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JGrimez said:
No, you're just too unintelligent to actually listen to and understand what I'm saying. It's the Israeli government who are committing these atrocities. Like I said, I believe most Jewish people are good people but the majority have been traumatized and brainwashed into believing that every Palestinian wants to murder all the Jews. Which is simply not true. I have Palestinians friends (who live abroad) and they have no problem with Jewish people. They even empathize when innocent Israelis are killed. My bias is against bullshit and lies. My bias is towards facts and video evidence while being suspicious of claims that are without any evidence. If it was Palestinians holding Jews in concentration camps then I would speak out for the plight of those Jews. And then you'd say that I have a bias against Palestinians. Isn't basic human rights something that anyone can understand?


But as I've said multiple times, I've posted about the Lavon Affair (which I assume you had never heard of). It was an Israeli false-flag "conspiracy" which just means a covert plot. These covert plots happen every single day inside intelligence agencies all across the world. The fact that for some reason this seems implausible to you, is your problem, not mine. The term "conspiracy theory" being used as a pejorative was one of the greatest operations these intel agencies have ever conducted. The Manhattan Project involved 100,000 people and was completely hidden from US Congress. The fact is that there is plenty of evidence from the past showing precedents for what I'm claiming, but for some reason you deny that it exists, probably because you refuse to do any research on it yourself. Also it upsets people to think that governments tasked with protecting them would murder their own civilians. But again, we have historical precedence where governments were caught in plots that involved murdering civilians in order to further political goals.

And yes, small elite-level special operations teams are a fact of reality, not a fairytale fantasy idea. Recently Ray Wood, an ex-undercover police officer shared a deathbed confession that the NYPD and the FBI worked with him to make sure the two men in charge of Malcolm X’s security detail were arrested in the days before the speech. This was a good example of a conspiracy and compartmentalization, where someone is tasked with a job yet they are unaware of the bigger plot. Only a few people need to know all the details.


Just like all the stuff coming out of Gaza. Put it on mute. Easier to justify it when you can just turn a blind eye.


Yeah they're getting sick of unfettered mass immigration that's bringing problems from the 3rd world into developed, civilized communities.
The majority of people in all Western countries are opposed to these immigration policies yet the governments continue with them. They are not staying true to the wishes and best interests of the people they're supposed to represent.


There are plenty of incidents of Israelis/settlers massacring Arabs but they usually use firearms.
If you go back to when Israel was created, there are examples of Jewish terrorism against the British. In 1946, members of the Zionist terrorist organization the Irgun, disguised as Arab workmen and hotel waiters, planted a bomb in the basement of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. They killed 91 people including Brits, Arabs and their own fellow Jews. So a Zionist conspiracy which involved murdering Jews and Westeners to further political goals has happened in the past.

Also if you look at who's ultimately responsible for pushing large amount of Muslims into Europe, you might be surprised to see which groups and organizations are funding them.
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Protest in every city calling for the death of Jews may make them think they want them killed
 
Well of course all white people aren't oppressors, but in many countries they are the ones benefiting from oppression and in many situations looking down on other minority groups has become cultural. Generally its the government and laws doing the oppressing

The definition of white people has shifted over time, we should remember that the Irish were not considered white at one time in the US. It changes based on who is in power and their goals. There always needs to be an outgroup for the ingroup to look down on
 
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someguyontheinternet said:
Well of course all white people aren't oppressors, but in many countries they are the ones benefiting from oppression and in many situations looking down on other minority groups has become cultural. Generally its the government and laws doing the oppressing

The definition of white people has shifted over time, we should remember that the Irish were not considered white at one time in the US. It changes based on who is in power and their goals. There always needs to be an outgroup for the ingroup to look down on
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Same as people bitching about colonialism why benefiting from it. Good thing the west was , where else would everyone run to
 
someguyontheinternet said:
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should I show you the videos I've posted again, of "civilians" cheering on the terrorists as they arrive home with hostages? Or the one where a huge crowd cheers and records the public execution of an "Israeli informant" ?

are the people in the video wrong that Hamas was elected to power by a wide margin?

no question there ARE innocent civilians in Gaza, but I don't know if it's possible to calculate how many. You'd have to assume that some percentage of them are in lockstep with Hamas ideologically and want them to succeed.

You heard your boy Hassan make that comment about "baby settlers" right? And other pro Palestine people talk about no one is innocent on occupied land? So don't act like both sides don't engage in this rhetoric.

I think all children are innocent up to a certain age. It certainly isn't 18 though. You can be charged as an adult at 16 in most states even in the US. In some states as young as 13 I think depending on the seriousness of the crime.

We'll never know this because the "Gaza health ministry" don't release numbers like this, but I'd love to know how many total Hamas terrorists there are and how many are 18 or younger. I'd bet you that number is very high. The younger you are the more impressionable you are. I'm sure they count any deceased person under 18 as a child, which explains in part those inflated statistics...
 
someguyontheinternet said:
I have no idea what a baby settler is but it sounds like you're willing to explain it
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Hasan essentially said that if Israeli settlers in the West Bank had babies then those babies are also considered settlers.

Just like all people living in Israel are occupiers. And there are no "innocent" occupiers.
 
That doesn't sound like it somehow makes them not innocent to me. Perhaps they would be raised in a culture that would be violent towards Palestinians but until they go through with those actions, they have made no aggressions like their parents. They might also not understand their impact because of their biased upbringing but if they're exposed to the negative externalities of their residence in the west bank its possible that they may choose to behave differently than their parents.
 
I think immigration is fine, population movement and intermingling of culture is beneficial to the development of humanity and economies but its bad when its an occupying force pushing indigenous populations out from their homes and destroying/stealing their farm lands
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
What do you guys think about immigration and immigration policies, in generally?
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Controlled immigration involving people who can either benefit the nation receiving them and/or mainly from a cultural background that shares some values and history with the receiving nation. I would much rather Australia allow migration from, say, Ukraine than from places like India or Arabic countries. I support humanitarian inspired refugee resettling but in limited numbers and only if the people being resettled are demonstrably decent/valuable people, and if they do things like (hmm) chant 'gas the jews', goodbye 👋

I'm hesitant to allow too many people from developing or warring nations, too often these people simply import their extant issues. Hence the waves of terrorism we saw around the world after the 2016 refugee crisis. No thanks.

There is decent research which suggests that overly diverse communities lack cohesion and create dislocation and isolation. The rights of the citizens should come before those of the immigrants in matters where those two ideals clash.

Immigration can enrich a nation. It can also impoverish and splinter it when there's too much.
 
someguyontheinternet said:
My dude, white Americans chant gas the Jews. They're neonazis bro, did you not know they exist?
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yeah we know they exist. But they are ostracized and mocked as they should be.

but if you have roughly similar views and have Harvard or some other University as your sanctuary.....you claim you're fighting for Justice for the oppressed darker skinned victims....

funny how the optics change
 
mal3volent said:
yeah we know they exist. But they are ostracized and mocked as they should be.

but if you have roughly similar views and have Harvard or some other University as your sanctuary.....you claim you're fighting for Justice for the oppressed darker skinned victims....

funny how the optics change
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At least this guy apologised for saying that women and children being burnt alive was "exhilarating" https://m.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-769453

Because blacks cannot be racist, it's fine. He misspoke.

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Well, the reason I am asking about the immigration stuff was that we know that Palestine had small but apparently thriving jew community. Most were muslims. Then international community just so happened to decide behalf of the people living there that they had to take in absolutely massive load of jews from Europe. And I would have preferred them taking those people in gladly and living in secular state happily together ever after. But not everyone wanted that in Palestine and that was then followed by wars and stuff.

So, my point is that I am uncertain how coherent it is to support remarkably restricted immigration while also supporting modern concentration camp that was little by little constructed after the war by argument that "apparently palestinians can not live amongst the jews as so many of them were opposing massive immigration movement so they just need to be fenced" and the colonising of land following the displacement of natives and then going on about how bad HAMAS is when it is launching rockets arbitrarily at supposed jews and that needs to be solved by launching rockets on the palestinians arbitrarily.

Note, I don't support what HAMAS is doing, at least many of their acts, one reason being that I do not live by principles of heavily restricted immigration in the first place. And because many of their acts do not serve purpose, it is basically war-mongering terrorist organization. And I try to hold everyone same standards, where it is reasonable at all, which means I reject also bombing of Gaza by Israel. And several other reasons.
 
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These events of course happened over so long time and there are not many people even alive anymore that were in any sense responsible of what happened there soon after WWII, so, it makes everything just so confusing.
 
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