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[LSD Subthread] The Clean vs. Dirty Acid Debate (Part 2 - Archived)

funkee said:
I've had black & white tabs a few years ago. Odd yet acid-like; I always wondered about the dirty synth idea, and possibly ALD-52? Taste was very bitter, lasted around acid length, made two friends throw up. One tab was definately above threshold, yet 18 tabs proved not to be overwhelming for a friend of mine.

If you are from around New England/New York I'd be very careful with those tabs. I had been getting similar tabs and ended up in the hospital because I was wigging out. The drug tests there came up positive on both LSD and PCP. I'm not sure how PCP on a blotter works, so that could be a fake positive. The blotters were black and white, tasted very, very bitter, and they were a bit thicker than normal blotters.
 
^^ This was 3 and 1/2 years ago. I'd be very surprised if it was still around. They were normal thickness of a standard blotter.
 
My source is currently what I call "dirty", blotters taste bad and cause sickness in the tummy. I can say it's not DOx because I have tried DO{I,M,C} many times, and i just doubt it's any pheny because of the very tiny blotter size and strong effects (as strong as 6mg DOC (I am insensitive to DOC though) with a MUCH MUCH MUCH shorter duration).
 
fuck talking about dirty acid, what about that dirty AIR, that shit has GOT TO GO!~!!!!

or dirty plants, dirty hands, dirty feet!!!!
 
I pretty much agree with BeenHead and theWorldWithin on this one. Most ergotamine impurities in LSD aren't potent enough to display noticeable effects unless you take high doses.

In certain cases, this may not be true, but those cases are the exception rather than the rule.
 
vecktor said:
In my opinion the simple answer 1 kg = 10 million decent doses. = approx 4-6 kg ergotamine= stupid profit margin.
easy to hide easy to distribute and very cheap per dose.

I think it's a lot plainer than that. LSD was highly researched. Highly distributed. Highly publicized and up until it started to be made on the street was coming directly from the original manufacturer/inventor. Also think of the actual subjective effects. There's no reason why it should not have been that popular. Why is it popular now? I sure don't care about profit :) .

EDIT: Oh.. er... dirty acid, yeah my two cents. Don't like it. Never have. I mean "speedy acid" is acid. That is a normal effect. I think dirty acid is either normal acid or not-acid. Not-acid being DOx, 5-meo-amt, Bromo<-rarer than people want to think. The first two however are fairly prevalent. I would really expect that DOB, DOI, or 5-MeO-AMT are highly misrepresented as LSD in the majority of "dirty acid" cases.

PAX,
PL
 
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i have heard of people taking a mild sedative before dosing and it supposedly moderates a lot of the body-load effects that people are describing.
 
This is, indeed, the thread that will never die... and that is because there are some people who aren't as in-tune with the subtle details about an acid trip as others are. As nanobrain said earlier on, anyone who says there is no dirty acid has simply never done dirty acid. There is definitely such a thing as "acid" that affects the body, physiologically, differently than pure LSD-25 does... yet, is not some other random psychedelic drug.

I've personally always suspected that it has more to do with acid that has degraded as opposed to acid that was manufactured sloppily/incorrectly. But I'm no scientist, so what do I know. I'll tell you what I do know, though: I've personally experienced what is called "bad acid," on multiple occasions, when ultimately it was found out (either weeks or years later) that the acid that was making me feel that "way" was acid that I had stored improperly. Never happened with fresh vials, or vials properly stored in the freezer, etc.

I have commented on this in the past, in many threads here at Bluelight as well as in all the other psychedelic forums in Internetland... and the overwhelming concensus has always been "Oh it's just placebo, Church."

On a related note, I find it funny that things people of the scientific-method mindset can't explain are all lumped under the category of "placebo." People use that word so often it's going to lose meaning soon.

Anyway, I tried pulling up an old quote I found by Dr. Hoffman, but I can't access it. It was a quote by Dr Shulgin talking about how he figured that the presence of LSD metabolites in an LSD sample might possibly synergize with the actual LSD, even in microgram amounts, changing the effects of the "trip."

No one has ever tested this.
 
although I know what you mean church, and I have experienced "dirty" acid highs too, I think I can disagree with your theory. For example, I recently took 1,5 year old blotters that have been stored improperly (airtight, but in a warm place) which turned out to be nearly exactly as good as they used to be back then. Maybe 20% loss in potency, but that's it. Which means, I think dirty acid gets dirty in the manifacturing process and not afterwards.
 
willow11 said:
How can LSD have a different effect to LSD, unless its not LSD? What the fuck drugs have we been taking?

Because the effects of LSD are so wide, varied and random that there is no set, definite list of effects that LSD will have on you once you take it. IMO of course.
 
krazycrow said:
I have wondered about this subject a few times, I has lead me to think about substances and intentions that are put into them. If someone is making LSD in a mountain cabin with the intention of enlightening people and bringing love and peace in the world and the people who handle it and dispense it are on that same wave length and have the same intentions, would it affect people different then LSD made in a dirty warehouse in a city by a unemployed chemist/speed freak trying to turn a dollar? A lot of people think LSD-25 is LSD-25 but I think the crystals absorb energy on an invisible level. The same as when someone cooks a meal made with love it is a good meal and when someone cooks a meal with anger and hate it tastes like hell might even make you sick. That is just my theory, family doses have always been the best and cleanest I have ever eaten.

oh yes, and i do have me asbestos suit on. intention and vibrational charging contribute to / effect, IMNSHO ~50% of the subjective experience. DMT is a prime example of this, LSD is trickier so we hope the karmic filters from the CCCC prevent the majority of the weaselrati from getting through a bad synth. the charged acid....i wont go there
 
7zark7 said:
Because the effects of LSD are so wide, varied and random that there is no set, definite list of effects that LSD will have on you once you take it. IMO of course.

True. There's a VAST variation in effects between individual LSD trips - even from the same blotter. I think it's the most variable drug there is - a lot more variation in effects than psilocybin for example.

Anyway, I tried pulling up an old quote I found by Dr. Hoffman, but I can't access it. It was a quote by Dr Shulgin talking about how he figured that the presence of LSD metabolites in an LSD sample might possibly synergize with the actual LSD, even in microgram amounts, changing the effects of the "trip."


I dunno, Dr Hoffman says in "My problem child" than none of the other stereoisomers of LSD are active and Shulgin says they're also "completely inactive".

Whether anyone can tell that their LSD-25 is "different" because of the presence of a microscopic amount of an inactive steroisomer - I think we're in the same kind of area as people who claim to be able to tell the difference between cubensis strains. In fact I think the people who claim to be able to tell the difference between cubensis strains have more going for them than people who claim they can detect different LSD isomers.
 
blah son

I have had dirty acid, clean acid, DOB, DOC and DOi sold to me on blotter. The times I've had dirty acid I have to conclude would be from amber or silver, and most commonly people not keeping their acid in the fridge or not in the air or in a hot car on its way down from norcal....I've had amazing liquid vials become shit from heat and I kno some retards that left a sheet in the sun and it was shit aswell so im sure theres some dirty acid from so so xstals, but I would have to say most of it is probably from the cid being disintergrated because of poor care by the proprietor :D latez
 
The impurities & different ways of synthesizing might affect the general quality of the trip.. however it still would not be reasonable to say you got "dirty acid" just because you had more body load & nausea & psychosomatic symptoms than usual. It could be other factors. http://tripzine.com/listing.php?id=pit11

Nausea and knotted stomachs are commonly associated with the first stage of oral psychedelic ingestion, but not always. If the body is busy with other physical activity (like dancing, walking, or hiking) then the digestive unease will not seem as intense, but for some it will always be a problem. In traditional contexts the post ingestion period is usually spent chanting, meditating, singing, dancing, or in some other rhythmic musical exercise like the beating of drums or shaking of rattles. This helps to distract the mind from the stomach and keep the brain focused on the moment. It also helps to set the tone and tempo for the massive neurochemical event to come. The sickness is just the first stage of the journey, and even before it passes the trip may begin to creep in.

Physiologically there are early reactions to the ingestion of psychedelic amines which only seem to increase anxiety, such as an amphetamine-like rise in blood pressure and respiration. The vasoconstrictive effects of many psychedelics may make the limbs feel cold and the joints feel stiff, hence the onset of psychedelic "shivers." Since seratonin plays a very large role in mediating both digestion and blood pressure, these early symptoms clearly indicate that something is messing with the body's serotonergic systems, particularly TA (trace amine) and 5HT (seratonin) receptors in the peripheral nervous system and gut. Toxic response, nausea, high blood pressure, anxiety, increased respiration, shivers... these do not sound like the hallmarks of a fun night out. Indeed, Coming On and waiting to Come On are not pleasant moments, but this is the trial that all psychedelic initiates must go through: no pain, no gain. The simple dropping of LSD seems like nothing compared to the vile bitter brews of wild flora gulped down and chewed with vigor, then held-in against all inner revolt without the complete spewing forth of your guts. This is a significant rite of passage in some cultures, the make-or-break moment of shamanic training. Cleansing and purging is indeed a significant part of the psychedelic process, but we will get to that later in this section and again in the section on psychedelics and medicine.

Now there are ways to mediate the discomfort of Coming On, and again these are right out of the shamanic handbook. 1) Watch your diet the few days before you take the psychedelic. Don't eat meats or heavy meals on the day or two leading up to ingestion, and only eat lightly on the day you journey. Take this advice at your own risk. Diet plays an important role in how quickly the psychedelic molecule is absorbed into and metabolized by your body. An empty stomach and low-blood sugar will certainly lead to a pronounced amplification of the heavy somatic effects of psychedelics, so if you are looking for a powerful way to zonk yourself into the dreamtime lickety-split then fasting is the shamanic way to go. 2) Use biofeedback techniques, such as chanting and drumming and slow rhythmic breathing exercises to mediate the spikes in blood pressure and respiration (bone rattles and atonal drones anyone?). Yes, deep breathing and the rhythmic feedback of drumming, chanting, singing, or walking (at the correct tempo) will help to lower blood pressure, ease respiration, and keep the body's regulatory systems in harmony (excuse the pun

Though Coming On is filled with uneasy anticipation, it also typically gives way to frequent yawning and somatic heaviness as the drug first becomes active in the brain. These are the hallmarks of psychoactive amine interrupting action in the cortex, making the user feel like they're getting sleepy and want to lie down. This frequent yawning does not seem to apply as much if the user is engaged in physical activity while Coming On, such as dancing or walking. While the physiological usefulness of yawning is still under debate, it seems fairly clear that it aids in lowering cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) pressure and aids in CSF re-circulation through the brain (which are not physiologically necessary if you are up and active). Since seratonin also mediates states of wakefulness and sleepiness in the brain, this early-stage yawning and somatic heaviness may be the first indication of a disruption in serotonergic efficacy in the cortex, meaning that the psychedelic molecule has hit the brain.
 
Master-Thanks for posting that.

What's the best way to store cid if you can't put it in a freezer? Also is wrapping blotter in aluminum foil good or bad?
 
I would really expect that DOB, DOI, or 5-MeO-AMT are highly misrepresented as LSD in the majority of "dirty acid" cases.

This.


I never feel "dirty" when I take LSD....maybe I have good connects.

It would seem that even if LSD wasn't synthesized as good as it could be....it wouldn't be "dirty" enough to cause such harmful physical effects.

Seriously, LSD is LSD.

Btw people, lower doses of many DOx's are not that long in duration. I tripped for 8-12 hours the other day on a DOx.

It was bitter as fuck and took 2.5-3 hours to come on. It was 1 hit, don't know the potency.

So you see....DOx can last just as long as LSD. It's the higher doses that last longer.

What's funny about DOx is that "realllly" low doses of DOx are actually more unpleasent than normal-medium doses. Take it from me....and shulgin.

Go read shulgin's report, there are more side effects from lower doses. He even reportes feeling depressed on the same compound when it was a threshold dose, but felt amazingly euphoric and peaceful at medium-higher doses.

As with LSD of course even low doses of LSD tend to be more anxiety provoking and stimulating.... but LSD never feels dirty enough to complain about it on the forums.

You got DOxed....either that or you didn't go with the flow and you felt "edgy and dirty" because you had anxiety or something. Sorry to hear people.
 
i've never had anything like a bodyload..actually i usually can't even feel my body, like i'm flying or floating above my body. there have been a few times when i had an upset stomach the day-after i dropped, but that was because i over-exerted myself the previous night and didn't eat or drink enough fluids

the same applies to stimulants with me as well. as long as i'm healthy, there's no bodyload.. this means exercise, eating and sleeping regularly and taking vitamins daily

i've noticed certain vitamins, in particular- B vitamins, as well as some key amino acids like l-tyrosine have boosted my trips.. to the point of having a much brighter mood and even enhanced visuals

i tend to snack when i trip..fruits and nuts seem best
 
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