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(JWH-018/1.5 mgs) New experience: Holy shit, I'm dying! Worst night ever.

The pipetting method works best with a laboratory pipet accurate to +/- 1 microliter and a solution with a 50-100 mg/ml concentration of JWH-018. Otherwise you'll end up with a puddle of EtOH and JWH-081 will likely end up spread over a large area, making it impossible to vaporize effectively.
 
I'm going to post my own trip report but wanted to respond to this one too...

First, OP, I'm really sorry that you had that reaction. Nothing is worse than taking way too much of something...:X

I have a SUPER high tolerance for THC/weed in general, being a daily smoker for over 20 years. Most of the time I've smoked has been in the CA co-op system where I usually purchased mid-high quality stuff so it's not like I'm used to weak strains.

The point being... the first time I tried 018, I took out two of the tiniest specks in the bag - so small that I had to check twice to see that the specks were actually on the foil before I smoked it.

About 5 minutes after I smoked that I was higher than if I had just blasted through about four bowls (or 8-10 hits) of premium weed.

JWH-018 is insanely strong, especially the first few times you smoke it. Gradually my tolerance built over the course of a month, but it's still more potent than weed for me.

My advice for first time users is to start with an amount so small that you think there's no way it can get you high... b/c it probably will.

I've figured out the ratio for 018 to weed for me personally and 1gm of 018 is roughly equivalent to 1 1/2 ozs of weed - as far as how long it lasts me and how high it gets me. Less than what would be contained in the tip of a pencil is enough to last me a couple of days.

If you go easy with this substance it's fantastic, but it's more potent than the strongest hash I've ever smoked so it's nothing to be eyeballing or guessing at. When in doubt, just take ONE small hit and wait to see how you feel.
 
^Haha, I like the title of your report. Glad you're enjoying the stuff, and didn't have an experience like mine. It's definitely really strong. I can see how someone would a high weed tolerance would fall in love.
 
I really like the JWH-018, haven't tried the 073...

Anyone know what the difference is between the JWH-018 and the JWH-073? I have been buying JWH-018 from xxxxx (no sources...) and their quality of JWH-018 is awesome plus their prices are probably the best I've seen in the US! The 018 they carry is pure white 99.7% purity, but they don't carry the 073 and even though I spoke to them personally the have no basis for comparison for comparing the two. In fact they told me to do a search on the web which is what I did. So I am asking if anyone can tell me what is different between the 073 and 018?
 
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quite interesting. not awful, not the greatest either.

ah, yeah this stuff is potent. the smallest crumbs, like 5 grains of sand (in two doses) were plenty! the come up is very fast, and the good 'high' effects are almost identical to the euphoric properties of cannabis. not bad..

but, there's definitely something missing..
i see it like this..

cannabis is organic. jwh-018 is man-made. one feels natural and the other is synthetic. etc etc.. words cannot fairly describe the subtle differences but you know what i mean.. and if you've had some you know exactly..

i definitely agree to treat it with respect. it was very enjoyable in the smallest amounts, barely anything - seriously. sorry to those who had such craptastic experiences.. i could easily have seen my trips on jwh growing towards negative (if i took higher amounts), and i have 13+ years experience w/cannabis.

bottom line: just be careful. paranoia & creepiness are definitely some things that can accompany even a little dose. but if done right, can be a decent alternative that's strikingly reminiscent of our good ol' friend, thc..
 
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It's more like cannabis is a synergistic blend of agonists and antagonists of different affinities at a variety of similar types of receptors. JWH-018 is a potent agonist at just certain receptors. Cannabis is very 'cloudy' and has lots more sensations and pleasant side effects.

The main effects - euphoria, analgesia, visuals, sense enhancement, munchies, are all there with both.
 
@ Coolio

You make a good point there. Has anyone tried to mix different synthetics to produce a broader spectrum of effects?

I myself have only had Spice Gold, which contains JWH-018 and possibly other cannabinoids. I thought it was quite nice (especially with some oxycodone) but the taste was bad and it's also expensive.

Importing RC's as RC's is also illegal in Holland via the medicine act. Since it is considered illegal to conduct research without a license. (this law sucks, it covers basically everything psychoactive)
 
first time me and my mates did it we all had very strong experiences, i don't think the fact yours was a brownish lump is a good thing by the way
 
Xanax from what I understand is prescribed to treat anxiety, acute stress reactions, and panic attacks not "pain".

You obviously never had a panic attack. It's an extremely painful experience, if not exactly physically.

Completely agreed. I have hideous physical pain in my chest, arms, and back during panic attacks as though I were having a heart attack. I hate when people who have never had panic attacks dismiss them as sheer "nervousness" and smirkingly advise the sufferer to man up and just deal with them. A panic attack all but eliminates the rational mind for the duration.
 
ok the the thing is with JWH-018 is you can get very bad paranoia and you may not like the feeling or uncormofrt in your chest but if you go along with everything and just relax stick on a film.... and just relax everything will go up hill but dont do it too much ive found that if i dont have it i need it and i start shaking like everwhere my hole body is craving it i cant even focus on anything but jwh abut when you go with it there is nothing better honestly just give it more go's and you will find the feelings get better and better..... and its ment to look like a white substance kinda like cocaine but more cyrstalized...
 
try some natural remedies

Well, never mind, I'm not better. I felt worse than ever a couple days ago. Luckily a very small amount of Xanax (.33mg) seems to make me pretty much feel better, but I'm trying to avoid using anything to fix this. Not sure if that's a good idea or not. I'm feeling a lot of anxiety right now as I type this, but I'm trying to fight through it.

Worst substance ever. It is very hard to live life sometimes now. Blasted JWH. Stick to weed everyone.

Sounds like you could use some alternatives that might be good for you.

Most of what I listed is for anxiety or a mild sedative. All natural

Erythrina mulungu - Mulungu
Celastrus paniculatus Oil
Elhaz Smoking Blend- google this... first (or one of the first) website you can find everything on this list.
Eurycoma longifolia - Tongkat Ali root- not for anxiety but I highly recommend this for you...

Piper methysticum - Kava Kava
Turnera diffusa - Damiana

There are so so many that you could try and see what works for you.
 
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I would like to preface this with a quote from blue dophin about JWH-018



Hey everyone, well having just obtained a small sample of some JWH-018, I decided to give it a whirl late last night after studying all day for exams, as a quick break before bed.

My two friends were over and were cool with it, so I told them what I was going to do and went off to my room to prepare. My JWH-018 came in a brownish lump. There's some debate over whether is what it's suppose to look like when it's pure. Only time will resolve that debate I guess.

Here are the important stats:

Dose: 1.0-1.5mg?
Admin: Smoked

substancecode_jwh018
substancecode_cannabinoids

I hope this is helpful

"Since my last post about the spice behind Spice, it has been brought to my attention that some initial toxicology testing has been done on the synthetic cannabinoid JWH-018. Before we get down to the details however, here’s some pretty weird background information – the sponsor and provider of these studies wishes to remain anonymous! Unfortunately, this makes the whole thing a lot less credible, but since this is the only information we have right now, let’s hope someone else can verify these things at a later date. So far, one professor (who also wishes to remain anonymous) thinks these are real, but as of yet, no one is willing to put their name down on any kind of formal statement. If you, or anyone you know, has the relevant expertise to look over these studies, please drop me a line!
Feel free to invent your own conspiracy theories, but for now, let’s take a look at the data. You can download the PDF documents in this Zip file [2.04 MB]
CYP450 Inhibition Assay

This first assay looks at the effect of a drug on specific enzymes in your liver. These Cytochrome P450 enzymes are responsible for metabolising the vast majority of drugs you might put in your body, so if you’ve got too much of one drug in your system (ie paracetamol/acetaminophen), then other drugs that are also metabolised by these enzymes (ie alcohol) may compete for these enzymes and so hang around in your system for longer. As you can imagine, it’s important to understand how one drug may affect the metabolism of another, in case of any disasterous drug-drug interactions.
Results: JWH-018 will probably interact with the metabolism of other drugs, so more in vivo work is necessary.
hERG Binding Assay

hERG stands for human Ether-à-go-go Related Gene. This gene codes for a particular type of potassium channel found on heart tissue. This channel pumps potassium ions out of the heart muscle cells and are critical in coordinating the heart’s electrical activity. Unfortunately, these channels are a prime target for drugs to bind to, disrupting their function. This can lead to “Long QT Syndrome”, associated with fainting and can lead to sudden death, so you can see why these kinds of tests are important. Here’s a typical ECG recording showing what’s called the “QT interval” shown in blue, which lasts for longer than it should do if these channels are disrupted.

Results: JWH-018 does not interfere with these channels. That’s a good thing.
Cytotoxicity Assay


This simple test essentially looks at how many cells die when you perfuse them with a drug. The more cells that die, the more toxic the drug.
Results: JWH-018 is not cytotoxic at low concentrations.
GreenScreen HC Genotoxicity Assay

This assay looks at how much a drug will interfere with our DNA. Typically, anything that damages DNA is bad news, being potentially carcinogenic, making the rationale behind this test glaringly obvious. This test was also performed in the presence of a fraction taken from liver cells, which will break down the drug. This not only checks if the drug will damage DNA, but also its breakdown products.
Results: JWH-018 does not damage DNA, so shouldn’t give you cancer.
Rat Repeat Toxicity Assay


Guess what happens in this experiment. A number of renagade lab rats looking for a bad time are rounded up and promised free drugs (kind of like Pleasure Island from Pinocchio; that shit was scary!). The rats are then dosed up and observed. Initially, they appear lethargic (read: totally baked) but a few of them died at higher doses. This appears to be down to problems breathing rather than organ toxicity, but only affected the male rats, who appeared more sensitive to the compound. The drug didn’t appear to accumulate in their systems either, but they did lose some weight, probably because they couldn’t be arsed to eat. JWH-018 showed a huge potency and was found to be tachyphylactic (my new favourite word – it means that more of a drug is required to reach the same state following an initial dosage).
Results: According to FDA guidelines, the human equivalent dose is 0.016 mg/kg but it should be tested in other species before this can be seen as reliable!
Rat Pharmacokinetics


Data is collected on a number of different “pharmacokinetic” aspects of the drug, such as how it is absorbed, distributed throughout the body, metabolised and excreted, which can help with the design of future clinical trials.
Results: JWH-018 is distributed well throughout the rat’s tissues. Metabolism and excretion are normal, with a plasma half-life of approximately 2 hours

Summary

Well, from the looks of these tests, JWH-018 seems to be pretty safe, but unless you want to piss off Ben Goldacre, it would be wise not to rely on this “test tube data” entirely. Also, like I said before, we don’t know where this data has come from, clouding the issue even further."
 
Good report. People need to be more aware that this stuff can really do you for a loop, try extremely small amounts first to see how sensitive you are, just a little bit of dust off the thumb at first. I'm skeptical that a 100 microgram dose (which is little more than a small bit of dust) produced a noticed response, but I guess it could happen to very sensitive individuals.
 
Good report cegli, and also surly1. My trip which I posted in the Trip Reports forum was very similar. I had the "photographic" vision and also the slow movements you both described.
 
Warning:

JWH-018 and other canabanoids alike are already banned in over 7 countries and is illegal in Kansas, Missouri and pretty soon, georgia. Look out for impure forms of jwh-018 and make sure it is pure before purchasing or consuming. The cats out of the bag, the DEA recognizes that this stuff is being consumed by humans and its effects are simular to those of the illegal drug THC.
At one time this stuff was a good thing, but then poeple started smoking the pure form of JWH as if it were meth and posted videos on youtube. and others, their expeiriences on the internet. It is stated that JWH is not a safe substance only because the long terms effects are not known as this is a new chemical. In the past two months herbal incence blends like spice and Mojo or even K2 have increased in popularity because it is a badass substitute for THC if you are on probation or if your job does urine anallysis.
In my opinion (based on reviews of other poeple who have injested pure JWH) i believe it is dangerous to smoke pure JWH. The only way to stay out of harms way concerning JWH is to only consume it in smoking blends sold in headshops. DO NOT SMOKE PURE JWH. You guys, this stuff is on its way to becoming illegal in the United States. There are ways to make your own blends so i recomend that you do so as much as you can afford to and stock up. Pretty soon we are not going to be able to acces JWH on the internet.
Im not going to attach where i found all of this info because i have spent the last three days reading about it using google and it would be impossible to.
For now, JWH and other canibanoids are LEGAL and have no known long term effects.
I believe it is dangerous to consume JWH in its pure form so dont smoke unless its in a smoking blend.
Consume at your own risk.
I have decided to continue smoking Pep Spice. I have never been a big smoker so i can make one g last for four to five days smoking only twice a day. So far, i have not noticed any negative changes in my life style or personal health, therfore i will continue to use JWH at this safe, moderate rate.
Soon i will be creating my own blend for personal use in order to safe money because i am ABAMF (A Broke Ass Motha Fucker)
Happy smoking!
 
In my opinion (based on reviews of other poeple who have injested pure JWH) i believe it is dangerous to smoke pure JWH. The only way to stay out of harms way concerning JWH is to only consume it in smoking blends sold in headshops. DO NOT SMOKE PURE JWH. You guys, this stuff is on its way to becoming illegal in the United States. There are ways to make your own blends so i recomend that you do so as much as you can afford to and stock up.

Your opinion is absolutely BULLSHIT. Nobody should be smoking extraneous plant material if they can smoke the pure compound. If anything is going to cause cancer, it's the herbs in the blend you concoct.

As far as recommending people actually buy smoking blends from headshops.. get the FUCK out of here. Are you kidding? Nobody knows WHAT is even in the smoking blends. That's the most harmful idea I've ever heard of, smoking random substances that you can't possibly know the contents of.
 
Yea that really does make absolutely no sense.

There is no reason to believe that these chemicals would be less harmful when sprayed on miscellaneous herbs. In fact, these herbs just add other potentially harmful substances into the mix and are definitely worse for your lungs because you have to smoke a lot more material than you would with pure powder.

Personally, JWH just seems to sketchy to be worthwhile to smoke on a regular basis what with all the speculation of carcinogenic metabolites being produced when it is smoked.
 
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