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Lysergamides [LSA Subthread] LSA's vs. LSD

Ghettotastic_bong said:
LSA is definately a fascinating psychedelic, my first few psychedelic experiences were with them, and i had a wonderful time. Side effects definately are present though, lots of leg tension and nausea.

But, once you try the real McCoy, you appreceate that LSD is truly better than morning glory seeds or any other source of LSA. It's a cleaner, side effect free, visual trip that LSA simply is not. There's really not much more to say on the subject.
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ditto on all accounts

My main problem with LSAs found in HBWR/MG seeds is not the headspace, or lack of visuals. The headspace is fantastic, and varied like DexterMeth said. The visuals may not be extreme psychedelic-soup but there is enough sparkle to keep my interest for sure. The main problem is the persistant nausea, stomach pain, and cramping of the legs and abdomen.

Those side effects just really aren't acceptable to me anymore.
 
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yeh some people get bad legs cramps on MG seeds, I never experimented such side effects, but a friend of mine experimented really bad pain in the legs (and it seems several people on bluelight report such a thing too)....maybe it's due caused by the very slight amount of ergot alcaloids in the seeds, causing a slight vasocontrictor effect (which a few people might be more responsive to than others)
 
^^yep, the leg cramps and all that are not fun. But honestly, I have had some high-dose morning glory trips that were nearly identical to 200-300 mic's of LSD. The nausea people complain of has never really been too much of a problem for me, it's part of the experience. If you purge you WILL feel much better, and pot is a must for the stomach and to kick start the trip. A little ginger does wonders as well.
 
There is some misinformation being spread here about LSA

First of all, the polar/non-polar solvent extractions are not "dangerous" unless you fail to allow the extract to dry out. It is an easy extraction that removes the nasty G.I side effects. The rule of thumb is....eat the extract only when you can no longer smell any solvent. If you smoke...get a non-smoking friend to smell it for you.

As for the vasoconstriction...it will be worse if you already have poor circulation. If you are worried, you could try taking a light dose of nitric oxide, or even a shot of alcohol (both vasodilators). Young people in good shape have nothing to worry about (in the normal dosage range). If the tingling gets worse and becomes pain, try going for a brisk walk for 10 minutes. For safety's sake though, remember that if you have cardiovascular problems you probably shouldn't take LSA.
 
Man… I love the speediness of acid. I love the blabbering insanity and ego-disolution.

LSA to me always seems like I'm coming up on WEAK acid and there is some odd temporal distortions. Certain things will happen then suddenly I'll be lying in bed thinking that I was just standing up having no idea how I got there and wondering if I had just dreamed walking around. I personally don't care for LSA due to muscle cramps I get from it. Felt like I've been stabbed before because the cramps were so strong. I'm thinking there is a preparation method that I need to make myself aware that would take leave you with more psychoactive material and less of the bad stuff. Or maybe they are one and the same with LSA?

Peace,
PL
 
LSA vs LSD

What are the similarities? What are the differences? Have you had any experiences with both?
 
I've had quite a few trips on LSD, all of which were excellent... And than I had 1 trip on LSA, which was completely horrible, I had terrible cramps, I was puking left and right, and on top of that I was seeing these clowns on walls that were freaky as shit... I don't like freaky clowns when I'm barfing my intestines out.

After I tried it I knew the reason why LSA is legal... Horrible substitute.
 
Not even comparable. LSD is far superior. Much more psychedelic, no sedation, nowhere near the crappy body effects LSA has. LSA just has a whole lot of sedation, nausea, body load, a little bit of psychedelia and a lot of side effects. They are similar in that they last the same duration; that's all I can think of.

BTW you should change the title to LSA vs. LSD. The current title led to believe this was a synthesis related thread before I opened it. :)
 
LSD blows it out of the water

I found LSA to be a little to weak for my taste. It also bothered my stomach quite a bit more than acid does. LSD is a life changing spiritual tool LSA is something that's fun to do at the end of the summer when you harvest your morning glory's.

Acid is much more intense and that's exactly what I'm looking for =D
 
There are similarites, as they are both Lysergic acids, though of course LSD is by far superior.

The problem is when people fail to do a proper extraction of LSA, and instead decide to eat hella morning glory or hawaiian baby woodrose seeds. One is likely to get sick that way.


Yeah, I have done both. Seek LSD unless you have the patience to do an LSA extraction (which really is not too difficult).
 
The thread title made me think it was about a possible synthetic route for LSD :D Edit: looks like I'm not the only one :)

I have had a few experiences with HBWR, with mixed results. Sometimes I've experienced not much other than horrible bodyload (mostly nausea), but some have been quite interesting. I would conclude that it is less visual than LSD, and quite powerful in terms of mental effects. It also seems to be far less stimulating, almost sedating in fact.

I have also combined it once with mushrooms and must say it was thoroughly interesting. Great synergy, although it seemed to be more anxiogenic than either substance by itself. This could be attributed to the novelty though. The visuals I experienced on that combination were fascinating, not quite like any other psychedelic I have tried so far. I definitely intend to explore this further at some point, although not too soon I'm afraid. I am tripping quite infrequently these days and my "psychedelic todo list" has many things I'd like to venture into before that. One can never know what life brings though :)

Overall, I would say LSAs are interesting psychedelic substances in it's own right. The main negative for me was the (although somewhat inconsistent, still very noteworthy) nausea. Perhaps this could be reduced significantly through proper extraction, IDK. Anyway, it seems rather serious and non-recreational (is that a proper term?), so if you're all about visuals, giggles, and energy, you should probably stick with LSD. Otherwise, worth a try for sure in my book.
 
LSAs don't hold any sort of candle to LSD in my opinion and experience, although I
haven't explored the upper boundaries of LSAs. Then again I felt pretty hard-pressed
to it just isn't my cup of tea.

And yes the thread title threw me off rodeo style.
 
Yeah me too Pdoc, although they are not in the same ballpark through the shades you
might notice they are in the same family - does that go for hydergine as well?
And I have to add to this that if I hadn't known that they were related (LSA's and LSD
differ one letter :D ) I'm reaaally unsure how I'd feel about the connection...

It's funny how hard it is to imagine not to know something O_o
 
LSA tends to get a bad rap, but it's mostly just nonsense.

The thick of it is this: I've eaten more morning glory seeds at one time than everyone in this thread combined and never experienced much nausea. First of all, when dealing with naturally-occurring substances that are embedded in foreign plant matter, you're looking at dealing with a little nausea, so just get used to it. If you have a sensitive stomach, then find a decent extraction method so you're dealing with less plant matter. Second, if you eat a handful of HBWR or MG seeds and have particularly unbearable cramps and nausea, something went wrong. Either you had an unfortunate combination of foods, or the seeds were coated with something or you're too weak for psychonautage much less shamanhood.

But the other thing is this: LSA is not a "woaaah...trippy, dude" psychedelic. It's not like acid and it's not like mescaline and it's not like mushrooms. But it is a mindwarping, spiritual and healing drug that is not to be taken lightly nor cast as a second-rate LSD substitute. It has extremely high therapeutic potential. LSA is 'quieter' than LSD, less overtly 'psychedelic' as such, more introspective and earthy. The body load, in my experience, has ranged from being ecstatic to lethargic. Used with these intentions in mind and not with the intentions of it being a killer LSD substitute, it is a fulfilling and rewarding substance to explore.

Also, I believe it could be very useful in professional medical settings. Like I said it is high in therapeutic potential. It kills me that the stigma of 'psychedelic drugs' hinders mainstream funding for research into using these natural blessings to their fullest potential for capacitating balance and creativity in the human mind.
 
rhinogrey said:
Either you had an unfortunate combination of foods,
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We're talking in general here so idiosyncracies don't count
or the seeds were coated with something
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thats a myth
or you're too weak for psychonautage much less shamanhood.
<plus the other stuff you said>
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Actually got a decent point there, I agree that entheobotanics
are somehow more shamanism-oriented and feel more holistic
and Morning Glory / HBRW probably serves a better purpose in
that context.

And the stuff that makes you queasy is not a coating they put
on there but I think there are substances in the seedshells that
can produce nausea so you'd need to do a purification after your
extraction, use a certain protocol to get that gunk out. I heard
it matters a lot.

Personally I'm still not that impressed. But a friend of mine got
interesting results like the street started talking to him and his
line of vision got wrapped all the way around a round builing :D
 
rhinogrey said:
LSA is 'quieter' than LSD, less overtly 'psychedelic' as such, more introspective and earthy. The body load, in my experience, has ranged from being ecstatic to lethargic. Used with these intentions in mind and not with the intentions of it being a killer LSD substitute, it is a fulfilling and rewarding substance to explore.
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This couldn't be more true. I'd still take LSD over LSA any day but it is worth trying with this stuff in mind. I had one of the strangest and most compelling psychedelic experiences I've ever had on it. There was also the sense of being with another person even though I was alone that I have only felt on DMT (I've never gotten this on salvia, LSD, mushrooms, etc) that was very comforting. It's a nice substance but I get nausea just thinking about HBWR seeds now.

It's entirely possible I am too weak.
 
LSA isn't a fun psychedelic unless your trying to become a shaman. Its really spiritual. For me, I have to bring the real trip out by speculating about life and science. Thats when the true power of LSA comes out. And trust me, you'll be in awe by the amount of knowlege that can come out of these seeds. LSA's the most scientific phsychedelic out there, you just gotta know where to look. I am convinced that Albert Einstein was on LSA when he came up with the theory of reletivity. And if you get sick from the seeds, your getting bad seeds. Once you start tripping, the nasea should go away.
 
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I've had great experiences on LSAs (calling it LSA is actually a misnomer because LSA is not a single substance, but a collection of lysergic compounds). True, they can cause nausea, and usually do for some duration, but if you get good seeds (this can be a problem), the resulting trip is amazingly euphoric and delicious.

It's got some similarities to LSD, of course, but it's kind of silly to compare them... they're two separate drugs. Each is valuable in its own right.
 
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