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Lysergamides [LSA Subthread] LSA's vs. LSD

Can you trip from LSA? As in honestly, full blown, mind-fucked scratching your dog's crazy wavy moving hair trip?

And I don't want a "well I love LSA and I have limited experience with LSD" response. I mean, is anyone well versed in LSD, or even both substances, who can answer my question?

I see alot of "Well I know someone who LSA > LSD...." but no one here is saying just that.

I can't imagine LSA giving the same mindufck as LSD. Visuals, sure. But that's all. And barely anyways.
 
I have taken fair amounts of both LSD and LSA, and I don't find them very similar. I mean, there are similarities.. but I can find similarities between any two psychedelic drugs that I've tried.

I do get a (sometimes overwhelming) mindfuck from LSA, but I have never had any visual activity from it. Well, sometimes I see halos around lights and such, but that could just be because of my dilated eyes. I don't really get any patterning, or breathing or anything. Its kicked up a notch on pot.. but still not a lot in that area.
 
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Just tried LSA for the first time today and i don't find it anywhere near as good as LSD, to begin with there is the horrible nausea which stops you from enjoying the trip for a good part of it.
The trip itself made me a lot more anxious and wasn't as pleasent as acid and I didn't get any real visuals at all.
I thought maybe upping the dosage would make it a bit better but this would just induce more nausea, Overall i don't rate this drug and don't think i'll be tryin it again.

That's why i need acid, not LSA.
 
I am firmly in the LSA camp... LSD is speedy and it keeps you up all night. Also LSD is much more fuzzy... too much mind static. Hbwr seeds are much much more lucid and clear headed. LSD is, of course, more visual but LSA can be very visual if you take it in a pitch black room.
 
One thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread, but probably should:

Drugs like peyote and other mescaline sources have a nausea asscoiated with them, but throwing up is merely consitered to be a part of the trip. I view LSA containing seeds in a simliar light. If you actually vomit, the nausea does go away, but you've got to take care of that first step...
 
^Agreed. I believe that when people just accept vomiting as a fundamental part of the psychedelic experience (one to be celebrated), then the experience as a whole is enhanced.
 
With all of the negative things being said about LSA, I should say that last time I did it I did HBWR seeds with 10 other people as part of a ceremony. Every one tripped very hard and not a single person vomited.

If you don't trip just as hard as you would on acid, you simply aren't taking them right or are getting bad seeds. You should grind up the seeds very fine and then let them sit in water for about 40 minutes and then drink the whole solution. I typically use 9 or 10 seeds.

The trip is very different from LSD, of course. When used in a ceremony everyone simply lies on the floor for the entire trip as they do during an ayahuasca ceremony.

In terms of intensity no one should take these seeds lightly.... I have seen experienced psychedelic users have terrible nightmarish bad trips off of the seeds... so do be careful.

If you are worried about nausea fast for the whole day and then, after you have taken them, eat saltine crackers as needed to deal with upset stomach.

Tastes in drugs are bound to differ, but anyone who says that the seeds are weak isn't to be trusted. I have done LSD, Mushrooms, DMT, ayahuasca, DPT, Mescaline, Salvia and many other drugs numerous times and I still consider these seeds to be very worthy (if very introspective) material.
 
Sometimes you have to swim through the sharks to get to the good surf.

But still, man, I've felt as if I've been impregnated with Lucifer's thorny demon fetus after ingesting hundreds of those damn seeds.

Still, after the stomach rape ends, mellow psychedelic fun begins.

All in all, I will always love LSD with all of my heart.
 
I've done both many times, and LSD is far superior. The naseau of LSA is sometimes horrible. One time my friend chris and I both ate 300 seeds before going out and we puked and puked and puked, and never tripped. Thats how it seems to work with LSA, hit or miss, and even when you hit, its more like a bunt.
 
well the main problem with mg seeds and hbwr seeds is the nausea, but you may get rid of it by proceeding to a simple alcohol extraction (or even get pure lsa powder).
note: hbwr seeds seem to give a more mind blowing effect than mg seeds which give a calmer trip)
Then how does lsa compare to lsd?
First I wanna say that I often heard lsa is ten times less potent than lsd, in term of potency by mg that's true (lsd: 0.250mg lsa: 2-3mg), but not in terms of effects depth, I mean I've had several lsa trips that were as mind blowing than good acid blotters (just extract 12 or 15 hbwr with alcohol and you'll get my point). LSA can be as deep as acid, but lsa is less visual (for sure you can get very nices CEVs and even OEVs with lsa , but lsd is definately more intense visually, and especially more coloured). An other difference between both is that lsa also acts as a depressant which make it somewhat sedative (while lsd doesn't make you sleepy at all).
LSA trips can last for long (10h), which is somewhat a similar duration to lsd (although lsd may last longer sometimes, in heavy doses)
I also feel like lsd is a better "party drug" than lsa as there's no sedation and there's also a very special vibe attached to lsd which makes it more suitable for partying than lsa (you know, the acid mind set: yeeehhaaa !)
 
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oh come on. I like acid just as much as anyone else here does. But LSA is definately some great shit. It's just another psychedelic in the endless pages of psychedelic experience

and yeah, its more sedating and trancelike, hypnotic, over the stimulated LSD

EDIT - anyone that says they "done LSA" and thinks LSD is far superior just isnt a real psychonaught :)
 
I love LSD. Read any of my posts on it, if you want to know why.

LSA made me have a horrible stomach ache, fall over and vomit, then stare at my vomit for about 20minutes. It lacked any of the visual hallucinations that I get from LSD. Although I did stare at things a lot, they didn't change at all.
The body load is not something to be ignored. Some people could be sent on a bad trip due to it.
 
It is believe the trip on MGS is better, though I have not tried MGS, only HBWR

very surprised people are saying lsa>lsd. lsa feals so lifeless compared to lsd.
way less visuals to mindfuk ratio. for me, to get any sign of visuals I have to reach a fucked up mind state, and for that to happen I'll have to endure a shitload of stomach pain - which pushes hard for a bad trip.

Nearly all extractions on the net are shit, and take away the life of the trip from eating the seeds. I could only see one way of getting an xtract without losing ANY of the life the seeds have; a pure alcohol xtract. But I have not tried such, I have only xperience with isopropyl alcohol extract.

I miss acid
 
Ok, LSD is definately better, but LSA is a great psychedelic. I dont get the bad body load anymore...it just feels chill and warm to me now, and it's very visual...but no drastic OEV's like acid. though i've gotten close with high dose MG trips.

I really like the LSA headspace though..it's really varied..sometimes i feel like im on MDMA, sometimes it feels like a really dark DXM trip. And really, there is something to be said about natural psychedelics. I dunno, just my opinion.
 
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