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Lysergamides [LSA Subthread] LSA's vs. LSD

^ Yeah actually, my first trip ever was with LSA, and the first time I took morning glories I did experience about 2 or 3 hours of intense euphoria, I can only compare it to my first proper experience with MDMA.......I have never been able to get back to that level of euphoria on any drug except when candy/hippie-flipping.
Saying that though, after the initial euphoria, it suddenly got really fucking dark and pretty twisted! .......LSA was a fucking strange drug for me. Very unpredictable.

Lots of things get compared to LSD, but IMO LSD beats every one of them

AMEN! ......LSD is the most useful , greatest drug I have ever taken.....Simply the best drug in the world.....
 
Is extracted LSA (using non-polar solvent + alcohol) still a source of nausea, cramping, limb aches, etc.?
 
Ive got mushrooms, would it be worth trying LSA, or is LSA like way weaker the mushrooms?
 
go with mushrooms, for sure.... psilo[cybin,cin] is much more reliable and mind-expanding than LSA.
 
Nichols again

Theres an article by Dave Nichols (1) called "LSD and its Lysergamide Cousins", that is concerned with why any deviation from the diethylamide group causes a large drop in potency. It seems that not only is LSD a remarkably fragile drug with regards to heat, other chem agents etc, but it's also a very precise molecule when it comes to receptor binding.

1/ D. Nichols; LSD and its lysergamide cousins; The Heffter Review of Psychedelic Research, Volume 2, 2001 p. 80-87
 
Personally, i've tried a few batches of morning glory seeds and they seem to vary greatly in quality. I've had some batches where i've gotten a near mdma-euphoria as blaze defiant described, and i've had other batches that only have minor psychedelic qualities in addition to the body side effects. I've also noticed some pretty major differences in taste among different batches.

I think quality control is a significant issue when it comes to morning glories. Perhaps the alkaloid compounds vary with specific growing conditions? Has anyone done research into this subject?
 
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I would recommend LSA over shrooms, from my experience, actually. But I really haven't done much shrooming...I'm just saying that if you aren't looking for a "quick fix" LSA can be VERY rewarding.
 
bluedolphin said:
^^^
Usually around the 8-10 hour mark after eating LSD I realize I'm full of gas, and have for some reason been holding it in for quite a while.

A good fart is all it takes to relieve LSD's #1 negative physical side effect ;)

Ahhh, yes. The Great Equalizer!!!
 
i've never heard of LSD being synthed from LSA. i know its much easier to do it with ergotamine. Achaemenian you seem to imply ergotamine is relatively easy to get...it isnt



LSA seems to be more individually oriented than LSD.

My experience with LSA: One friend got a bad trip (I was with him during it) and had a yearlong conversation with Jesus, thought he was dead, wasn't sure if I was real, thought his heart stopped, etc. Another one of my friends got no visuals just wierd head feelings and slight mindfuck. I personally get intense visuals and mindfuck if i smoke pot with it, but no transcendence or mystical affects.

It seems that most people who use LSD (virtually all) get strong visuals and mindfuck, and if the right set and setting is there, get mystical or transcendental experiences. And "potency" dosnt really matter because if a drug is more potent, you just take less mass of it.

LSA constricts blood vessels, causing leg pain, and of course, the seeds cause immense nausea. LSD is usually more "speedy" than LSAs, many people claim sedation fromt he seeds.




"Is extracted LSA (using non-polar solvent + alcohol) still a source of nausea, cramping, limb aches, etc.?"

i've read in anotehr post that the nausea is due to somethign in the seeds, not the LSAs, and its in many other seeds as well
 
Lsa & Lsd

Just wondered if someone here could shed some light on the difference, trip wise, between LSA (HBWR or Morning Glory seeds) and LSD in terms of the 'trip'. I've had HBWR seeds before, and initially didn't really think it was that mind blowing, although with more experimentation I'd found that it could be pretty good fun.

Was looking in to mostly if there were any significant differences between tripping on the two, and as to how many HBWR seeds would be equivalent to, say, one fairly bog standard tab?
 
i think LSA is more 'in your body' whereas LSD is more 'in your head'

i don't think there is all THAT big of a difference, though

I'm not gonna compare doseages, tho, 180 seeds has been a good dose for me...I am very sensitive to psychedelics lately, tho, I can feel it if I take like 50 seeds, it's just weaker.
 
I'd say that a GOOD blotter is roughly equivalent to ten GOOD HBWR seeds. I always found LSD more 'intense' psychologically, because it tends to challenge my perceptions in much more profound ways than LSA. And I'll agree with Leg that LSA is more physical, especially cos of that yucky nausea. ummmm....i dunno what else to say other than TRY acid. it's the best!

oh yeah, and when you drop acid, before the deep spiritual enlightenment comes....you'll spend a good few hours simply laughing yourself senseless. so have fun!
 
Has anyone tried pure LSA? I always thought it might be much more similar to LSD without the other actives in MG/HBWR seeds, which seem to cause the body load.
 
I've tried a water extraction of HBW seeds, but never pure LSA extract. The trip actually seemed pretty much the same as when I just ate the seeds, except it definitely helped reduce the stomach pains.

Also, for me, LSD visuals are much, much more intense than LSA visuals.
 
In my experience LSD and LSA are only somewhat alike.

LSD has visuals, for one. It's speedy in the head, pretty euphoric, conceptual dissolution, and long lasting. I've never done a full dose, though.

The most HWBR I've had is 12. There are very minor tracers, tons of euphoria, nausea, body high, no insanity, and opiate-type effects. LSA in my experience is a very beautiful drug, but very recreational. Many people dislike LSA. I was starting to notice after-effects from too much tripping (maybe 3 times one month). Stuff out of the corner of my eye sort of thing.
 
I tried LSA years back and I remember it being so so.

It made me giggle at random things and I certainly couldn't sleep that entire night. TV just seemed so odd to watch, I couldn't concentrate on anything going on.

To this day I couldn't really tell you if I was in a different world but my perception of things was shifted in a way that I still cannot describe to this day.

The taste of the seeds was almost painful it was so shitty.

Any thoughts on what might have been going on with me?

In my opinion it was just a small dose and I was half assing the trip. Like I was dragging during it because I had borderlined a right amount but was short by a a hundred or less seeds.
 
i dont like lsa purely for the bad stomach cramps i always get-the experience itself is good but this takes the feeling of full immersion away from it -may try an extraction one day instead of just chomping down the seeds but until then i'll stick with lsd
 
morning glory seeds are no substitute for acid !(never tried HBWR)

LSD feels mentally stimulating, produces strong visual distortions and has practically no body load

LSA is physically and mentally sedating, it puts me into a trance like state. it does produce some slight visuals that are LSD like in nature, but i must emphasize they arent very strong. LSA also produces the worst body load of any sertongenic hallucinogen ive tried. extreme nausia and muscle cramps in my legs and stomach, this is what makes it not worth it to me, but i still think its worth trying to see how it effects you.

YMMV
 
i have tripped on lsa once. I QUIT MY JOB! i puked so much on it and it warped my world so bad i didnt go to work, didnt call or anything. they fired me oh well. this was a long time ago. i've never puked on lsd EVER! i guess i ate too many seeds. can't remember how many but it was like 23 capsules of powdered morning glory seeds (UFO/HEAVENLY BLUE). the trip was good (strobe light night sky was neat) just the puking at the end for hours on end was no good at all! i'm never eating morning glories again. all i could think while i was puking was the seeds had pesticide on them and this thing this girl told me before it took them about "the fisheye effect" you get when you eat some with pesticide. whatever. it freaked me out and i couldnt stop thinking about it.
 
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