Magic Mushrooms/ Psilocybin in the UK

[swampdragon]

From what I've read, PF tek isn't that tricky.. though I guess as a beginner it's probably easier to buy the pre-sterilised tubs from ebay to save pissing around with pressure cookers.

 

[Bearlove]

Theoretically. I bought 10, injected with spores, only 3 turned fully white and none of those produced any mushrooms. £150 straight down the shitter. Actually more than £150 because the spore syringes cost an arm and a leg too.

PF tek is the way to go but even that takes some time and skill. Finding a place that isn't selling shite spores is very tricky, particularly in the UK.

I think the grow bag + spores are about 30£ atm - I have always had great results but preferred the smaller trays (I wish I could find my photos).

 

[Si Dread]

I find the effects of 4-AcO-DMT and mushrooms to be similar but very far from identical. Mushies contain several active components afaik (admittedly most in very small quantities and does vary with species). Alternatively they don't and is just psilocin and psilocybin. Been a while since I was big on mushies.

I've found in my many years of fungi fancying that two British varieties, the famous Liberty Caps & the less common Cyanescens . Both of these varietie for some reason contain a greater ratio of Baeocystin, a psychoactive chemical similar in structure to Psylocybin itself. I believe this chemical is responsible for the hilarious, bright, shiny, happy trips I almost always enjoy on these varaieties compared to the more powerful, over-powering & occassionaly darker trips on species like Cubensis.

I have sought synthesised Baeocystin for a decade or two!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baeocystin

& this seems as good a place as any to call for the government to legalise Psilocybin - http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/51485

 

[Sammy G]

Don't cubensis and cyanescens generally contain pretty similar levels of baeocystin (i.e. pretty low)?

Liberty caps definitely pack a lot of baeocystin though, that's for sure.

EDIT: I'm basing it on this chart, which puts cyanescens at 0.03 and cubensis at 0.025. Obviously mushrooms vary somewhat.

 

[Si Dread]

Don't cubensis and cyanescens generally contain pretty similar levels of baeocystin (i.e. pretty low)?

Liberty caps definitely pack a lot of baeocystin though, that's for sure.

EDIT: I'm basing it on this chart, which puts cyanescens at 0.03 and cubensis at 0.025.

Probably using North American Cyanescens though. I've seen data on British Cyanescens that differs. It suggested that both Libertys & Cyanescens had greater than usual balance of Baeocystin to Psilocybin, but I have no idea when or where I read that now. Long time ago!

 

[Sammy G]

I can't imagine the difference between North American cyanescens and their European counterparts could be large enough to give them anything like the baeocystin content of liberty caps though (0.36), can you?

We're talking a massive variation there if it's possible at all.

Maybe it's the high psilocin content of non-British varieties that's accounting for the different experiences? Certainly the baeocystin might make the difference with libs, but I can't see it with cyanescens. If anything they should feel closer to cubensis than they do to libs, based solely on psilocin / psilocybin content.

I'm inclined to believe there's a lot more to it.

 

[Si Dread]

If anything they should feel closer to cubensis than they do to libs, based solely on psilocin / psilocybin content.

I'm inclined to believe there's a lot more to it.

After something in the region of 25 years of experience with magic mushrooms of many varieties on too many ocassions to quantify, I'm inclined to believe what I've experienced personally.

Based on decades of personal experience I believe that British Cyansecens are without any question much closer in effect to Liberty Caps than ANY other mushroom of any species from anywhere in the world, with which I've experience.

My assumption that Beaocystin is the chemical behind these truly magical experiences is just that, an assumption. But as the active content of any psychedelic mushroom varies under which climate & conditions they grow, it's hardly a major stretch to imagine that, quite simply, the conditions, enviroment & climate in the UK produce a cyanescens mushroom the active constituents of which differ from the similar genus from abroad & are perhaps unsurprisingly similar to Liberty Caps growing under those same conditions.

I doubt there's much more to it.

 

[Sammy G]

After something in the region of 25 years of experience with magic mushrooms of many varieties on too many ocassions to quantify, I'm inclined to believe what I've experienced personally.

Based on decades of personal experience I believe that British Cyansecens are without any question much closer in effect to Liberty Caps than ANY other mushroom of any species from anywhere in the world, with which I've experience.

My assumption that Beaocystin is the chemical behind these truly magical experiences is just that, an assumption.

Fair enough. I'm just questioning your assumption by presenting data which would appear to contradict it. Which is what a discussion thread is for after all!

But as the active content of any psychedelic mushroom varies under which climate & conditions they grow, it's hardly a major stretch to imagine that, quite simply, the conditions, enviroment & climate in the UK produce a cyanescens mushroom the active constituents of which differ from the similar genus from abroad & are perhaps unsurprisingly similar to Liberty Caps growing under those same conditions.

The cyanescens in that table are European, by the way. I neglected to mention that before.

In order for cyanescens and semilanceata to be anywhere near each other in terms of active constituents (based on the data in the table), the UK / European semilanceata would need to have ten times less baeocystin, more than ten times the amount of psilocin and about 50% less psilocybin than the example given in the table.

I really think that's unlikely.

 

[Bearlove]

After something in the region of 25 years of experience with magic mushrooms of many varieties on too many ocassions to quantify, I'm inclined to believe what I've experienced personally.

Based on decades of personal experience I believe that British Cyansecens are without any question much closer in effect to Liberty Caps than ANY other mushroom of any species from anywhere in the world, with which I've experience.

My assumption that Beaocystin is the chemical behind these truly magical experiences is just that, an assumption. But as the active content of any psychedelic mushroom varies under which climate & conditions they grow, it's hardly a major stretch to imagine that, quite simply, the conditions, enviroment & climate in the UK produce a cyanescens mushroom the active constituents of which differ from the similar genus from abroad & are perhaps unsurprisingly similar to Liberty Caps growing under those same conditions.

I doubt there's much more to it.

What strains would you say are worth experimenting with for a new starter ?

For ease of growing and light trip then I would say Mexican for starters (expect to laugh at everything including yourself laughing)

Ecuadorian, Thai, Columbian, Amazonian,Cambodian are all pretty fun

B+ these - I used to have these with MDMA for clubbing and it was heavenly (mix with something a bit more visual and ...)

Blue Hawaiians - fresh I was utterly fucked

 

[Si Dread]

What strains would you say are worth experimenting with for a new starter ?

For ease of growing and light trip then I would say Mexican for starters (expect to laugh at everything including yourself laughing)

Ecuadorian, Thai, Columbian, Amazonian,Cambodian are all pretty fun

B+ these - I used to have these with MDMA for clubbing and it was heavenly (mix with something a bit more visual and ...)

Blue Hawaiians - fresh I was utterly fucked

The effects of psychedelics are so subjective, I guess it would depend upon what the new user might be seeking. I personally found most of the South American species a little heavy, a bit more introspective, a bit less social. This is just a generalistion. I guess if the new user sought personal insights, religious revelation or something like that, dosing carefully with these sorts might be successful.

If on the other hand the new user were to be in a party or social enviroment of some kind, then I'd recomend the more uplifting Cambodian, or of course, Cyanescens or Libertys themselves.

Again, the effects of psychedelic mushrooms are so variable & subjective that I'm very wary about "recomending" any particular species because there's simply no way of knowing how a new user is going to handle it.

 

[Bearlove]

The effects of psychedelics are so subjective, I guess it would depend upon what the new user might be seeking. I personally found most of the South American species a little heavy, a bit more introspective, a bit less social. This is just a generalistion. I guess if the new user sought personal insights, religious revelation or something like that, dosing carefully with these sorts might be successful.

If on the other hand the new user were to be in a party or social enviroment of some kind, then I'd recomend the more uplifting Cambodian, or of course, Cyanescens or Libertys themselves.

Again, the effects of psychedelic mushrooms are so variable & subjective that I'm very wary about "recomending" any particular species because there's simply no way of knowing how a new user is going to handle it.

OK. So if there was a new user, looking to experiment with Mushrooms and were looking for a fun, not heavy and controllable trip then from my experience the strain 'Mexican' is a great choice. Dose low, then if you want something a bit stronger work your way up the scale ? I know effects are subjective - your experienced with this particular substance - surely the point of posting is to share that knowledge a bit ?

 

[Si Dread]

Sure, didn't I just share my knowledge?

My advice with any new drug or new user is to dose low & work your way up. But with Psilocybin mushrooms you may not be able to do this on the same day, because each time you add to the previous dose, you are also counter-acting tolerance. So, if for instance a newbie has taken 1g-1.5g (low dose) & once they've establised he is dissapointed with the effects, it would be very tricky knowing how much more to add to increase the effect without going overboard. I've been in this position, constantly chasing the trip with low doses & effectively wasted mushrooms & failed to trip properly!

So my point is that, once a particular species is chosen, a certain dose is used, preferably one that should produce threshold effects, the new user who is unhappy or dissapointed with the results would be wise to leave it another week or two, before upping the dose & trying again.

Regardless of the genus of mushroom, suggesting the right dose for the right person, especially a newbie, is a tricky equation & not one I'm willing to commit to.

 

[Bearlove]

Sure, didn't I just share my knowledge?

Regardless of the genus of mushroom, suggesting the right dose for the right person, especially a newbie, is a tricky equation & not one I'm willing to commit to.

Sorry misunderstood your post

 

[Ismene]

I was never quite convinced about those "strains" that you could allegedly buy back in the days when fresh mushrooms were legal. I remember one supplier telling me that they were all the same strain - they just picked them a week apart so they looked different. It is basic marketing tho - sell the same product in a different wrapper.

 

[swampdragon]

Yeah, I've heard the same thing, that there's very little difference between cubensis strains.

 

[Bearlove]

I was never quite convinced about those "strains" that you could allegedly buy back in the days when fresh mushrooms were legal. I remember one supplier telling me that they were all the same strain - they just picked them a week apart so they looked different. It is basic marketing tho - sell the same product in a different wrapper.

If I could buy you a box of Mexican, a box of Thai and then a box of Hawaiins you would realize how wrong your post it.

 

[dan88]

I remember having Mexicans back in the day when you could buy them fresh, but since then I've only ever had libs... How do people reckon they compare to cubensis?

 

[monstanoodle]

I think even the name of the shroom can impact yr trip: I had some Mexicana when buyable and Mexican themes were everywhere!

The levels of Psilocybin n Psilocin (fuck spelling) will differ but all in all the trip should be the same = Eating Cubensis is much easier though! 8(

 

[Ismene]

If I could buy you a box of Mexican, a box of Thai and then a box of Hawaiins you would realize how wrong your post it.

I'm just telling you what the dutch guy who was actually supplying them said. And I bought kilos and kilos of "different" strains of cubensis and they all looked very similar.

Incidentally, I'm talking about the different strains of cubensis - "hawaiians" arn't a strain of cubensis as far as I'm aware. They definately wern't available from Holland in the UK legal period anyway.

I think even the name of the shroom can impact yr trip: I had some Mexicana when buyable and Mexican themes were everywhere!

Wouldn't that just be the placebomine tho monsta?

I remember having Mexicans back in the day when you could buy them fresh, but since then I've only ever had libs... How do people reckon they compare to cubensis?

You can't really tell any difference - if I dried and capsuled them and gave them to you either cubensis or libs you wouldn't be able to tell.

 

[swampdragon]

Butbut you can't really call placebomine when you're talking about psychedelics.. as a lot of the effects are influenced by variables such as mindset (including pre-conceived expectations due to strain), surely?

Hm. I know what I mean, anyway.