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LSD Purity and Effects

TripSitterNZ said:
The biggest LSD chemists have outspoken about how they make and bless and do rituals while making LSD. These facts are in books that you can read its just not a mechanical process. It is also a sacrament and magical thing.
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You sure believe a lot of nonsense.

Now you rambled on incoherantly when I asked before so here is the quote:

"the consensus among those to whom we spoke who had substantial experience with street acid was that the 55-year-old, apparently fully potent, Sandoz LSD was experientially indistinguishable from other acid they'd tried. "

Erowid LSD (Acid) Vault : LSD Purity

Myth Debunking and Storage: LSD Purity, by Earth and Fire Erowid
erowid.org

Why didn't these people claim the sandoz was the purest cleanest acid they ever took? It was the exactly the same as the street LSD. I don't understand how the dirty acid believers can explain this away. Sandoz feels the same as street acid

Any batch can produce side effects that you incorrectly attribute to the chemical being impure. The sandoz LSD can cause those side effects too. Instead of blaming the chemist you should blame your own hydration levels, or if you sat in the same place for 5 hours. Name a side effect, sore tummy? Happens with pure LSD too, shivers? Happens with pure acid too. All LSD side effectes were noted in the 1950's clinical trials, which used Sandoz, there were no new ones that all of a sudden showed up in 1967 when illegal LSD hit the strets. Think of it like this, last night I drank a bunch of alcohol and puked, did I get bad alcohol? Of course not, I puked because I didn't eat or drank too much.

I will never stop preaching the gospel in regards to this, I spent my whole life hearing bullshit about LSD. Dirty acid is the todays version of "bad acid caused my bad trip". When people are tripping the last thing they need in their heads is some irrational fear they got a bad batch.
 
I agree with Viraldrome above. In 40 years of taking acid (regularly but not excessively) I've never had a trip that seemed qualitatively different from any other - and in that time there is no doubt that the LSD came from many different sources/labs. The only difference from dose to dose was ....... errrrr, the dose. They varied only in potency.

Any dose that was less than about 100mg* was, to my mind, simply disappointing. Anything 150ug* upward had the full spectrum of effects. If I took two or three of what I considered to be weak doses then I would have a full-on trip.

I would like to think I'm not immune to the spiritual aspects of an LSD - I believe I've experienced the 'otherworldliness' on every trip. Never had a "bad" trip, never had a stomach upset, never had loops, never had ............ anything other than a great experience. Some transient forebodings as the disassociative threshold is negotiated? ........ well that comes with the territory I believe.

Day afterward? never once had any sort of 'hangover' or ill effects. Always a sense of well-being and wonder.

In fact for what it's worth, LSD is the only chemical I've experienced that is consistently 'clean' - I believe it is that cleanness and pureness that sets it above any other substance for my liking.

So yes, there is such a thing as 'clean' acid - it's the in the nature of the substance. But 'dirty' acid.? Set and setting as Viraldrome and others have been saying for decades.

* Just my rough estimates based on years of experience. and reading of others experiences.
 
DrumTripper said:
I think it is narrow thinking that would posit a world where impurities in lsd batches don’t exist.
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There is a difference between "impurities" and "active impurities".

iso-LSD does indeed show up in significant amounts in many batches, but the question is whether it is actually pharmacologically active, especially in such tiny doses. Shulgin, for one, reported that even at 4000 micrograms, it isn't psychoactive.

In a lot of cases, the dystomer (the less desirable isomer of a substance) is, for all intents and purposes, inactive. I mean, you don't see people complaining about how after moving to Europe, they were suffering from constant nightmares because Europeans only have access to racemic zoplicone which also contains its R-isomer, while the Lunesta they're using in the US contains the pure S-isomer, aka "eszopiclone" (as everyone knows, needlepoint eszopiclone only gives you lucid sex dreams featuring Riley Reid, and actually makes you better at operating vehicles and heavy machinery while sleepwalking).
 
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Never had a bad trip in hundreds of trips only hard experinces. Dirty acid exists did i say its bad acid no its still lsd with active impurties that cause body load and mental fogginess. Im stating pure facts that is well known among lsd chemists and people who trip hard. The cleanest crystal has no body load no fogginess or mental confusion no nausesa just pure clean feeling
 
In regards to that Sandoz LSD experiment, that room was likely full of people higher up on the totem pole so to speak when it came to street drugs. Not the best crowd to be asking IMO.

Also while I’m not 100%, as someone who’s been close to certain things over the years, there is something to be said about positive energy and intention being passed on. I have zero rational explanation for it but it’s a real phenomenon.

Also giving people psychedelics is HUGE and seems to up the chances of the person having an enlightening trip.. Whether that’s down simply to the fact they got it for free and are grateful, idk..

I’m personally a believer in impurities or polymorphs causing different effects. We’ve seen unexplained effectiveness differences with polymorphs of various pharmaceuticals, why not LSD?

I get the feel of each batch I get and generally there are certain characteristics which hold true time and again. Placebo is real even for someone as in tune as my self, but I don’t believe it’s something that lasts.

For example I was once placebo’ed when my mom gave me the wrong inactive pills instead of some zolpidiem.. First night was like 90% effects, second night 40% or so, and the third night I barely felt it. It was then that I realized something was off and researched the pills to realize they weren’t ambien.

So with that said, I don’t believe placebo can last forever and eventually the true nature of the experience shows itself. This is also why I like to have 3-4 tries with a particular cannabis strain before making judgements on theveffects.

And finally, I’ve been buying LSD from the same group of people for the past 10yrs or so, we’re close. The price is generally always the same but recently I was offered a sheet at half price from one friend. He gave me a few hits to try..

Elhrich reaction went nuts upon contact but when I put it on my tongue instead of it being tasteless like normal, it had a slight metallic sensation like a penny on your tongue. The comeup was uncomfortable until the peak hit, and despite the reaction the experience wasn’t as strong as I’d expected comparing reagent reactions to other doses. Also I had weird lingering effects which I never get, and a sore neck.

The price, the strong reagent reaction despite lesser effects, the nasty comeup, the lingering effects, the penny taste.. It all points to impure LSD.

But this argument will go on until the end of time. I know what I like and I know how to find it so I’m happy :)

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
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And finally, I’ve been buying LSD from the same group of people for the past 10yrs or so, we’re close. The price is generally always the same but recently I was offered a sheet at half price from one friend. He gave me a few hits to try..

Elhrich reaction went nuts upon contact but when I put it on my tongue instead of it being tasteless like normal, it had a slight metallic sensation like a penny on your tongue. The comeup was uncomfortable until the peak hit, and despite the reaction the experience wasn’t as strong as I’d expected comparing reagent reactions to other doses. Also I had weird lingering effects which I never get, and a sore neck.

The price, the strong reagent reaction despite lesser effects, the nasty comeup, the lingering effects, the penny taste.. It all points to impure LSD.

But this argument will go on until the end of time. I know what I like and I know how to find it so I’m happy :)

-GC
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People describe taking NBOMe orally in the exact same way, metallic taste quickly upon contact.
I'm not implying you wouldn't know the difference, but if one was to lay blotters with some low dose 25c NBOMe like 200-300ug with 50ug LSD it could like get really hard to say it was not legit LSD.
Sore neck totally fits my experience with NBOMes too.
May I ask what type of lingering effects did you have?
 
Phobos said:
People describe taking NBOMe orally in the exact same way, metallic taste quickly upon contact.
I'm not implying you wouldn't know the difference, but if one was to lay blotters with some low dose 25c NBOMe like 200-300ug with 50ug LSD it could like get really hard to say it was not legit LSD.
Sore neck totally fits my experience with NBOMes too.
May I ask what type of lingering effects did you have?
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Nbombs taste alot more than just metallic they are extremely bitter and will numb your entire mouth for 2 hours
 
Phobos said:
Ah cool, I only ever snorted NBOMes, wouldn't really know how they taste like.
But given the noticeable peripheral vasoconstriction you get when tripping, I imagine they make your mouth almost white lol.
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Damm i could imagine that would hurt i have snorted 2cb before and would never go through that pain again. In 2011 they use to sell nbomb in powder form in new zealand in little capsules small medium dose under the name DIME in legal high shops or dairy's. Til one day the government acutally tested the product and it was suppose to be illegal. Some people use to snort it or put it on their gums
 
You don't feel a thing mate, dosage range for 25I and 25C NBOMe snorted is IME 250ug-1500ug and 100ug to 900ug... with the higher dose not to be attempted if lacking experience and/or if not in optimal health.
I used to lay my powder in 100:1 ratio all you'd feel was the cut, and when a substantial dose would be insufflated and absorbed, you would feel the need to sneeze and mucus would form (if you would follow a certain procedure it was like 5 minutes or less) and that was the signal that the ride was beginning. To me it was safer than oral as you are taking what you intend to absorb while on blotters you'd ingest an excessive dose relying on the low bioavailablity to save you from the OD, with nightmarish experiences obviously happening everytime someone managed to absorb the whole dose.
 
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TripSitterNZ said:
more completely fake information coming out of your ass. Anti psychotics do not increase the strength of LSD they completely block its effects. You shouldn't even touch psychedelic drugs you are in your own damm weird world
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It's mostly the same stuff he already posted here and on rollitup.
It doesn't really add up that he says worth the read and then he has a thread asking what will happen if he takes a 5 strip....

heatlessbbq said:
Hoffman was on the hunt to discover a new vaccination for Polio and found out about LSD's psychedelic properties in 1943
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Hoffmann was trying to find a stimulant drug that could be used on pregnant women.

heatlessbbq said:
Cannabis (Marijuana, Buds, Flower...etc), Kief, and 'Hashish' can aid the side effects from LSD as well.
{Such as chronic / acute spiritual, mental, and physical pain}
[THC, CBD, Kief and Cannabinoid containing 'Hashish' can get rid of aggression, depression, and boredom.
You just have to keep smoking the cannabis all day to stay away from these negative psychedelic traits.]
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Why not endorse the continuous smoking of cannabis while we are talking about LSD.
You really should have said something about dreadlocks too.

heatlessbbq said:
'Eggshell'- This crystal is further being researched and is quite unknown. It is a possibility that actual eggshells are used as the precursor and contains an ergine alkaloid that can be made into an LSD-25 tartrate. 'Eggshell' also could be a marketing gimmick.
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LSD from eggshells? COULD be a marketing gimmick? You think?????
 
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I'll just add my piece to this, I won't get into a big fight but I'll lay this out as I see it.

Assuming the substance someone is taking is infact LSD, with nothing added like 25X or a DOX etc. There's really very few options for what could be the difference between "dirty acid" and clean acid.

#1 Impurities like iso-LSD affecting the experience
#2 The difference in dosage is affecting the experience.
#3 People are experiencing a placebo affect when they get "dirty acid," and like any placebo, attribute it to the drug (or therapy or whatever,) and not their own mind.


#2 is a fact that I think everyone agrees with, dosage obviously matters, so 100mcgs of 100% pure LSD will of course be different than 100mcgs of 50% pure LSD. Though the purity would have to be terrible for it to affect the experience significantly (as in my example of an extremely high/unlikely difference in purity,) AND you'd have to know the mcgs per hit to make any worthwhile statement about how much real LSD you actually took, to show that 90mcgs of LSD is different then 90mcgs of LSD + 30 mcgs of iso-LSD, which isn't possible unless you made it yourself, even then you could make a small mistake.


#1 As has been stated before, the impurities have been tested alone, in quantities FAR higher than they would ever be present in a tab, with ZERO effects. Is it possible that small amounts of iso-LSD etc, alter the experience of LSD with "synergistic" effects (ignoring dosage differences?) I would say yes, it is possible, EXTREMELY unlikely, AND would go against everything that has been studied about regarding these impurities, but I would agree the possibility is > 0%

#3 Now compare #1 to #3. We all know that, even controlling set and setting perfectly, same place, time, safe food, safe drug from same batch taken at same dose, with the same mindset going in, people still can have wildly different experiences. Obviously controlling set and setting is huge, but no psychedelic is 100% predictable (other than it being unpredictable.)

That's the nature of these drugs. Now looking at the placebo affect. It's an extremely well documented phenomenon. Depending on the exact test, it will affect somewhere around 35% of people, EACH time (assuming an average placebo test, obviously 35% of cancer isn't cured by placebo.) Some people are more likely to experience the placebo affect, but NO ONE is immune from it, no matter how much you think you'd never fall for it. This has been studied over and over and over, NO ONE is immune, that is a FACT.

I'm someone who feels like I'm more resistant to a placebo than most (most people feel this way.) 3/5ths of my family are scientists (2 at PhD level, 2 big-name pharmaceuticals made by my dad + team (billions/yr for the owners decades later,)) I'm not a scientist, but work in a science setting. Have an analytical mindset, etc. Yet, when I was recovering from a minor surgery, a RN came to give me a pain medication, told me it was Toradol. I wasn't familiar, and asked what that was, and she replied that it was powerful synthetic narcotic, similar to morphine but a bit stronger and longer lasting. I've never done heroin, nor had I IV'd any opioid. But I'd done high doses of Oxy, methadone, fentanyl, dilaudid, etc, and I LOVE opioids, too much unfortunately. So, hearing that, I was pretty excited and it turned out to be one of, if not the most incredible, amazing, opioid highs I've ever felt. To this day I "flashback" to how great it was. The rush was definitely #1 among my experiences in narcotics. And I received this drug 3 (4?) times during my stay, with some minor tolerance setting in, but great recreational effects even on the final dose. Of course, after I looked it up, I discovered that Toradol is NOT a narcotic. It's basically super powerful Advil, an NSAID, (so the pain killing effects were real, the intense euphoria I experienced, pure placebo.) So, that's my little, holy shit! I got placeboed like crazy story. Point being, the placebo affect is extremely strong, and affects EVERYONE.

So if you compare #1 vs #3. We have something that has an extremely unlikely (to put it mildly) chance of being true (#1,) compared to a known phenomenon that is well studied and affects EVERYONE. So yeah, it's possible that iso-LSD is making some acid more "dirty," it's also possible that the one true God is Zeus. If you want to go on believing in dirty acid, or that the "spirit" of the chemist affects the drug (I can't even touch that, lol,) then fine whatever, you do you. Just be aware that this is a well studied area on both the impurity side, and the placebo side. And the extremely strong, consistently replicated studies, all point to #3 as being the answer (and #2 of course.) Every time.

Just really quick, I know I come off as arrogant here, and I do apologize for that, I'm positive there are things I believe in nearly 100%, that are totally false. So, apologies if I've offended anyone, I'm sure I could be proven wrong on some of my very strong beliefs. Personally, while I disagree with many beliefs, I don't blame or judge people for having them. Peace everyone
 
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