Opioids Kratom Mega Thread v. 5

[phr]

Kratom is causing a decline in profits to the Pharmaceutical companies. People are quitting their addictive prescription pills and switching over to harmless Kratom. They needed the DEA to shut it down asap before kratom gains more popularity.

I highly doubt that the pharm industry has seen any decline in revenue due to Kratom.
However, they're in an industry that thinks ahead. Even run of the mill drugs take years to get to the market. Before their current drug hits the market they already have a roadmap for the next one after patent expiration. So the whole mindset of the industry is long term.

There was plenty of mention about kratom being used medicinally, and yes, they knew about that and I think it's naive to think that they didn't at least have some influence in the emergency scheduling. Just read the original press release, which mentions people using it for pain and to come off opiates as a reason for this...

 

[Ziiirp]

The DEA is dumb as hell. I bet when they heard about Kratom, they saw how it hits the opiate receptors and said "It's a narcotic! It's a NARCOTIC!" then comes the ban. Little do they realize the ban is going to result in more ODs. Fucking morons lol....

The assumption, that the mockernment exclusively consists of morons, can provide a persuaded impression of superiority. It is a human characteristic but in the end it only reenforces the slavery.

 

[4meSM]

Anybody has experience with crushed leaf? I'd like to know what's the best way to take it.
I normally use powder but this time I have a bunch of crushed leaves, looks like this:

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With powder I put my dose in a plastic bottle, add some water, mix it a finally chug it.
I tried grinding the leaves in a blender (don't have a coffee grinder) and the result is a fine powder with little sticks mixed together. I noticed it takes longer to come up and it's not quite a strong as the powder, but it usually lasts a bit longer.
I heard kratom tea is the way to go with crushed leaf but it takes longer to prepare, ect... I really prefer to T&W.

 

[Ziiirp]

Crushed leaves are perfect to just chew on (if you are man/woman enough to handle the taste ). The effects are more stimulating that way ime.

 

[4meSM]

Crushed leaves are perfect to just chew on (if you are man/woman enough to handle the taste ). The effects are more stimulating that way ime.

If I had whole leaves I'd probably try it, but this is just too powdery (but not enough to T&W effectively ). Plus I don't think it would be as strong, that means I'd have to take more to have the same effects as T&W. I usually prepare my kratom within 1-2min, drink it and feel its effects 15-40min later even if a have some food in my stomach

I'm starting to think I made a big mistake, should've bought kratom powder. This just seems like an inferior product (hope i'm wrong), I'm going to try the tea today.
I have 250g of this stuff! 8(

 

[Ziiirp]

Usually you chew and swallow the mush afterwards. I also made the experience, that crushed leaves were some waste product.

Rule of thumb : The bitterer the better. If it is not bitter at all, it is most likely junk or some maple.

Generally crushed leaf is superior (if it is not junk).

 

[4meSM]

Usually you chew and swallow the mush afterwards. I also made the experience, that crushed leaves were some waste product.

Rule of thumb : The bitterer the better. If it is not bitter at all, it is most likely junk or some maple.

Generally crushed leaf is superior (if it is not junk).

I made a cup of kratom tea and it is very very bitter so hopefully the quality won't be an issue. I also added a bit of ascorbic acid to help the extraction.
I'm going to drink it in a couple of hours, just put it in the fridge for now.

 

[Ziiirp]

Tea is the safer way to consume anyways. I hope your brew will have the desired effects. The bitterness is a good indicator %)

 

[Oxygal]

^I assume u fast before using kratom. I certainly did or wouldn't feel anything.


Actually, no. When I first started using Kratom I would fast because I read that was the best way to feel the effects. However, when I would take it on an empty stomach it would make me nauseated. I feel great effects eating about an hour before dosing.

 

[dopermoron24trn2ch]

Hi I'm a first time user I am looking to detox from shooting heroin using suboxin but I want to do it in a fast manner does anyone have recommendations on what kind of dosages and how many days I should take it

 

[MJNH]

I am curious what my doctor will choose to prescribe for me instead. I thought doctors are reluctant to prescribe narcotics?

 

[ckswife]

I take the capsules at 500mg each and the instructions state take 5. I've taken as many as 7-8 and sometimes I get a 20 burst of energy sometimes nothing. I don't take everyday have taken for about 2 months. I need the energy and euphoric effect, I have yet to feel euphoric. I have red Bali, red Thai, green Malay, meagnda Thai, and white vein Thai all capsules. I've heard so many people say they get that oxy feeling but I'm not looking to be sleepy. For my oxycodone makes me awake alert motivated and chatty and I could literally clean the entire house.

 

[Slow_Mobius]

I am curious what my doctor will choose to prescribe for me instead. I thought doctors are reluctant to prescribe narcotics?

instead of what? And they are definitely reluctant if not all out against.

 

[MJNH]

Instead of kratom, sorrry. newbie here ....with the ban on kratom coming up, i wonder what they will opt to prescribe to me instead. i've been taking it every day for about nine months now...not sure if i am dependent on it, to be honest.

 

[Ziiirp]

They probably prescribe nothing. That means I would not count on it. If they prescribe something it will most probably inferior (more addictive, more side effects, or no desired effects at all).

You should try to taper NOW and not rely on the advice of some drug dealer.

If you would be my kid, I would help you tapering down, then withdraw, then I would send you to a martial arts dojo for a few months (few times a week) and as soon as you have become stable enough the ass whopping will be inevitable.

No offense if you are not a kid, you come along like a 12-years old.

 

[4meSM]

Instead of kratom, sorrry. newbie here ....with the ban on kratom coming up, i wonder what they will opt to prescribe to me instead. i've been taking it every day for about nine months now...not sure if i am dependent on it, to be honest.

What's your normal dose? 9 months of taking kratom everyday will make you physically dependent but if ain't dosing too high the WDs could be relatively mild. You should follow Ziirp's advice to be honest.

So I made several batches of kratom tea and it does work but not quite as I expected, doesnt last very long at all either. I'm going to try to grind my leaves as much as possible and toss and wash them as I usually do with powder. I'll try to improve my brewing method as well, maybe I'll be able to get better results.

 

[Surfinjb]

So I'm a Kratom website owner. I had dedicated myself to this plant and providing quality and tried everything that I imported in to the country to asses quality and make sure it was safe (as in once I had suspected shipment contaminated with datura). As buisness grew I had trouble keeping up and find myself eating 36+ grams a day. Besides really enjoying it I have never been so productive and no longer found a need to drink. I feel I've always suffered from anxiety which was also medicated. Now with this impending DEA ban BS I am lost. This plant economically sustains me as much as the Indonesians I buy from who are just as worried. For most of the Indo people I've talked to with smaller setups we are their only buyers although some have found buyers in other countries and have suggested I move there to set up something which I'm sure is much harder than it sounds. Besides being faced with financial ruin, a baby due in a week, I feel the pressure to quit as I'm sure I'm on some list as one of the potential places to get raided. Looking around here I appear to be taking a lot of Kratom. Can anyone speak on tapering from larger doses or have experience leaving larger doses behind? FML

 

[Ziiirp]

Come to Europe. The mockernment is more liberal here in that regard (the pharmaceutical industry and the (pseudo?)-scientific arch, that is called psychology have not married here, YET).

In your case I would probably move to Indonesia.

The difficulty with tapering is to find an activity, that creates enough endorphines to fill the void. The cheapest path would be to reduce the dosage and simultaneously increase the route you are running every day. This is really the easiest way IMHO.

 

[Oxygal]

So I'm a Kratom website owner. I had dedicated myself to this plant and providing quality and tried everything that I imported in to the country to asses quality and make sure it was safe (as in once I had suspected shipment contaminated with datura). As buisness grew I had trouble keeping up and find myself eating 36+ grams a day. Besides really enjoying it I have never been so productive and no longer found a need to drink. I feel I've always suffered from anxiety which was also medicated. Now with this impending DEA ban BS I am lost. This plant economically sustains me as much as the Indonesians I buy from who are just as worried. For most of the Indo people I've talked to with smaller setups we are their only buyers although some have found buyers in other countries and have suggested I move there to set up something which I'm sure is much harder than it sounds. Besides being faced with financial ruin, a baby due in a week, I feel the pressure to quit as I'm sure I'm on some list as one of the potential places to get raided. Looking around here I appear to be taking a lot of Kratom. Can anyone speak on tapering from larger doses or have experience leaving larger doses behind? FML

I can't speak from personal experience on tapering because I only discovered Kratom about 7 weeks ago. I have read others state that tapering Kratom is fairly easy. I know one person was taking a large daily dose (similar to yours) and initially started the taper by cutting the dose in half. Then tapered a gram or so less every couple days after that. I'm sure others can give you personal tapering advice that may be more helpful.

I do understand your anger about the DEA ban. Kratom is what got me off oxy with zero withdrawals which is amazing. I am worried about going back to harder opiates once I no longer have access to Kratom. I will try my best to stay sober because my addiction almost destroyed my life. I think many people are in a similar predicament. It totally sucks and I'm sorry you're losing your business over a stupid government decision.

 

[Sobrietysucks]

Kratom is amazing I've been using daily several times a day I still feel awesome euphoria, pain relief , etc for months. Cut down on all psych meds including benzos. I'm also in a better physical shape now back to my slim self (ssri made me fat / eat a lot)