cause the baking soda....quit calling it "bicarbonate" only removes one molecule transforming HCL to rock with all the garbage still there less whatever is not water soluble...the ammonia...is a lil different.. but way better for puritytek1 said:
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Cocaine Le Junk's Cocaine Purification Megathread v. The Final Word
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"I know that ammonia is better in the matter that it leaves no residues from itself like sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) does."
Yes ammonia is better concerning the traces of the basifyifying agent in the final product. I know that.
I asked that WHY would ammonia remove ephedrine psuedoephedrine, amphetamine, caffeine, procaine and lidocaine from your freebase BETTER than sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)?
In both cases it is just adding a base in the purpose of cocaine leaving it's HCl tail so molecule becomes basic.
Yes ammonia is better concerning the traces of the basifyifying agent in the final product. I know that.
I asked that WHY would ammonia remove ephedrine psuedoephedrine, amphetamine, caffeine, procaine and lidocaine from your freebase BETTER than sodium bicarbonate (baking soda)?
In both cases it is just adding a base in the purpose of cocaine leaving it's HCl tail so molecule becomes basic.
<<--------------------------------hey thats a lightbulb!
uggghhhh....ammonia being a cleaning product actually cleans the coke ....so cuts are separated....lol... I know a guy that also uses PERT brand hair shampoo to make base or crack cocaine.... he says the rocks are both "bouncin and behavin" and gives the crack a "beautiful full feel and way better body" compared to other methods.... and I have not confirmed the thing I saw about using that OXYCLEAN detergent shit ...I thought I saw a infomercial with a dude named BILLY .... I think making crack with that OXYCLEAN clothes detergent .... but it was like 4am and hell I might have been all F'ed up on the lil red beads I separated outta 2 boxes of Contact cold capsules...that shit is gettin hard to find anymore.... ... TEK didn't you answer your own question on your last post??? ok beam me up !!! 10/4 rubber ducky ...we got a convoy%)
uggghhhh....ammonia being a cleaning product actually cleans the coke ....so cuts are separated....lol... I know a guy that also uses PERT brand hair shampoo to make base or crack cocaine.... he says the rocks are both "bouncin and behavin" and gives the crack a "beautiful full feel and way better body" compared to other methods.... and I have not confirmed the thing I saw about using that OXYCLEAN detergent shit ...I thought I saw a infomercial with a dude named BILLY .... I think making crack with that OXYCLEAN clothes detergent .... but it was like 4am and hell I might have been all F'ed up on the lil red beads I separated outta 2 boxes of Contact cold capsules...that shit is gettin hard to find anymore.... ... TEK didn't you answer your own question on your last post??? ok beam me up !!! 10/4 rubber ducky ...we got a convoy%)
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Ok, first, don't think I don't understand this. This is not an issue for me though. I understand the chemistry quite well, so it didn't make sense to me, that's why I asked. In other words so you can understand too, I asked the specific CHEMICAL explanation for that, but nevermind.
Second, I didn't answer to the question by myself. I tried to explain it for YOU that sodium bicarbonate is worse than ammonium hydroxide in the matter that it might leave more traces of itself in the end product.
The point in the basifying is you make the acidic solution of coke HCl basic. Either with ammonia or sodium (bi)carbonate. When cocaine comes basic it doesn't dissolve in water anymore. SO the watersoluble cuts are left in the water. After that you can wash the base with water again to remove watersoluble traces, if there's any present.
In both cases it is just adding a base in the purpose of cocaine leaving it's "HCl tail" so molecule becomes basic. Once again.
"ammonia being a cleaning product actually cleans the coke ....so cuts are separated"
Ammonia makes amphetamine also freebase which is only slightly soluble in water, as is cocaine freebase. And cleaning agents don't recognise different cuts so they could choose which one they separate out.. (referring to your statement that the cuts are separated).
Ever heard of washing soda (sodium carbonate) ? that's a washing product too...
Why did Le Junk add different washes for ephedrine,amphetamine.. after turning into rock and back if rocking would remove them?
hmm..
Learn your chemistry before trying to make me a fool, I didn't insult you first.
We can move on.
Second, I didn't answer to the question by myself. I tried to explain it for YOU that sodium bicarbonate is worse than ammonium hydroxide in the matter that it might leave more traces of itself in the end product.
The point in the basifying is you make the acidic solution of coke HCl basic. Either with ammonia or sodium (bi)carbonate. When cocaine comes basic it doesn't dissolve in water anymore. SO the watersoluble cuts are left in the water. After that you can wash the base with water again to remove watersoluble traces, if there's any present.
In both cases it is just adding a base in the purpose of cocaine leaving it's "HCl tail" so molecule becomes basic. Once again.
"ammonia being a cleaning product actually cleans the coke ....so cuts are separated"
Ammonia makes amphetamine also freebase which is only slightly soluble in water, as is cocaine freebase. And cleaning agents don't recognise different cuts so they could choose which one they separate out.. (referring to your statement that the cuts are separated).
Ever heard of washing soda (sodium carbonate) ? that's a washing product too...
Why did Le Junk add different washes for ephedrine,amphetamine.. after turning into rock and back if rocking would remove them?
hmm..
Learn your chemistry before trying to make me a fool, I didn't insult you first.
We can move on.
hey easy.... lol... can't we all just laugh?
Hey chief ...lighten up....I was just joking...IE:"ammonia is a cleaning product so it cleans the yay" when you said "Why did Le Junk add different washes for ephedrine,amphetamine.. after turning into rock and back if rocking would remove them?"............. are you talking about the purification process at start of this thread?? ... if so that is not after rocking... but i have also read alot of other stuff about CRACK made with baking soda... and what was called FREEBASE that people used ether .... back in the day... also ether was used in old LeJunk process on HCL... to remove some cut... it really is simple ... and I am not chemistry literate.... I get by ... but as far as I understand from what I have read from all kinda sources ..... most on net so... I guess who knows if it is reliable info.. but makes sense to me........ ether and ammonia are the same type chemical... I can't draw you diagram on make up or how they exactly work but... the gist is ...both being from same chemical family do the same .... when making freebase ... which is diff than crack...the ether or ammonia separates the pure cocaine from all or most of cuts ... not the ether wash like LeJunk used on coke HCL ... it is ether or ammonia used in base process... ammonia is just way safer than ether...I have not made freebase I watched it done in 1980something... but I was young and f'ed up and did not really watch.... and that process does 2 things remove that molecule ... blau blau ... you know...we have already discussed that... and it also in that freebase process lets you get the cuts out prior to the rock coke... freebase.... all the bicarb does from what I have read and understand from talking to local folks that do that for a living ..... that bicarb removes that molecule but they lose almost no weight after cooking .. so all or most of cuts stay with the coke as it becomes crack... which for my understanding ... is just poor mans freebase... but has all the garbage still in it that was in the HCL... I can't give ya the chemical process that makes it all work...it just is simple ... both similar process that do same thing except one is keeping the garbage (CRACK) .... and the other is pure crack... (FREEBASE) ... I thought that crack was same as what I watched in the 80s when making freebase but I was surprised to read it is not the same ... anyway.. lets move on the understanding women... now thats a chemical process... that nobody knows how works!!!!![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Hey chief ...lighten up....I was just joking...IE:"ammonia is a cleaning product so it cleans the yay" when you said "Why did Le Junk add different washes for ephedrine,amphetamine.. after turning into rock and back if rocking would remove them?"............. are you talking about the purification process at start of this thread?? ... if so that is not after rocking... but i have also read alot of other stuff about CRACK made with baking soda... and what was called FREEBASE that people used ether .... back in the day... also ether was used in old LeJunk process on HCL... to remove some cut... it really is simple ... and I am not chemistry literate.... I get by ... but as far as I understand from what I have read from all kinda sources ..... most on net so... I guess who knows if it is reliable info.. but makes sense to me........ ether and ammonia are the same type chemical... I can't draw you diagram on make up or how they exactly work but... the gist is ...both being from same chemical family do the same .... when making freebase ... which is diff than crack...the ether or ammonia separates the pure cocaine from all or most of cuts ... not the ether wash like LeJunk used on coke HCL ... it is ether or ammonia used in base process... ammonia is just way safer than ether...I have not made freebase I watched it done in 1980something... but I was young and f'ed up and did not really watch.... and that process does 2 things remove that molecule ... blau blau ... you know...we have already discussed that... and it also in that freebase process lets you get the cuts out prior to the rock coke... freebase.... all the bicarb does from what I have read and understand from talking to local folks that do that for a living ..... that bicarb removes that molecule but they lose almost no weight after cooking .. so all or most of cuts stay with the coke as it becomes crack... which for my understanding ... is just poor mans freebase... but has all the garbage still in it that was in the HCL... I can't give ya the chemical process that makes it all work...it just is simple ... both similar process that do same thing except one is keeping the garbage (CRACK) .... and the other is pure crack... (FREEBASE) ... I thought that crack was same as what I watched in the 80s when making freebase but I was surprised to read it is not the same ... anyway.. lets move on the understanding women... now thats a chemical process... that nobody knows how works!!!!
hey guys, what up? I was wondering I have heard that drinkin and coke is dangerous but magically I have not known anyone having any harm over this? so my question is since according to this thread im only gettin shit cola, does anyone know if drinkin and amph is bad? or drinkin and any other cuts mentioned are bad?
It's not really dangerous. Alcohol prolongs (enchances) the effect of a line somewhat. Drinking moderately is also reported to mellow the high a bit and to prevent involuntary face twitching. It's a question of quantity. Words like "dangerous" should be kept for bad interactions like E + DXM or stimulants + IMAO etc. I would say 80% of coke/crack users drink some alcohol while doing it. Tradition has it that whisky is the drink that goes down well with coke but that's probably only a superstition. In South America they also say you should drink spirits (licor), not things like beer, but I don't see any hard reason here either.berserk said:
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cumin-renoi
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thank you very much, this has been usefull indeed.
i tried it ghetto style ,hopped up on speed with a cofee filter, a trash can, a desk lamp, a glass thingy i found somewhere, and a sheet of bounty. i did however buy chemichal supplier acetone, wich i suppose was good enough (dropped a little on my hand and it burned like hell). i used half a gram of product, ended up with about .2 grams, currently under said desk lamp, and gonna toast the stuff tomorow. i had to guess what 7 ml of iliquid were, cause i aint got nothing precise enough to measure that. seems to be the equivalent of a perfume sample. seems like the final product will be good, starting to look like spanish (from like spain in europe) stuff.
by the way, during the humid months, when coke gets clumpy and unsnortable, puting it in the toaster oven for like 45 seconds makes it all crispy and stuff ...
i tried it ghetto style ,hopped up on speed with a cofee filter, a trash can, a desk lamp, a glass thingy i found somewhere, and a sheet of bounty. i did however buy chemichal supplier acetone, wich i suppose was good enough (dropped a little on my hand and it burned like hell). i used half a gram of product, ended up with about .2 grams, currently under said desk lamp, and gonna toast the stuff tomorow. i had to guess what 7 ml of iliquid were, cause i aint got nothing precise enough to measure that. seems to be the equivalent of a perfume sample. seems like the final product will be good, starting to look like spanish (from like spain in europe) stuff.
by the way, during the humid months, when coke gets clumpy and unsnortable, puting it in the toaster oven for like 45 seconds makes it all crispy and stuff ...
Alllllllrighty then!
Bought 3 grams, did three washes as follows.
Made Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulphate) anhydrous by placing in microwave safe dish until sizzling stopped, and then some. It looked a very clean white, and was awfully hard. Crushed that into a fine powder with my trusty mortar and pestle. I placed 10 grams of this into my 1 quart Acetone container from Home Despot.
Much shaking was followed. After numerous periods of shaking, and about 3 hours of settling, I drew some of the top acetone off to analyze. Evaporated very quickly, with no residue. Yay! Moving on.
I took a 50mL screw top test tube, and placed 3 grams cocaine (finely crushed with a spoon) into the test tube. 30mLs of anhydrous acetone followed. I screwed the cap on, and shook the fuck out of that beast.
I wish I had a centrifuge.
Let settle for a bit, and poured off as much acetone only as I could into a coffee filter/funnel into a beaker. I added 25mL acetone to the test tube, and repeated the shake. I poured this off again, and repeated one more time. I finagled as much of the gooey white coke into the filter as I could (that stuff likes to stick to the bottom!)
I put about 10mL acetone through the filter once more. (doesn't hurt to be thorough...)
Let most of the acetone filter through, and selected a shallow glass microwavable plate to use next.
I carefully ripped the filter down the side, and scraped the precious sludge onto the plate. I spread this as thin as I could to increase surface area and speed evap. time, and when it had dried a bit more, I placed this into the microwave. (Note: it is very dangerous to place anything that has solvent in it in a microwave. I felt safe in the amount I was using, and I previously moved all solvent away from the microwave. This was also done in a well ventilated room.)
I microwaved for 3:30 minutes, checked on it, chopped it up, and I don't know about you guys, but my sense of taste is WAY better than my sense of smell. So after tasting that unique sweetness, (acetone left in there!) I popped it back into the microwave. I continued microwaving, chopping, and tasting the tiniest amounts until there was absolutely no discernable taste. (except coke of course) After that I nuked it for an extra 2 minutes just to be sure.
By this time, the coke was about as fluffy and white as I could ever have imagined. I managed to end with about 2.1 grams of final beautiful product. I'm sitting here right now with some leftovers and a fucking numb as hell mouth.
Good stuff LeJunk, Thanks!
Bought 3 grams, did three washes as follows.
Made Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulphate) anhydrous by placing in microwave safe dish until sizzling stopped, and then some. It looked a very clean white, and was awfully hard. Crushed that into a fine powder with my trusty mortar and pestle. I placed 10 grams of this into my 1 quart Acetone container from Home Despot.
Much shaking was followed. After numerous periods of shaking, and about 3 hours of settling, I drew some of the top acetone off to analyze. Evaporated very quickly, with no residue. Yay! Moving on.
I took a 50mL screw top test tube, and placed 3 grams cocaine (finely crushed with a spoon) into the test tube. 30mLs of anhydrous acetone followed. I screwed the cap on, and shook the fuck out of that beast.
I wish I had a centrifuge.
Let settle for a bit, and poured off as much acetone only as I could into a coffee filter/funnel into a beaker. I added 25mL acetone to the test tube, and repeated the shake. I poured this off again, and repeated one more time. I finagled as much of the gooey white coke into the filter as I could (that stuff likes to stick to the bottom!)
I put about 10mL acetone through the filter once more. (doesn't hurt to be thorough...)
Let most of the acetone filter through, and selected a shallow glass microwavable plate to use next.
I carefully ripped the filter down the side, and scraped the precious sludge onto the plate. I spread this as thin as I could to increase surface area and speed evap. time, and when it had dried a bit more, I placed this into the microwave. (Note: it is very dangerous to place anything that has solvent in it in a microwave. I felt safe in the amount I was using, and I previously moved all solvent away from the microwave. This was also done in a well ventilated room.)
I microwaved for 3:30 minutes, checked on it, chopped it up, and I don't know about you guys, but my sense of taste is WAY better than my sense of smell. So after tasting that unique sweetness, (acetone left in there!) I popped it back into the microwave. I continued microwaving, chopping, and tasting the tiniest amounts until there was absolutely no discernable taste. (except coke of course) After that I nuked it for an extra 2 minutes just to be sure.
By this time, the coke was about as fluffy and white as I could ever have imagined. I managed to end with about 2.1 grams of final beautiful product. I'm sitting here right now with some leftovers and a fucking numb as hell mouth.
Good stuff LeJunk, Thanks!
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Le Junk
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Aztec said:Alllllllrighty then!
Bought 3 grams, did three washes as follows.
Made Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulphate) anhydrous by placing in microwave safe dish until sizzling stopped, and then some. It looked a very clean white, and was awfully hard. Crushed that into a fine powder with my trusty mortar and pestle. I placed 10 grams of this into my 1 quart Acetone container from Home Despot.
Much shaking was followed. After numerous periods of shaking, and about 3 hours of settling, I drew some of the top acetone off to analyze. Evaporated very quickly, with no residue. Yay! Moving on.
I took a 50mL screw top test tube, and placed 3 grams cocaine (finely crushed with a spoon) into the test tube. 30mLs of anhydrous acetone followed. I screwed the cap on, and shook the fuck out of that beast.
I wish I had a centrifuge.
Let settle for a bit, and poured off as much acetone only as I could into a coffee filter/funnel into a beaker. I added 25mL acetone to the test tube, and repeated the shake. I poured this off again, and repeated one more time. I finagled as much of the gooey white coke into the filter as I could (that stuff likes to stick to the bottom!)
I put about 10mL acetone through the filter once more. (doesn't hurt to be thorough...)
Let most of the acetone filter through, and selected a shallow glass microwavable plate to use next.
I carefully ripped the filter down the side, and scraped the precious sludge onto the plate. I spread this as thin as I could to increase surface area and speed evap. time, and when it had dried a bit more, I placed this into the microwave. (Note: it is very dangerous to place anything that has solvent in it in a microwave. I felt safe in the amount I was using, and I previously moved all solvent away from the microwave. This was also done in a well ventilated room.)
I microwaved for 3:30 minutes, checked on it, chopped it up, and I don't know about you guys, but my sense of taste is WAY better than my sense of smell. So after tasting that unique sweetness, (acetone left in there!) I popped it back into the microwave. I continued microwaving, chopping, and tasting the tiniest amounts until there was absolutely no discernable taste. (except coke of course) After that I nuked it for an extra 2 minutes just to be sure.
By this time, the coke was about as fluffy and white as I could ever have imagined. I managed to end with about 2.1 grams of final beautiful product. I'm sitting here right now with some leftovers and a fucking numb as hell mouth.
Good stuff LeJunk, Thanks!
Your welcome, sir!
Le Junk......................at your service
OverDriven
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Aztec said:Alllllllrighty then!
Bought 3 grams, did three washes as follows.
Made Epsom Salts (Magnesium Sulphate) anhydrous by placing in microwave safe dish until sizzling stopped, and then some. It looked a very clean white, and was awfully hard. Crushed that into a fine powder with my trusty mortar and pestle. I placed 10 grams of this into my 1 quart Acetone container from Home Despot.
Much shaking was followed. After numerous periods of shaking, and about 3 hours of settling, I drew some of the top acetone off to analyze. Evaporated very quickly, with no residue. Yay! Moving on.
I took a 50mL screw top test tube, and placed 3 grams cocaine (finely crushed with a spoon) into the test tube. 30mLs of anhydrous acetone followed. I screwed the cap on, and shook the fuck out of that beast.
I wish I had a centrifuge.
Let settle for a bit, and poured off as much acetone only as I could into a coffee filter/funnel into a beaker. I added 25mL acetone to the test tube, and repeated the shake. I poured this off again, and repeated one more time. I finagled as much of the gooey white coke into the filter as I could (that stuff likes to stick to the bottom!)
I put about 10mL acetone through the filter once more. (doesn't hurt to be thorough...)
Let most of the acetone filter through, and selected a shallow glass microwavable plate to use next.
I carefully ripped the filter down the side, and scraped the precious sludge onto the plate. I spread this as thin as I could to increase surface area and speed evap. time, and when it had dried a bit more, I placed this into the microwave. (Note: it is very dangerous to place anything that has solvent in it in a microwave. I felt safe in the amount I was using, and I previously moved all solvent away from the microwave. This was also done in a well ventilated room.)
I microwaved for 3:30 minutes, checked on it, chopped it up, and I don't know about you guys, but my sense of taste is WAY better than my sense of smell. So after tasting that unique sweetness, (acetone left in there!) I popped it back into the microwave. I continued microwaving, chopping, and tasting the tiniest amounts until there was absolutely no discernable taste. (except coke of course) After that I nuked it for an extra 2 minutes just to be sure.
By this time, the coke was about as fluffy and white as I could ever have imagined. I managed to end with about 2.1 grams of final beautiful product. I'm sitting here right now with some leftovers and a fucking numb as hell mouth.
Good stuff LeJunk, Thanks!
So you are missing one thing...I want to know how the final product compares to the cut product. Details!
OverDriven said:
Aye! I did forget to put that here! My buddies and I each tried a line before the cleaning, and it wasn't too bad overall, but was terrible on the nose. A little too jumpy feeling too. After the clean, come up was ace, with absolutely zero jaw clenching and a nice smooth comedown.
Not going to settle for less, not gonna lie.
Le Junk
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Aztec said:Aye! I did forget to put that here! My buddies and I each tried a line before the cleaning, and it wasn't too bad overall, but was terrible on the nose. A little too jumpy feeling too. After the clean, come up was ace, with absolutely zero jaw clenching and a nice smooth comedown.
Not going to settle for less, not gonna lie.
Sweeet! Welp, it appears my work is done here.
Glad your having a great time. And ya' gotta love the lack of burn. Priceless!
Le Junk
P.S. Should I swing on over?
call Yaytesters...for all your QC needs!!!
yea I'll second that.....an outside quality control person might be needed....I will be the yay test monkey lolLe Junk said:Sweeet! Welp, it appears my work is done here.
Glad your having a great time. And ya' gotta love the lack of burn. Priceless!
Le Junk
P.S. Should I swing on over?
Le Junk said:Sweeet! Welp, it appears my work is done here.
Glad your having a great time. And ya' gotta love the lack of burn. Priceless!
Le Junk
P.S. Should I swing on over?
Hey LeJunk- after cleaning and it being that fluffy. That's a good place for the humidor we chatted bout. It will pull moisture out of the air quicker. A great place to keep it stored. PLus it seems to clean the acetone out or at least the after taste of it if any is left over.
AZTEC-nicely done. I tried your method and worked quite well and expedited results. Did you have any left over and tried it the next day or day after? Any comparison?
Also a heads up. Make sure the microwave safe dish is totally clean. My dishwasher must have missed a spot and some clumps bonded to it. Now I have some what I call "brownie blow." Tastes great and is less filling than traditional blow.
A nice rail with a chocolate finish and fortified with 8 essential vitamins and minerals!!!!
Thanks again Aztec
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plutobot2004
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what in the fuck is 100% water miscible acetone. will it work? thats what i have.
Acetone, the good and the bad
The only acetone I can find around my parts comes in plastic bottles. Does that mean that it is utterly useless, even if I were to go ahead and try to make it anhydrous. This is what they sell at hardware stores where I live. I was under the impression that real, or even decent acetone came in metallic or glass containers, but definitely not plastic. This isn't nail-polish remover, it was made for using with arts and crafts, but maybe it is incredibly weak.
So basically, can acetone that comes in a plastic bottle still be used for the Le Junk process?
The only acetone I can find around my parts comes in plastic bottles. Does that mean that it is utterly useless, even if I were to go ahead and try to make it anhydrous. This is what they sell at hardware stores where I live. I was under the impression that real, or even decent acetone came in metallic or glass containers, but definitely not plastic. This isn't nail-polish remover, it was made for using with arts and crafts, but maybe it is incredibly weak.
So basically, can acetone that comes in a plastic bottle still be used for the Le Junk process?
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test it out.
get a clean piece of glass or evaporating vessel, drip a little bit of acetone on it and let it evaporate
make sure acetone is only ingredient
also note, some plastics will hold up fine to acetone, and well, thats why you can find it for sale in a plastic bottle....usually hdpe
get a clean piece of glass or evaporating vessel, drip a little bit of acetone on it and let it evaporate
make sure acetone is only ingredient
also note, some plastics will hold up fine to acetone, and well, thats why you can find it for sale in a plastic bottle....usually hdpe
dankstersauce
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I'm not sure about anhydrous acetone, but there are tons of places where you can get acetone in a metal jug. at least in the US. The major home improvement stores and the largest retailer in the US and probably that hardware store that john madden advertises for.
but i think if you're looking for anhydrous acetone you might have to order it.
but i think if you're looking for anhydrous acetone you might have to order it.