're probably not doing very many of them, and accordingly, if you try to be a big deal in the drug culture, you are a poseur. The hard drug culture is for the most part based around glamorized, ritualized self-destruction, i.e. "I'm going to try to nullify my life", placed into a social context. The blunt-smoking, beer-swilling youth of today aren't as far behind this as they think. They're desperately searching for belonging, and think they find it in smoking pot and in the shared rituals of teenage stonerdom (buying, selling, hiding from mom and dad, getting some 18+ to buy them stoags, bongs/21+ for beer, blah blah blah), and ultimately, it is just as nihilistic. The rare exception would be the people who are genuinely deriving some sort of insight or self-examination from marijuana. And even with psychedelics, which for me are powerful tools for spiritual self-exploration, most people's use is nihilistic as well. Let's all dose up and see shit isn't too far from let's all smoke up and giggle and, in the end, let's all shoot up and nod out. Because it's all the same isn't it? It USUALLY IS but it doesn't NEED TO BE. It's all in how people use the drugs. The drugs are secondary. It's all about your relationship with yourself, not your relationship with the drugs. How do you present yourself to straight society? To your fellow users? And ultimately, how do you view yourself in relation to your drug use? If your drug use is some kind of social identifier, then you're in it for the wrong reasons.

edit - tl;dr. i'm dope sick. ignore me.
 
Drugs don't make you cool, but creating entire threads to hate on them is totally uncool. Is your skin really that thin?
 
drugs are cool, but using drugs isnt always cool.



cool people use drugs because drugs are cool.

uncool people use drugs because drugs are cool,
and they want to be cool,
and they don't realise that using drugs is only cool,
if one is cool.




in the UK, we don't have many people who are into the whole stoner:
"my DoC is my social image" thing.....
because if one did that, everyone else would hate HATE one.

I know it is different in the USA though.... i have seen.
 
^ I dont know I'd say the Chavs consider smoking weed to be cool, similar to these 420 american guys.
 
I wasn't bashing every drug user that uses the drug, SomeKindaLove, basically like you did in better descriptive detail than myself--- the stoner-dude-brah sup man etc.

Whatever. I was just irritated because of that hat I saw on Wednesday and it's been driving me _NUTS_ O_O
 
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manutdfan said:
^ I dont know I'd say the Chavs consider smoking weed to be cool, similar to these 420 american guys.

yeah, but it's nowhere near to the definition of their identity.

more like mindless violence and binge drinking.
 
center said:
<you edited it out, so I will too>

I like you, center, and we've never had a problem, but you need to chill with that shit like, right now. I'm going to call you out publicly right now. You're doing a lot of shit-stirring this morning (it's morning for me anyhow). Negative energy like that never did anyone any good, even on the internets.
 
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I agree with you on much of what you said center; however i had this word popping into my head at every other sentence: ethnocentrism

I also noticed another word that consistently showed up in your little rant: cool

From what i understand, the goal for you is to be cool, and thusly it should be everyone else's goal and motivating factor *ethnocentrism*

I cannot defend the people you speak out against, but i can say that they are no better or worse than any other subculture, and are doing what they think is best and what they think will make them happy and that is all one can do really. These people are not you, and are not harming you....intentionally

One thing i do agree with is that some of these people stupidly give drugs and ideas and other people who like them a bad name in the eyes of society.

No matter what a person does there will be someone for and against what that person does, so whats the point? I would rather have a high population of wannabe hippies and retard stoners than a high population of scientologists or members of the religious right, wouldn't you?


"It might of been cool if you were one of the first hippies in America, really preaching that lovey dovey bullshit that essentially got everyone nowhere, and marked the beginning of a bad view (of normal, behaving society) on drug users."

The propaganda really has gotten to you huh? Loving your fellow people definitely is not the answer to this problem of not being able to get along with everyone huh? Watch out for communism too and make sure to cover your head under a desk in case of nuclear attack ok?
 
I appreciate you bringing humour to this extremely sensitive and serious issue.

All I said was that certain people, especially the overly zealous neo-hippies are going against mainstream society simply for that reason.

Does one always have to be in a social subculture? I'd consider myself an American. I'm not a gangster, a hippie, a raver, etc?

Can't I just be normal?
 
ok.
in my eyes, you are now an average american.
the same as everyone else.
enjoy your obscurity and negative social stereotypes associated with average americans.
 
I seriously don't mind.

The_Idler, what kind of subgroup are you considered?

Scene kid? Poseur extraordinaire? Tosser5000?
 
some good points center, but
i really dont give a shit about what other people wear or how they want to express themselves

but i get annoyed with the people who smoke weed, but would never think about smoking alone and knock people who do, i smoke weed to get high, not to fit in

also cant stand when you are high and someone notices and feels that need to annouce it to everyone
 
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