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Lol, you don't even know what I'm referring to.
I'm done with this thread for today. :hai:

Me too. And still you do not denounce killing any civilians who are Palestinian.

You make out i'm anti israel cos i don't agree that air strikes are only killing Hamas. The reality is you are 100% pro israel and hate all of Palestinians.
 
And who started this? Hamas. It doesn't matter whether there was an intelligence failure or deliberate conspiracy, Hamas didn't have to attack 1000+ innocent civilians.. no one forced them to do that. And not only did they do it, but the level of barbarity and butchery on display suggests they wanted to and not for any actual military objective. You and others keep deferring to some unproven conspiracy regarding Israel and using that as the jumping off point for excusing the actions of Hamas.
I was just debating this point with a work colleague. The argument is ridiculous- Israel effectively causing the October 7th attacks and not being able to respond militarily to them. At all points, the Jews are blamed and the Palestinians are stripped of agency. To the leftist woke ideology, this dehumanisation is at the core. Poor brown people cannot possibly be held accountable for their actions against a "white" European aggressor.

Anyway, I'm finding it interesting how Hamas and pro Palestinian people keep raging against the disproportionate attacks from Israel, while being silent about how Hamas requires a disproportionate amount of prisoners exchanged for Israeli hostages. The bias is so strong. I don't want to believe it's as simple as antisemitism but it's harder and harder not to.
 
while being silent about how Hamas requires a disproportionate amount of prisoners exchanged for Israeli hostages.

I saw people claiming Israel was dehumanizing Palestinians by giving 150 Palestinians for 50 Israelis, saying the uneven trade means Israel thinks Palestinian lives are worth less than Israelis....

:facepalm:

social media is a carnival of stupidity and trendy virtue signaling
 
^ I found an article that said the Jews were behind the Holocaust as well on TheThirdReich.de
That's irrelevant. Just because people get thrown in jail for investigating the Holocaust has nothing to do with Israeli military officials and Israeli witnesses stating that Israeli hostages were murdered by the IDF.
The fact that the IDF didn't show up for 7 hours (you can drive from the top of the country to the bottom in 6) is evidence in itself of involvement or at the very least gross negligence (which nobody has been held accountable for yet).

The second link is completely disingenuous and takes a lot out of context.
It's actually disingenuous for you to ignore the Israeli calls for genocide (which abound).
In order for them to remove the Palestinians (either by relocation or destruction) they must first try and convince the wider public that the entire population are either terrorists or terrorist sympathizers (not sure how a little baby can be a terrorist sympathizer but this is the type of logic we're expected to swallow).

The human animals are Hamas. I actually agree with the old man that it is an insult to animals to call them that.
I guess in a sense, as animals are often locked up and treated inhumanely.
You choose to ignore why Hamas exist, what they are fighting for and why they are able to recruit more members with each baby blown up by the IDF.
And if you consider Hamas the human animals I wonder what you would think of the military officials who choose to bomb hundreds of innocents at a time.

Even ultra-warmonger Wolf Fucking Blitzer struggles to defend the IDF bombing a refugee camp as they pursued one person.
CNN: ‘You decided to still drop a bomb’: Wolf presses IDF spokesman on Israeli airstrike on refugee camp

Also there's video in the post you still havent responded to that shows crowds of Palestinian "civilians" cheering on the terrorists arriving back from the attack with hostages...
So unfortunately, low-IQ people cannot look at a situation like this from more than one angle.
They don't understand how someone can be completely against violence, war, kidnapping and murder - while still also explaining why the Palestinians, who've experienced a brutal military occupation for 75 years, have a problem with the Israelis. I feel bad for Israelis born there as they didn't choose to be born into an occupying state but you have to feel worse for the Palestinians as they are born into what is akin to a modern-day concentration camp.

The links you're posting are just more attempts at dehumanizing the Palestinian people so that you can justify all of the murder that is happening. For some context:

It took 563 days in Ukraine to see 9,614 people killed (554 being children) and 17,535 injured (1,180 being children).
It took Israel a month to kill more than 12,000 people (4,500 being children and babies) and well over 25,000 being injured (more than 10,000 being children and babies).
 
There's been multiple attempts to have an amicable two state solution and it has been rejected every single time by the Palestinians. Who is really at fault here.
Probably the side offering bullshit peace deals and then continuing to oppress people while blaming them.

They also admit that they give ample warning. It's not like the Gazan's didn't know Israel was going to go mental after the 7th of October, they were given warnings to get out and during operations as well given specific warnings to specific buildings to evacuate.
You're excusing war crimes. So you think a million people can just get up and move in a few days. You're also condoning collective punishment, war crime.

I'm actually surprised that there are so many bleeding-heart war-criminals on BL.
 
I was just debating this point with a work colleague. The argument is ridiculous- Israel effectively causing the October 7th attacks and not being able to respond militarily to them. At all points, the Jews are blamed and the Palestinians are stripped of agency. To the leftist woke ideology, this dehumanisation is at the core. Poor brown people cannot possibly be held accountable for their actions against a "white" European aggressor.
Some people just get a flash of the headlines and think that this all began on October 7.
Even if this was a legitimate military failure and Hamas took hostages, it doesn't allow people to conveniently forget the last 75 years of the situation.
Do people actually want a solution to this conflict or do they want to continue rooting for their team and in the process tacitly support murdering innocents?
And it's obvious to anyone unbiased with any knowledge of the IDF, they allowed it to happen because the response is what they're really wanting.

Anyway, I'm finding it interesting how Hamas and pro Palestinian people keep raging against the disproportionate attacks from Israel, while being silent about how Hamas requires a disproportionate amount of prisoners exchanged for Israeli hostages. The bias is so strong.
Because many Palestinian prisoners are minors. They'll throw a rock at a tank and be locked up for a few years for eg. without proper trials. If you believe a friend or relative is locked up unjustly by an occupying force, then you would have no problem taking a hostage as a fair exchange.

I don't want to believe it's as simple as antisemitism but it's harder and harder not to.
Of course be sure to always call them antisemites as irrational, blind hatred could be the only reason for their logical arguments.
 
Israel isn't intentionally going out to murder civilians as Hamas does.
Well, they are.

if I look back in your post history will I find you rallying against the actual genocides in Syria, Iraq, etc? Surely , an innocent civilian crusader would have been vocal about half a million dead there? Millions displaced? Who knows how many "partially destroyed" domiciles...
Were you? Which groups do you give a shit about? I make racist jokes but some people are actually racist.
 
calling people weak low-T herd-followers is shitty quip. It actually has ableistic tone.
That was just directed at him personally.

But there was a study that showed low-T related to increased chances of deceptive behavior and high-T related to increased chances of truth seeking and speaking.
 
And it's obvious to anyone unbiased
Lol. Dude, you're possibly the most biased poster I've ever encountered here. It's why I basically ignore nearly everything you write.

But there was a study that showed low-T related to increased chances of deceptive behavior and high-T related to increased chances of truth seeking and speaking.
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Okay big fella 💪
 
I was just debating this point with a work colleague. The argument is ridiculous- Israel effectively causing the October 7th attacks and not being able to respond militarily to them. At all points, the Jews are blamed and the Palestinians are stripped of agency. To the leftist woke ideology, this dehumanisation is at the core. Poor brown people cannot possibly be held accountable for their actions against a "white" European aggressor.
The intersection of the leftist woke, conspiracy theorists, and pro-Hamas contingent, it's fucking wild. I'm used to feeling alienated as a conspiracy minded person so it's nothing new, but it really is strange to see people who will toot their horns in regards to Covid or 9/11 be so assured that they know what's going on in the current context. They have gotten so open minded they've become closed minded again, full circle!
I don't want to believe it's as simple as antisemitism but it's harder and harder not to.
You know what's really wild? How it was said at the time (during Covid) by a few astute observers that in many ways the situation mirrored historical episodes of hysteria - i.e. medieval dancing hysteria, witch-hunts, etc - and yet these words have just fallen in one ear and out the other with many of those who consider themselves "aware" and "awake". They have literally just witnessed a repeating episode of the collective psychology over those last few years and now they fail to see the parallels between what is going on right now with the rise in anti-Semitism and previous collective episodes in history in regards to persecution of Jewish people.

“History Doesn't Repeat Itself, but It Often Rhymes” – Mark Twain.
 
@JGrimez it's just that for those of us here who have witnessed your opinions on every issue over the past several years, the idea that you actually give a shit about the plight of the Palestinian people is pretty absurd. The only reason you're interested in this topic is because it is an opportunity for you to advance one of your long held conspiracy theories.

seriously, when have you ever gone out of your way to speak up for an oppressed minority group? Maybe I'm forgetting something.

all I hear is you regurgitating talking points that I've addressed 10 times already throughout this thread. Just feels hollow and insincere.
 
Ladies and gentlemen, those who are throwing insults around, please stop. I'm reminding myself of that also. Obviously, this topic is heated but "low t" and any other blah blah will just get warnings and stuff. Seriously, we're all adults, we can discuss difficult things without insults.
 
Lol. Dude, you're possibly the most biased poster I've ever encountered here. It's why I basically ignore nearly everything you write.
Part-Israeli Jew critical of Israeli foreign policy. You cannot get more unbiased.
And you cannot back up any of your insane statements. You just end them by calling anyone who disagrees an antisemite.

I don't need to insult people because the facts and logic are the only weapons you need.
I've asked plenty of you point-blank questions in this thread that you all refuse to answer.
Because answering them would put you in difficult positions.
You're already in a difficult position trying to defend animal behavior by labeling the innocent victims of that treatment animals.
War criminals have changed the definition of "human shield" to include - if you are a neighbor sleeping in the house next to a target.

Why do people care about this conflict?
Not only from a human rights perspective, but also because US-taxpayer money is funding it.
If you're aware that your money and support is going into such shocking attacks then the justification has to be a moral one.
WE are allowed to act this way because we are better. WE are fighting for the good
 
@JGrimez it's just that for those of us here who have witnessed your opinions on every issue over the past several years, the idea that you actually give a shit about the plight of the Palestinian people is pretty absurd. The only reason you're interested in this topic is because it is an opportunity for you to advance one of your long held conspiracy theories.
I don't understand the connection. For the most part I've just called out government corruption and criminal politicians. Obvious government lies that can be disproven by research.
I've never once condoned: the theft of land, ethnic cleansing, collective punishment, weaponizing migration, war crimes, violating international law.
I'm surprised that more people here can't call something out when it's blatantly wrong.

seriously, when have you ever gone out of your way to speak up for an oppressed minority group? Maybe I'm forgetting something.
The most persecuted religion in the world is Christianity. I'm constantly speaking out about their mistreatment globally.
The only race today that you can socially and politically be allowed to be racist against is white people. I also speak up about that.
The question shouldn't be - why am I speaking out for Palestinians? The question should be - why AREN'T you?

I just watched a video of Cenk Yoghurt from The Young Turks ranting and it was the first time I'd ever agreed with him. Crazy world but that's what I see happening, reality is going to blur as lies are dismantled and people are going to be forced to face them.

all I hear is you regurgitating talking points that I've addressed 10 times already throughout this thread. Just feels hollow and insincere.
You haven't addressed anything. You just keep ignoring my questions.
Do you think that all states should have to follow international law and the rules of war? Should they be held to account for war crimes?
 
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The most persecuted religion in the world is Christianity. I'm constantly speaking out about their mistreatment globally.
The only race today that you can socially and politically be allowed to be racist against is white people. I also speak up about that.

So I asked you whats the last persecuted minority group you've spoken up for and your answer is white Christians... I rest my case. :rofl:

totally makes sense that a person with that worldview would all of a sudden align themselves with Marxists and Islamic fascists in the struggle against colonialism (by who they see as a white oppressor).
 
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Yea white Christians are definitely not oppressed lol wtf

They're the oppressors in 90%+ of cases historically, you can't claim someone is oppressed when you start pushing back against the oppression that they are doing themselves

"You took away my freedom to call people slurs and lynch with impunity 😫"
 
Yea white Christians are definitely not oppressed lol wtf

They're the oppressors in 90%+ of cases historically, you can't claim someone is oppressed when you start pushing back against the oppression that they are doing themselves

"You took away my freedom to call people slurs and lynch with impunity 😫"

to be clear, I don't buy into the white people=oppressors ... just pointing out the hypocrisy of @JGrimez
 
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