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Lysergamides [LSD Subthread] Risks & Dangers

phenyl1 said:
If you get LSD it is 100% safe there is no dose level that can kill you. Now you have the insane after 7 hits misconstrued. If you eat more then 7 hits of lsd at once you can be considered to be insane for the duration of the trip under the law. That is if each hit is over 200mcg a piece they say that because then you have eaten over 1mg of chemical which is allot. that dose not mean you will be insane after you come down in fact if you get clean lsd when you come down you will be as normal after some sleep as if you have never taken any at all. now me myself have pushed the limits and have some Permanente effects mild tracers and some times the carpet and floor moves like I am in a boat and it is rippling a little but you also have to keep in mind I have eaten over 25 different types of trips mostly Shulgans work some Nichols as well. But that is because I have eaten over 1000 hits of lsd in my life. I am not insane a little off but no where near insane. Last time I tripped lsd I ate over 25 hits in one three day weekend at DEMF and lots of x and doc and god only knows I can’t remember. All I know is I went to the festival with 140 hits of 2ce *snip* It was fun and I do it every year. hope this helps clear up the lsd thing you are only insane if you eat over 1000mcg or 1mg of pure lsd by law for the duration of the trip and no longer then that.

Peace,

Phenyl
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LOL I dunno what to say.
 
i've never had a real hallucination on lsd and i've dosed for a good week (5-6 days) straight without sleep... nor have i heard of such things -- at least not visually-speaking.. i have always just gotten too tired to really trip much anymore after the first couple days, tbh... regardless of dose. i guess my tolerance just shoots up faster than a lot of peoples' and it just starts to feel therapeutic, sometimes dull

some of my friends have described vivid flashing images in their minds while tripping, like feeling as if they had esp or telepathic powers etc.. but this isn't the same thing at all, obviously

maybe some people more easily dissociate on smaller doses than others, but even on high doses where things became completely foreign to me perception-wise, i was still able to function on a basic level in a public setting.. even if a bit catatonic at times, i knew what was going on outside my own reality to the point where i usually knew where i was after some thought

everyone is different tho..especially when it comes to psychs

when it comes to stims and a lot of psychiatric drugs tho, i have had a lot of true hallucinations on them.. but very rarely were they what i'd describe as recreational or enlightening :(

peace
 
therapture said:
Originally Posted by BiG StroOnZ
I believe evolution exists in every aspect of this world, except for man

This is truth. The fool part.
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lol... Read books boy:

Child of the Stars by Max H. Flint and Otto O. Binder Mankind

Ur of the Chaldees by Sir Leonard Woolley

Archaic Egypt by Professor W. B. Emery

Before Civilization by Colin Renfrew’s

Uriel’s Machine by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas

The Neanderthal Enigma by James Shreeve

:|
 
There was a hole there where this thread totally fits, though now as a veritable acid subthread.
 
Shambles said:
^ Sure it wasn't on DOx? ;)

D9: I completely agree that psyches in the common dose range are unlikely to cause true hallucinations (if at all) but that doesn't hold true if you're sleep deprived or have been hitting the stims too hard. It's a different situation but not so uncommon that it's not worth a mention when discussing the possible problems that can occur with LSD or other psyches.
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I am sure it wasn't DOx = P

Although one time I took DOI and saw some really vivid "cartoon characters" on the wall but this only happened with there was music "fueling the sensory experience". Once the music was off, the visuals stopped. This never happens for me on good LSD, music only changes the way the visuals assume but never takes them away when the music goes off.

Yes, these are the "warped" or "distorted" images you are already seeing.
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I see what you mean by that. One thing I can say again, is that you tend to see "true hallucinations" more often in the dark. The reasoning behind this is because when you are in the dark you're depriving yourself of sensory such as furnature, people, walls ect. so it's more dissociative and won't work on "objects of reality" that are already there.

One time like I said I was outside in the dark tripping on LSD and I definetly saw figures and "people" that weren't there. I saw a horsemen that was riding across the field in front of me and I was convinced for a second that it was a real person...but it was just an illusion. I believe it was because being in the dark alone was causing me to have a "darker" trip. It was great though, I had to laugh it off because it was quite scary = )
 
Shakti said:
IMO it's somewhat of a semantic debate whether 5-ht agonists can cause hallucinations or not. They can certainly cause vivid representations of things that don't exist in the material realm. They can propel you out of your body and construct fantastical universes. The difference between this and say tropane alkaloids or other 'deliriants' is that one commonly looses the ability to discern between the material realm (reality as most people call it, but don't count me amongst them) and realms and objects constructed from other sources of input. In other words you can't tell your hallucinations are hallucinations. If we define hallucinations as non-material objects that are indiscernible from material objects, then I would say 5-ht agonists do not cause hallucinations. If we define hallucinations as simply observed non-material objects, then 5-ht agonists can cause them.
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This is a very good argument. Something like Salvia, compared to a moderate doe of LSD or mushrooms, is so far away from each other. On the lsd/shrooms, I realize I am tripping and WHY, but I am still in touch with most of reality, while salvia takes me to a new place that has no connection to the real world, much less the fact I don't know I am tripping. It feels real (the salvia). I love shrooms, but they do not take you as deep into an alternate reality as salvia does.
 
I love shrooms, but they do not take you as deep into an alternate reality as salvia does.
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I tend to agree for the most part....

But one time I ate 4 grams of the strongest lab mushies I ever had. Took them in the dark alone.

Yea...this trip reminded me of salvia in more ways than one. first of all I forgot I even took mushrooms, the ego death was that intense. I was in another world altogether and transcended my body.

The only time it happened on mushrooms.

Try taking a high dose of mushrooms alone in the dark, I assure you that it's no laughing matter like salvia = ).
 
mrjackjones said:
I truely believe LSD to be the safest psychoactive substance known. Any notion that Acid causes psychological disorders is pure propaganda.

Most natural hallucinogens are safe in moderate doses, but there is something about LSD that makes me feel complete when I dose, even in high doses. Never once a bad trip. There have been a few difficult ones, but even then I come out of the experience feeling like the person I have always wanted to be.

Good medicine.
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well put
 
killo said:
I see what you mean by that. One thing I can say again, is that you tend to see "true hallucinations" more often in the dark. The reasoning behind this is because when you are in the dark you're depriving yourself of sensory such as furnature, people, walls ect. so it's more dissociative and won't work on "objects of reality" that are already there.

One time like I said I was outside in the dark tripping on LSD and I definetly saw figures and "people" that weren't there. I saw a horsemen that was riding across the field in front of me and I was convinced for a second that it was a real person...but it was just an illusion. I believe it was because being in the dark alone was causing me to have a "darker" trip. It was great though, I had to laugh it off because it was quite scary = )
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Ugh, ok first of all this post is pretty hard to follow in general, but I do get the jist of what you're saying here.
You mentioned "true hallucinations", but the actual definition of "hallucination" is perception without any stimuli at all, be it visual, audio, or otherwise.* Even when you're tripping in the dark you're still receiving small amounts of visual stimuli, which could be responsible for the distortions you're seeing during that experience.

*Just a sidenote, I actually do happen to believe that psychedelics are capable of real audio hallucinations.

Btw someone correct me if I'm wrong here on any of this :)
 
*Just a sidenote, I actually do happen to believe that psychedelics are capable of real audio hallucinations.
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Mushrooms have definetly caused me to hear things that are not there. I was hearing "insect noises" one time.

Maybe it was just my brain activity making noise and I was perceiving it as that.

Who knows.
 
^^Not sure, I've yet to breakthrough on DMT.

My get tells me we may never all agree on this, and we(or maybe I) already derailed this thread to the point of it having to have it's name changed lol.

I suggest we all agree to disagree and just go eat some doses or smoke a bowl or something =D
 
About these "true hallucinations" in the dark, I have some thoughts (not trying to start an argument or anything).

When you close your eyes, you remove most of the light your eyes receive, and then you see CEVs. On mushrooms and acid I've done experiments where I go into closets, wrap a blanket around my head, etc. and try to get almost complete darkness. When I do this, I see my normal CEVs but my eyes are open. So I think that you can have true hallucinations, and I've experienced them, but you have to remove almost all of the visual input.

I've been to Carlsbad Caverns a few times, and you can go on tours where they turn off the lights and it is PITCH black. I would love to do one of those tours while tripping. It would be eerie and I could test some of my ideas.
 
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