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LSD Purity and Effects

Gregorio888 said:
I'll just add my piece to this, I won't get into a big fight but I'll lay this out as I see it.

Assuming the substance someone is taking is infact LSD, with nothing added like 25X or a DOX etc. There's really very few options for what could be the difference between "dirty acid" and clean acid.

#1 Impurities like iso-LSD affecting the experience
#2 The difference in dosage is affecting the experience.
#3 People are experiencing a placebo affect when they get "dirty acid," and like any placebo, attribute it to the drug (or therapy or whatever,) and not their own mind.


#2 is a fact that I think everyone agrees with, dosage obviously matters, so 100mcgs of 100% pure LSD will of course be different than 100mcgs of 50% pure LSD. Though the purity would have to be terrible for it to affect the experience significantly (as in my example of an extremely high/unlikely difference in purity,) AND you'd have to know the mcgs per hit to make any worthwhile statement about how much real LSD you actually took, to show that 90mcgs of LSD is different then 90mcgs of LSD + 30 mcgs of iso-LSD, which isn't possible unless you made it yourself, even then you could make a small mistake.


#1 As has been stated before, the impurities have been tested alone, in quantities FAR higher than they would ever be present in a tab, with ZERO effects. Is it possible that small amounts of iso-LSD etc, alter the experience of LSD with "synergistic" effects (ignoring dosage differences?) I would say yes, it is possible, EXTREMELY unlikely, AND would go against everything that has been studied about regarding these impurities, but I would agree the possibility is > 0%

#3 Now compare #1 to #3. We all know that, even controlling set and setting perfectly, same place, time, safe food, safe drug from same batch taken at same dose, with the same mindset going in, people still can have wildly different experiences. Obviously controlling set and setting is huge, but no psychedelic is 100% predictable (other than it being unpredictable.)

That's the nature of these drugs. Now looking at the placebo affect. It's an extremely well documented phenomenon. Depending on the exact test, it will affect somewhere around 35% of people, EACH time (assuming an average placebo test, obviously 35% of cancer isn't cured by placebo.) Some people are more likely to experience the placebo affect, but NO ONE is immune from it, no matter how much you think you'd never fall for it. This has been studied over and over and over, NO ONE is immune, that is a FACT.

I'm someone who feels like I'm more resistant to a placebo than most (most people feel this way.) 3/5ths of my family are scientists (2 at PhD level, 2 big-name pharmaceuticals made by my dad + team (billions/yr for the owners decades later,)) I'm not a scientist, but work in a science setting. Have an analytical mindset, etc. Yet, when I was recovering from a minor surgery, a RN came to give me a pain medication, told me it was Toradol. I wasn't familiar, and asked what that was, and she replied that it was powerful synthetic narcotic, similar to morphine but a bit stronger and longer lasting. I've never done heroin, nor had I IV'd any opioid. But I'd done high doses of Oxy, methadone, fentanyl, dilaudid, etc, and I LOVE opioids, too much unfortunately. So, hearing that, I was pretty excited and it turned out to be one of, if not the most incredible, amazing, opioid highs I've ever felt. To this day I "flashback" to how great it was. The rush was definitely #1 among my experiences in narcotics. And I received this drug 3 (4?) times during my stay, with some minor tolerance setting in, but great recreational effects even on the final dose. Of course, after I looked it up, I discovered that Toradol is NOT a narcotic. It's basically super powerful Advil, an NSAID, (so the pain killing effects were real, the intense euphoria I experienced, pure placebo.) So, that's my little, holy shit! I got placeboed like crazy story. Point being, the placebo affect is extremely strong, and affects EVERYONE.

So if you compare #1 vs #3. We have something that has an extremely unlikely (to put it mildly) chance of being true (#1,) compared to a known phenomenon that is well studied and affects EVERYONE. So yeah, it's possible that iso-LSD is making some acid more "dirty," it's also possible that the one true God is Zeus. If you want to go on believing in dirty acid, or that the "spirit" of the chemist affects the drug (I can't even touch that, lol,) then fine whatever, you do you. Just be aware that this is a well studied area on both the impurity side, and the placebo side. And the extremely strong, consistently replicated studies, all point to #3 as being the answer (and #2 of course.) Every time.

Just really quick, I know I come off as arrogant here, and I do apologize for that, I'm positive there are things I believe in nearly 100%, that are totally false. So, apologies if I've offended anyone, I'm sure I could be proven wrong on some of my very strong beliefs. Personally, while I disagree with many beliefs, I don't blame or judge people for having them. Peace everyone
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Studies what studies man. LSD isn't a placebo i have eaten more hits than i should of have in one life time. People like to quote these ISO-lsd studies but most of them just read a tikhal enterance instead of listening to shulgins interviews and lectures. iso-lsd is active on the body same with lumi. Crystal formation is affected by numerous things. Ill rather to listen and confirm what i know from my sources and my own experinces. Like i said anybody claiming their isn't dirty acid is getting shit impure acid that hasen't been purfied twice through chromatography. I can give anybody a selection of blotter and tell them to blind test and the needle point crystal will always come back with a answer like damm so this is what LSD truly is. So many people come into this LSD scene and talk shit out their ass without ever laying their damm eye balls on some raw crystal. Pickard, scully, owsely, and sands have all confirmed the true mystical experince of how LSD is produced. LSD will make you trips balls through a fucking moon suit while its been made in huge doses. Science is so far behind the quantum conscinouness of this world it will never catch up. Im just glad LSD chemists know the truth and will contiune what they do and bless do rituals while the waves hit them during the process
 
Well yes, potentially a threat, or rather danger to uneducated people who seek valid, concise, easy to follow, accurate harm reduction advice.

Otherwise you are simply being perceived as a nuisance and distraction.

I still cannot understand your motive and incentive, or why you feel you must continually antagonize the other members.

Do you get pleasure and reward from posting all these silly, inaccuarate comments? In a rewarding sense, knowing that you have given the best and most accurate advice you can for the sake of helping others?

Or do you simply get pleasure from antagonising everybody and disagreeing with anyone who doesn't agree with your own perspective? Because if nobody is paying attention to what you are saying and learning anything and nobody is benefiting from your advice.....

Okay, I really don't know what to say I just don't get you bro I don't know how much of what you say is actually sincere. If you are genuinely sincere then I feel you must be genuinely unwell which is why I have tried to be a sensitive and open-minded as possible but you are becoming a pure disruption in almost every thread and I don't believe your participation here is appreciated by many people if anybody at all currently.

Please consider what you are trying to achieve here and elsewhere with your posting and try to be more considerate and intuitively about how your advice will be received and how much use it will be to other people.

This is typically what everybody else who posts here does in a considerate fashion.

It is showing a disrespect to the website and the other members to not make an effort to do this.
Please try and be better and not create so much drama out of delusion, for everybody's sake here including you own, and certainly the world at large.
 
heatlessbbq said:
That doesn't make sense when all of My information is based on the subject at hand; with a hint of harm reduction.

I care and it shows.
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All your information is false if you cant see that i can only wish that a trip does the best for you and that is to run screaming naked down the streets so you can get locked up and given the care you need.
 
It sounds like I am a threat?
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I take you as a dangerous troll. Not sure if voluntary or not but It doesn´t change nothing. I would probably perma kick you if I were a mod.

Maybe it responds to your question.
 
Just to clarify what kind of character you appear to be, heatlessbbq, it's possible to find instances of you positively responding to source requests on a forum.
 
It is of paramount importance for BL to distance itself from any illegal activity, even from the particular activities that it may seek to legalise.

The DEA should knock your door down shortly.
 
heatlessbbq, just to be perfectly, 100% clear, you are repeatedly posting absolutely false claims that anyone with any knowledge could debunk instantly... however, a lot of people have no knowledge when they come here, they're coming here to seek knowledge, and harm could come to them from reading some of your posts. This runs counter to our mission here, because we seek to provide accurate information for people to inform themselves about their drug use. Because we have due process, I'm not going to ban you or anything (in fact I can't as it would be an abuse of power), but I am going to take down your links to bogus information that you're spamming. If you post that link again, I will be forced to infract you. If you start accumulating infractions, that is what will cause the bans to start. Stop and think for a second as to why people are reacting to you the way you are. You have been shown more respect than you have given to others here. Please feel free to stay and discuss drugs, but if you do, make sure you treat others with respect, and do not post links to external content that is misleading.

Also, any discussion of sourcing drugs here is absolutely forbidden, it's our #1 rule. So please do not do so.
 
Excuse Me.

Can You point out what You are saying?

I feel I make a great attribute to the psychedelic community.
Just ask anyone who knows about HeatlessBBQ.
 
You post here and in other forums with the same style and approach, here's an example:

heatlessbbq said:
I'm My own best test kit.
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This is not a positive contribution, you are denying the utility of reagent kits, GC/MS, and other lab machinery, stating that you will have a better accuracy by using yourself as lab rat.
This method obviously exposes the user to a substance before it is known which substance it is that is being ingested, and that defeats the main purpose of drug testing, safety.
Writing this in a public forum might create confusion for an inexperienced person seeking harm reduction information as to what it is a sensible approach to substances synthesised and dosed in unknown and unlicensed facilities due to their illegal status.

Now, your posts here have been often caused this type of answer from me or others, and no one here will ask around about you as it is not logical that external validation can turn wrong into right.
The answers you get always address the actual contents of your posts and an explanation is given.
You are not being targeted personally, it is about the contents of your posts.
 
Anybody familiar with Route 25 blotters? Some of the best acid I have ever taken. Extremely clean, clear headed stuff. I hadn't tripped in 15yrs but I am so glad I found a source.

I am a 20yr heroin addict and was addicted to kratom, which I have now been able to quit. I forgot how much I loved this stuff.

I also think frequency of trips and using other substances in and around trips can change the subjective effects. Overdoing it back in the day made a lot of my later trips negative. I started experiencing less positives and more undesirable effects, such as body load, thought loops and negative head spaces.

I am just so glad it has reentered my life. Just 2 trips and it has already become an invaluable tool again

I can't wait to try San Pedro.
 
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Yeah, Buzz Lightbeer, unless anyone’s sent some in, I’m *assuming* it is what is on the label. Mostly seeing purity listed by the producers at or around >98%.
But you’re asking what we’ve all wondered and I hope someone does send a sample in for full testing someday.
Again, just assumptions on my part, but logically safe(ish) ones, I’m hoping.
Someone in the Lizard kingdom care to weigh in?
BTW, love your icon! LWSD!
 
Buzz Lightbeer said:
So guys, nobody in this thread has mentioned it, but what about ALD-52 or 1p-LSD then? I'd guess they're always very pure
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Indeed, we can only assume going by almost certain logic. The Dutch will be doing things properly every step of the way we can have no doubt about that.
Regardless of individual preferences and even prices etc it is definitely one of the attractions to shopping these route over the mother herself.

For myself, this avenue is priceless because I have severe allergy issues.

I cant take vitamin supplenents even without really suffering. The same applies to virtually everything there is supplement, herb, medicine, remedy etc. 99% off limits.

I was forced to abandon all of my drug taking completely in 2005 when these problems originated and I have only used cannabis over the years except for 72 potentially questionable LSD trips in 2011 and 12. (And 5 1plsd trips this year)

I reacted extremely badly to those blotters which had an incredibly strong smell and taste but I was assured by very experienced trip heads that it was genuine LSD and we assumed there were some type of additional chemicals used to fix the active onto the paper but I didn't have any education about these things back then despite extensive personal experience years beforehand.

Anyway I had very bad negative reactions to these tabs god knows what was on them or what the actual compound was. Much much more than most, I really need to know exactly what I'm taking.

I would not be able to tolerate many if any other drugs besides cannabis and clean acid, and I reasoned many years ago that on paper at least lsd-25 itself should be absolutely fine for me to tolerate because it is less toxic than your Supermarket vegetable pesticide and you are taking in a significantly lower quality than you do with a piece of broccoli most likely.

Discovering the trade of the grey area homologues this year here was a refreshing revelation. Knowing for certain that you are only consuming inert blotter paper, the compound itself, and a little soy based ink is a tremendous privilege indeed.

So I jumped right on board naturally the other huge benefits to these options is is when it comes to microdosing and being able to have almost full confidence in the exact dosage on the tabs for consistent and repeatable microdosing when one has found the ideal personal level.

But I still haven't actually tried my ald-52 which I acquired in February just haven't been well enough for the act but I am intrigued to do so at 200 ug I expect. I will be interested to compare it to my recent 200ug 1p trips, all without tolerance.

And don't forget the new 1cp-Lsd, reported to be stronger than not just 1plsd, but lsd itself as well by a good few. At least equal to Lsd anyway.

So far the 1cp-Lsd is being sent out on blank white blotter paper, which is even better for me personally because I am actually allergic to soy although I'm not sure that the tiny amount of soy ink on the blotter is going to cause me much problem but you never know.

So I hope to pick up some of this unmarked paper before they surely get more organised.

Edit- another massive plus for me. I have a very compromised immune system and I am highly prone to contracting multiple infections like viruses and bacteria etc.

I am permanently battling multiple chronic respiratory infections just keeping water out of the boat while it leaks back in at the same time but I stay on top of it although I can't let things get on top I have to stay on top of it all of the time myself to make life more comfortable.

So I am as a result very OCD about picking up germs from surface contact and especially other people who haven't washed their hands and being in public places etc.

So the idea that people have had their grubby mitts all over my drugs, doesn't sit well with me.

The 1p, Ald etc- very likely no human has ever handled them one time.

Well maybe at the very beginning right before dosing, but then maybe even not and gloves all the way after that you can be almost certain.

Lol, go for 1p LSD and ald-52 because you're a slightly to catch a viral or bacterial infection from the tab itself!
 
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@Phobos - Sorry I haven’t been back in awhile but like TripSitterNZ said NBomes are beyond metallic (actually they weren’t really metallic for me, but others have reported it) they are the nastiest bitter and you instantly know you put something other than LSD in your mouth. I also used to dose small amounts (200-250ug with similar nasty taste).

This impure batch was like a mild metallic sensation very similar to others reports of LSD “taste.” I just thought I was immune to the taste but now I believe it may be down to certain impurities after finally experiencing it myself. If I’m not mistaken can’t LSD react with aluminum? This may be the cause of the taste...

I should also reiterate I tested it with Elhrich which should have indicate if it wasn’t a lysergamide. My only other guess is possibly 1p-lsd based on everything.

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Also studies done on the activity of a single compound mean nothing when talking in conjunction with other substances. It’s very possible an inactive impurity could compete with LSD at various receptor sites.

-GC
 
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