Opioids Kratom Mega Thread v. 5

[MushroomRyder25]

Hey guys, I made a request to get a front page article in the Support forum without much response. Feel free to chime in if you think we ought to have something on the front page about this sudden scheduling:

http://bluelight.org/vb/threads/802...-the-ban-on-Kratom-and-a-link-to-the-petition

At this point, any exposure we can get would be helpful and would say things look hopeful that there's a viable challenge to this scheduling.

I couldn't believe it wasn't front page news here. It's very disheartening....I've seen a "wax pizza" for what feels like six months now but a leaf that's helped thousands being scheduled isn't news. This is marijuana all over again...maybe in 50 years it'll be newsworthy.

 

[Airmid]

The dea is coming after kratom

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The DEA recently placed kratom, a medicinal plant used for millennia in Southeast Asia, on the list of Schedule I drugs, effective September 30.

Without a serious scientific investigation the DEA irresponsibly intends to subject anyone caught with kratom to long prison sentences, while effectively halting scientific investigation into kratom’s medicinal benefits and making it impossible to enact sensible legal regulations for kratom.

Many people struggling with opioid addiction have turned to kratom as a safer alternative, but now all promising scientific studies on kratom’s role in opioid treatment could be immediately shut down. Science be damned.

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Prohibition has failed, but the DEA is doubling down on its outdated tactics. Unless we act, kratom will join the list of Schedule I drugs and be pushed into the illicit market, subjecting anyone that possesses it to serious time behind bars.

Send a message to your Senators right now. Tell them to stop this DEA action before it’s too late.

We only have until September 30 to make a difference.​

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Didn't know where to post this as areay got infraction from DITN for no apparent reason.

 

[poodle448]

Can somebody please elaborate more on what's going on with the DEA and their unlawful plan to scedule Kratom? How can they do this, and why is this a thing?

This frustrates me and strongly angers me. I have been using Kratom for years now and I ace relied on it to help me with many things that doctors have not had any luck helping me with.

 

[Sobrietysucks]

Can somebody please elaborate more on what's going on with the DEA and their unlawful plan to scedule Kratom? How can they do this, and why is this a thing?

This frustrates me and strongly angers me. I have been using Kratom for years now and I ace relied on it to help me with many things that doctors have not had any luck helping me with.

Kratom is causing a decline in profits to the Pharmaceutical companies. People are quitting their addictive prescription pills and switching over to harmless Kratom. They needed the DEA to shut it down asap before kratom gains more popularity.

 

[altitudes]

I couldn't believe it wasn't front page news here. It's very disheartening....I've seen a "wax pizza" for what feels like six months now but a leaf that's helped thousands being scheduled isn't news. This is marijuana all over again...maybe in 50 years it'll be newsworthy.

LMAO, that's exactly what I've been saying...even Joe Rogan has been getting the word out, "meanwhile we have a fucking dabs pizza on the front page". ha

Please feel free to say something in the thread I made in the Support forum(linked above). I will bump it soon, but really would be great if we had more people speaking up there.

The petition is already over 100K btw! We need to keep it going though, would be awesome to really blow it the fuck up!

 

[Slow_Mobius]

Kratom is causing a decline in profits to the Pharmaceutical companies. People are quitting their addictive prescription pills and switching over to harmless Kratom. They needed the DEA to shut it down asap before kratom gains more popularity.

I highly doubt there is that much scheming going on between the DEA and big pharma. One very real reason, though, is that the DEA get more funding the worse the drug problem is in the US. The more drugs are illegal, the mote enforcing that is necessary from the DEA and the more tax-payer dollars they need

 

[Mycophile]

LMAO, that's exactly what I've been saying...even Joe Rogan has been getting the word out, "meanwhile we have a fucking dabs pizza on the front page". ha

Please feel free to say something in the thread I made in the Support forum(linked above). I will bump it soon, but really would be great if we had more people speaking up there.

The petition is already over 100K btw! We need to keep it going though, would be awesome to really blow it the fuck up!

Where did he talk about it and what did he say?

Was it on his podcast?

I'm a big fan of Rogan.

I've given up on this shit though.

I've always hated the war on drugs and the DEA and I think the best way I personally can get over it is to just try to forget that Kratom ever existed.

But fortunately for me I never needed it for chronic pain.

I feel REALLY bad for the people who did as they are the ones who will suffer from this.

 

[kleinerkiffer]

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Many people struggling with opioid addiction have turned to kratom as a safer alternative, but now all promising scientific studies on kratom’s role in opioid treatment could be immediately shut down. Science be damned.

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Prohibition has failed, but the DEA is doubling down on its outdated tactics. Unless we act, kratom will join the list of Schedule I drugs and be pushed into the illicit market, subjecting anyone that possesses it to serious time behind bars.

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Didn't know where to post this as areay got infraction from DITN for no apparent reason.

I merged it with the megathread

 

[swiftyp]

Where did he talk about it and what did he say?

Was it on his podcast?

I'm a big fan of Rogan.

I've given up on this shit though.

I've always hated the war on drugs and the DEA and I think the best way I personally can get over it is to just try to forget that Kratom ever existed.

But fortunately for me I never needed it for chronic pain.

I feel REALLY bad for the people who did as they are the ones who will suffer from this.

Podcast 843

 

[I cup]

Or on YouTube
" Joe Rogan discusses kratom "
It's 7.5 min. .......

 

[Oxygal]

This is a stupid question but I am curious to hear what y'all think. After my high wears off from a dose of Kratom, I become absolutely starving. I mean OUT OF CONTROL hungry. Does anyone know if Kratom depletes the body of any nutrients or chemicals?

 

[banana king 84]

^I assume u fast before using kratom. I certainly did or wouldn't feel anything. Then I'd get a nice buzz but after 2 hrs it'd be gone and I'd end up drinking alcohol to keep the buzz going.

Regarding this recent ban in the US, it was only a matter of time. I mean u have those comparing it to coffee, all while saying people will relapse to heroin if its banned?! Little contradicting don't u think? Coffee is hardly recreational, hence the lack of abuse. Look at the reddit forum where people were buying it by the kilo, when i used i never bought more than 100 grams at a time, yet even then I still got a little obsessed with it for a time. Opiates tend to do that.
And lets put to rest this idea that the pharmaceutical companies are afraid of kratom. I'd wager less than 5% of people even heard of it. It took me multiple attempts to feel the effects, and was never that great since the threshold of "feeling good" and "too much" were so close that I'd often end up feeling dizzy and nauseous in my attempt to have fun. And if u tried taking it on a full stomach u were just wasting it, very unreliable in that sense.
The first kratom I tried it was actually a liquid shot from Club 13, I had tried their salvia before with luck so trusted their quality. I MIGHT have felt something from their products, looking back it must have been very weak compared to Vivazen and powered kratom.
I usually had powdered, tried potentiating it with grapefruit juice but it never really satisfied me (once I felt the effects I always wanted to prolong them with alcohol, since redosing kratom is pointless). It also made me crave cigarettes even tho i had quit yrs ago. So all I can say is to stock up and enjoy this mediocre plant if u haven't yet quit, but when it's finally gone, i think you'll all breathe a sigh of relief.

 

[EphemeralOutlet141]

^I assume u fast before using kratom. I certainly did or wouldn't feel anything. Then I'd get a nice buzz but after 2 hrs it'd be gone and I'd end up drinking alcohol to keep the buzz going.

Regarding this recent ban in the US, it was only a matter of time. I mean u have those comparing it to coffee, all while saying people will relapse to heroin if its banned?! Little contradicting don't u think? Coffee is hardly recreational, hence the lack of abuse. Look at the reddit forum where people were buying it by the kilo, when i used i never bought more than 100 grams at a time, yet even then I still got a little obsessed with it for a time. Opiates tend to do that.
And lets put to rest this idea that the pharmaceutical companies are afraid of kratom. I'd wager less than 5% of people even heard of it. It took me multiple attempts to feel the effects, and was never that great since the threshold of "feeling good" and "too much" were so close that I'd often end up feeling dizzy and nauseous in my attempt to have fun. And if u tried taking it on a full stomach u were just wasting it, very unreliable in that sense.
The first kratom I tried it was actually a liquid shot from Club 13, I had tried their salvia before with luck so trusted their quality. I MIGHT have felt something from their products, looking back it must have been very weak compared to Vivazen and powered kratom.
I usually had powdered, tried potentiating it with grapefruit juice but it never really satisfied me (once I felt the effects I always wanted to prolong them with alcohol, since redosing kratom is pointless). It also made me crave cigarettes even tho i had quit yrs ago. So all I can say is to stock up and enjoy this mediocre plant if u haven't yet quit, but when it's finally gone, i think you'll all breathe a sigh of relief.

Tl;dr: "I don't like it, so therefore it sucks. I also blame my problems on drugs because they make me want to do more drugs."

 

[Sobrietysucks]

^I assume u fast before using kratom. I certainly did or wouldn't feel anything. Then I'd get a nice buzz but after 2 hrs it'd be gone and I'd end up drinking alcohol to keep the buzz going.

Regarding this recent ban in the US, it was only a matter of time. I mean u have those comparing it to coffee, all while saying people will relapse to heroin if its banned?! Little contradicting don't u think? Coffee is hardly recreational, hence the lack of abuse. Look at the reddit forum where people were buying it by the kilo, when i used i never bought more than 100 grams at a time, yet even then I still got a little obsessed with it for a time. Opiates tend to do that.
And lets put to rest this idea that the pharmaceutical companies are afraid of kratom. I'd wager less than 5% of people even heard of it. It took me multiple attempts to feel the effects, and was never that great since the threshold of "feeling good" and "too much" were so close that I'd often end up feeling dizzy and nauseous in my attempt to have fun. And if u tried taking it on a full stomach u were just wasting it, very unreliable in that sense.
The first kratom I tried it was actually a liquid shot from Club 13, I had tried their salvia before with luck so trusted their quality. I MIGHT have felt something from their products, looking back it must have been very weak compared to Vivazen and powered kratom.
I usually had powdered, tried potentiating it with grapefruit juice but it never really satisfied me (once I felt the effects I always wanted to prolong them with alcohol, since redosing kratom is pointless). It also made me crave cigarettes even tho i had quit yrs ago. So all I can say is to stock up and enjoy this mediocre plant if u haven't yet quit, but when it's finally gone, i think you'll all breathe a sigh of relief.

8℅ of human population don't have the cyp2d6 liver enzyme function properly and will never be able to use kratom. Maybe youre one of those people? Also do you take any drugs that inhibit the cyp2d6 liver enzyme? When I took ssri paxil I could not feel kratom NO MATTER HOW MUCH I took. Grapefruit juice is entirely useless if your cyp2d6 is wack. Not everyone is lucky to harness the power of kratom I'm sorry dude but that's the cold hard truth

 

[sekio]

8℅ of human population don't have the cyp2d6 liver enzyme function properly and will never be able to use kratom.

Kratom does not need metabolism by CYP enzymes to be active. That's codeine you are thinking of: even then, codeine's glucuronide metabolites are somewhat active - it is not 100% inert in slow CYP metabolizers. Mitragynine and 7-OH mitragynine are active all on their own and aren't prodrugs.

Paxil will interfere with the adrenergic parts of the experience though - kratom works as a mild norepinephrine agonist which is part of why it's stimulating at lower doses and provides its unique headspace. It does so by direct activity at adrenergic receptors, which are downregulated with SSRI use.

 

[banana king 84]

I definitely did feel kratom, it took 7 grams on an empty stomach. It just took some time to appreciate its effects. But its effects are subtle, I almost nodded on it a few times but then woke up clear-headed. It's really more of a stimulant, people in Thailand chew it while working. I used to become really impatient on it, I wanted to talk but not listen for instance.
I guess explaining why its not that popular (people are excited Joe Rogan mentioned it, the most famous person so far) is hard. If it was this great high it would've been banned like everything else 100 yrs ago. The Internet brought it to enough people's attention that made it feasible to ban from the DEAs perspective. Every spring there was a new batch of states banning it (i think 7 so far). I guess u could try kava if u still need some legal high. Like kratom u need an empty and strong stomach, but its effects are more like alcohol since it affects ur GABA receptors. Its also more expensive and time consuming to prepare, and taste awful, but there's no talk of it being banned.

 

[Mycophile]

^I assume u fast before using kratom. I certainly did or wouldn't feel anything. Then I'd get a nice buzz but after 2 hrs it'd be gone and I'd end up drinking alcohol to keep the buzz going.

Regarding this recent ban in the US, it was only a matter of time. I mean u have those comparing it to coffee, all while saying people will relapse to heroin if its banned?! Little contradicting don't u think? Coffee is hardly recreational, hence the lack of abuse. Look at the reddit forum where people were buying it by the kilo, when i used i never bought more than 100 grams at a time, yet even then I still got a little obsessed with it for a time. Opiates tend to do that.
And lets put to rest this idea that the pharmaceutical companies are afraid of kratom. I'd wager less than 5% of people even heard of it. It took me multiple attempts to feel the effects, and was never that great since the threshold of "feeling good" and "too much" were so close that I'd often end up feeling dizzy and nauseous in my attempt to have fun. And if u tried taking it on a full stomach u were just wasting it, very unreliable in that sense.
The first kratom I tried it was actually a liquid shot from Club 13, I had tried their salvia before with luck so trusted their quality. I MIGHT have felt something from their products, looking back it must have been very weak compared to Vivazen and powered kratom.
I usually had powdered, tried potentiating it with grapefruit juice but it never really satisfied me (once I felt the effects I always wanted to prolong them with alcohol, since redosing kratom is pointless). It also made me crave cigarettes even tho i had quit yrs ago. So all I can say is to stock up and enjoy this mediocre plant if u haven't yet quit, but when it's finally gone, i think you'll all breathe a sigh of relief.

Sorry but this is a dumb post.

First off, you keep saying people NEED to fast to get good effects from Kratom but that's bullshit.

I never fasted when taking it and always got VERY high.

YOU think it's mediocre, fine, but I LOVED it and so did many people.

I barely ever got dizzy or naseaus and felt it on the first attempt so that happening to you is just your experience.

Also redosing Kratom was NOT pointless for ME and always worked without fail.

SOME people say they feel that way about it, but not me and it always worked when I redosed.

Too bad it made you crave cigarettes, I never smoked so I wouldn't know but i bet it doesn't make everyone who smokes crave them.

As far as "we were asking for it to be banned because we talked about it a lot online" this is the internet age and EVERYTHING gets talked about a lot online no matter what it is, drug or otherwise.

The DEA is stupid and there's no way really IMO to deny they are doing something unfair and unjust to ban a substance with no real serious dangers associated with it.

Kratom has helped probably THOUSANDS of heroin and hard opiate addicts get off their more harmful opiates and also helped people with anxiety and depression like me and people with serious pain problems like war veterans.

This just reads like a weak rant about why you personally didn't like Kratom.

Well so what??

Lots of people did and the ban is VERY unfair.

 

[Sobrietysucks]

Sorry but this is a dumb post.

First off, you keep saying people NEED to fast to get good effects from Kratom but that's bullshit.

I never fasted when taking it and always got VERY high.

YOU think it's mediocre, fine, but I LOVED it and so did many people.

I barely ever got dizzy or naseaus and felt it on the first attempt so that happening to you is just your experience.

Also redosing Kratom was NOT pointless for ME and always worked without fail.

SOME people say they feel that way about it, but not me and it always worked when I redosed.

Too bad it made you crave cigarettes, I never smoked so I wouldn't know but i bet it doesn't make everyone who smokes crave them.

As far as "we were asking for it to be banned because we talked about it a lot online" this is the internet age and EVERYTHING gets talked about a lot online no matter what it is, drug or otherwise.

The DEA is stupid and there's no way really IMO to deny they are doing something unfair and unjust to ban a substance with no real serious dangers associated with it.

Kratom has helped probably THOUSANDS of heroin and hard opiate addicts get off their more harmful opiates and also helped people with anxiety and depression like me and people with serious pain problems like war veterans.

This just reads like a weak rant about why you personally didn't like Kratom.

Well so what??

Lots of people did and the ban is VERY unfair.

The DEA is dumb as hell. I bet when they heard about Kratom, they saw how it hits the opiate receptors and said "It's a narcotic! It's a NARCOTIC!" then comes the ban. Little do they realize the ban is going to result in more ODs. Fucking morons lol....

 

[Mycophile]

The DEA is dumb as hell. I bet when they heard about Kratom, they saw how it hits the opiate receptors and said "It's a narcotic! It's a NARCOTIC!" then comes the ban. Little do they realize the ban is going to result in more ODs. Fucking morons lol....

OR they might be even MORE sinister and realize that it will lead to more ODs and in fact want that.

I am buying more and more into some of the conspiracy theories even though I usually don't.

The DEA, Big Pharma and the Prison System probably all have things to gain not only through illegalization of Kratom but all sorts of drugs.

The system needs to keep running and people getting arrested from drug use makes money for prisons and the DEA and allows Big Pharma to keep their monopoly so there's nowhere else to turn for pain relief other than their really expensive opiates like Hydro/Oxy/Dilaudid.

I think at the highest levels there isn't even the INTENTION to help ANY addicts.

I think they all know the deal and that the war on drugs is all about money for the DEA, police in general, prison system, big pharma, etc.

I don't think they give a shit about over doses.

If they did they'd make it a health issue and send junkies to hospitals not prisons but they don't.

 

[Sobrietysucks]

OR they might be even MORE sinister and realize that it will lead to more ODs and in fact want that.

I am buying more and more into some of the conspiracy theories even though I usually don't.

The DEA, Big Pharma and the Prison System probably all have things to gain not only through illegalization of Kratom but all sorts of drugs.

The system needs to keep running and people getting arrested from drug use makes money for prisons and the DEA and allows Big Pharma to keep their monopoly so there's nowhere else to turn for pain relief other than their really expensive opiates like Hydro/Oxy/Dilaudid.

I think at the highest levels there isn't even the INTENTION to help ANY addicts.

I think they all know the deal and that the war on drugs is all about money for the DEA, police in general, prison system, big pharma, etc.

I don't think they give a shit about over doses.

If they did they'd make it a health issue and send junkies to hospitals not prisons but they don't.

You're right. If the DEA actually gave a shit about health concerns how come cigarettes are not banned? of course, because it's a matter of $$$. Billion dollar tobacco industry puts money in their pockets as does Big Pharma. So as long they share a portion of their profits, the DEA will look the other way.