Israel is under attack

[JGrimez]

So I asked you whats the last persecuted minority group you've spoken up for and your answer is white Christians... I rest my case.

totally makes sense that a person with that worldview would all of a sudden align themselves with Marxists and Islamic fascists in the struggle against colonialism (by who they see as a white oppressor).

A worldview that's honest and unbiased and sticks up for any race or marginalized group that is being unfairly targeted.
That's pretty liberal I would say (the old definition). Anti-war < remember that concept?
The problem these days is that many people have no values or they don't stick to them. Tribalism is so strong that it can make people go along with anything.

So you need to label me with a bunch of fancy words in order to ignore the question: international law, war crimes? Do you condemn?
Or do you excuse when these things happen - only if it's one specific racial class against another?
Why is one group above the law? Sounds pretty supremacist to me...

 

[JGrimez]

Yea white Christians are definitely not oppressed  lol wtf

I specifically said Christians when it came to religion - and white people when it comes to race.
I didn't say white Christians. The majority of Christians in the world are actually NOT white.
Christianity Is the World’s Most Persecuted Religion, Confirms New Report (CATO Institute, 2022)

They're the oppressors in 90%+ of cases historically, you can't claim someone is oppressed when you start pushing back against the oppression that they are doing themselves

Actually the oppressors can become the oppressed. It's just that collectively a lot of people are ok with the "payback" against what they perceive are generational oppressors.
Let's not take into account all of the slave trades and oppressive, colonial regimes over history that were not white.
Whiteys are the most recent bad guys. Even though they've more than atoned for their sins and white males were actually the first people historically to outlaw slavery (Scandinavia).

NEW anti-white racism from VICE:
100 Ways White People Can Make Life Less Frustrating For People of Color
The easy way to tell that this is antiwhiteism is you cannot imagine the headline: '10 Ways Black People Can Make Life Less Frustrating For White People' ever coming to print in today's mainstream media (even just reading that probably triggered off some dormant "anti-racist" synapses that have been fused solid through deliberate western political propaganda). Therefore it's racism, very simple. You're allowed to be racist against white people. My stance is that you should be allowed to be racist against either no one - or everyone. (JK racism bad, racist jokes can be funny etc disclaimer)

 

[JGrimez]

What do you guys think about immigration and immigration policies, in generally?

Legal, sustainable immigration based on some merit is advisable but what we're seeing a lot of now is groups guilty of weaponizing migration.
And surprise surprise because of the some of the recent heat on Israel, people like Ben Shapiro were forced to admit that some Jewish groups are supporting mass migration into Western countries.
He blamed the left wing groups of course but it's not just them.

 

[JGrimez]

Protest in every city calling for the death of Jews may make them think they want them killed

Yeah I doubt it. Palestinians (even Hamas) routinely state that their gripe is not with Jews, it's with occupiers.
Netanyahu's party also has a charter that calls for 1 state.
People need to start being honest if they wish to see a solution to the mess.

 

[mal3volent]

@Pissed_and_messed

There was never a sovereign country called Palestine that existed before Israel. There was an area called Palestine that was under the dominion of one empire or another. The Ottomans conceded it after WWI and it came under British rule. Britain then declared its support for a "national home" for the Jewish people in that region. After WWII, the United Nations approved a partition plan to create independent Arab and Jewish states in the British mandate. It was rejected by the Arabs and immediately after Israel declared its independence, the surrounding Arab nations attacked them. After a number of wars over the next few decades, eventually, Palestine declared its independence in 1988.

In 2005, Israel completely disengaged from the Gaza Strip. This gave rise to Hamas and they took control in 2007.

 

[mal3volent]

A worldview that's honest and unbiased and sticks up for any race or marginalized group that is being unfairly targeted.
That's pretty liberal I would say (the old definition). Anti-war < remember that concept?
The problem these days is that many people have no values or they don't stick to them. Tribalism is so strong that it can make people go along with anything.

So you need to label me with a bunch of fancy words in order to ignore the question: international law, war crimes? Do you condemn?
Or do you excuse when these things happen - only if it's one specific racial class against another?
Why is one group above the law? Sounds pretty supremacist to me...

That literally makes no sense whatsoever.

I asked you when had you ever spoken up for a persecuted minority. Your answer was : white people.

So I don't buy that your heart is breaking over the plight of the Palestinians.

And the only joy I get from this entire fucked up situation is seeing the far left and far right flounder and struggle to come up with non-bigoted rationalizations for their unholy union on this issue.

 

[-=SS=-]

Well, the reason I am asking about the immigration stuff was that we know that Palestine had small but apparently thriving jew community. Most were muslims. Then international community just so happened to decide behalf of the people living there that they had to take in absolutely massive load of jews from Europe. And I would have preferred them taking those people in gladly and living in secular state happily together ever after. But not everyone wanted that in Palestine and that was then followed by wars and stuff.

If you compare the situation prior to the formation of Israel, and Britain (specifically England and Ireland) today, you can see the difference in why immigration in some contexts works and others it does not. Keeping it short, look at what happened in Ireland last week (riots) and also the ridiculous immigration figures released for England; this is what happens when you cram too many people in, too quickly, in too smaller space, and many of whom have no intention of integrating and just want to exploit the system.. and many who actively despise the West too.

'Israel' was different. Large, sparsely populated land, with no real infrastructure or 'society' as such. There were people living in the area, Muslim and Jews, but no actual state. The grievance about land is completely understandable from the point of view of those who actively held land and were dispossessed, but that is not really relevant to the current situation given the overwhelming majority of Muslims alive now have no direct connection with the original context at all.

A two state solution was proposed at the time, one which would have ensured both 'sides' had designated land. But this was rejected by the Arab world and who then proceeded to start a war over it, which is ridiculous in itself given none of those Arab states owned the land themselves.. it was purely motivated by ego and religious belief.

As a side, in my teens over 20 years ago I recognised that immigration to the UK was going to fuck us up. And look where we are now! Fucking screwed.

 

[elgoucho9]

I think immigration is fine, population movement and intermingling of culture is beneficial to the development of humanity and economies but its bad when its an occupying force pushing indigenous populations out from their homes and destroying/stealing their farm lands

Immigration done sensibly is fine. However nothing is done sensibly the people in power these days. Surely all the hysteria around Covid-19 while leaving boarders open, or having policies such as ULEZ to tackle Climate Change should have opened your eyes to that by now.

As much as i support the rights of innocent people not to be bombed and left with nowhere to live. The clash of cultures taking say unvetted Palestinian refugees into the UK/US/Canada/Northern Europe WILL cause problems. Look at what happened in Germany who took the largest number of Syrian refugees in. They wound up with the largest rape statistics in the EU. This also caused the dawn of a new Far Right movement there.

The reality is Britain and America should stop interfering everywhere. Look at the current crisis we have here between Israel and Hamas. I believe it was Britain who came up with the idea to put the Jews in Palestine. At this stage as a nation we should accept and learn from the terrible decisions we made in the past.

 

[Pissed_and_messed]

@Pissed_and_messed

There was never a sovereign country called Palestine that existed before Israel. There was an area called Palestine that was under the dominion of one empire or another. The Ottomans conceded it after WWI and it came under British rule. Britain then declared its support for a "national home" for the Jewish people in that region. After WWII, the United Nations approved a partition plan to create independent Arab and Jewish states in the British mandate. It was rejected by the Arabs and immediately after Israel declared its independence, the surrounding Arab nations attacked them. After a number of wars over the next few decades, eventually, Palestine declared its independence in 1988.

In 2005, Israel completely disengaged from the Gaza Strip. This gave rise to Hamas and they took control in 2007.

Thanks. I wished someone would comment, had I mistaken. I guess I need to go further back in time than I had imagined to get any sense about "natives".

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Immigration done sensibly is fine. However nothing is done sensibly the people in power these days. Surely all the hysteria around Covid-19 while leaving boarders open, or having policies such as ULEZ to tackle Climate Change should have opened your eyes to that by now.

As much as i support the rights of innocent people not to be bombed and left with nowhere to live. The clash of cultures taking say unvetted Palestinian refugees into the UK/US/Canada/Northern Europe WILL cause problems. Look at what happened in Germany who took the largest number of Syrian refugees in. They wound up with the largest rape statistics in the EU. This also caused the dawn of a new Far Right movement there.

The reality is Britain and America should stop interfering everywhere. Look at the current crisis we have here between Israel and Hamas. I believe it was Britain who came up with the idea to put the Jews in Palestine. At this stage as a nation we should accept and learn from the terrible decisions we made in the past.

Reality Check: Are migrants driving crime in Germany?

The far-right AfD party alleges illegal migrants were responsible for 447 killings in Germany last year.

www.bbc.com

Migrants and rape: unveiling myths and facts about the dark side of the refugee crisis

Migrants in Germany have repeatedly come under fire for allegedly committing violent acts against women. But are those statistics misleading?

www.infomigrants.net

 

[elgoucho9]

I watched the whole thing on the news at the time. With german police and politicians discussing it. Also with the people there talking about it and saying that's what caused the far right movement.

Clash of cultures is definitely a thing when you move a large amount of people not from that country and have them all stay in certain areas so they make up a disproportionate amount of the population in that one area. I've seen it here in the nearest city.

The night that changed Germany's attitude to refugees

Sweden's migrant rape crisis

European liberals never ask uncomfortable questions about immigration

unherd.com

You could google and make arguments either way. Like i said i'm not anti immigration. But there in Germany for instance look how migrants they let in, then look at the same period of time how many managed to enter illegally at the same time. Ofcourse taking in that many people from a foreign land with different societal norms and customs is going to bring you some issues. And this is precisely my entire point. The people who mishandled covid and are using climate change as an excuse to tax you and turn it into a business, are not going to treat mass immigration sensibly are they.
The Global Elite are going to use mass immigration as another way to further destabilise society. That along with pandemics, lockdowns, and a whole host of other agendas where common sense is completely overlooked in order to further their agendas for the future, none of which benefit any of us.

 

[mal3volent]

The Global Elite

interesting to see yet another free Palestine person using this type of language
no offensive, just making a note

 

[elgoucho9]

interesting to see yet another free Palestine person using this type of language
no offensive, just making a note

What because you don't believe there are a Global Elite who control things? Tell me who is the biggest donor to the WHO. And then ask yourself is that not buying influence.

 

[someguyontheinternet]

Is it George Soros

 

[mal3volent]

Like I said, it's just interesting to note that everyone in this thread is either pro Israel --

or a Marxist

or talks of "The Global Elite" pulling strings in the shadows.

 

[elgoucho9]

Why does WHO rely so much on Bill Gates’ money?

Critics complain about the major role the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation plays in funding WHO, but who else can the agency turn to?

www.euronews.com

Lol. 88% of donations come from Bill and Melinda Gates. Other donaters include the Bloomberg family and the Rockerfeller foundation.

Imaging being a fully grown adult and still not grasping the concept that money can buy you influence and power. And that power corrupts.

Do you honestly think these families who have been in power for centuries want to give it up?

 

[mal3volent]

juxtaposing Israel or Jews with globalist imagery and talk of Global Elite pulling strings.... I swear I've heard this somewhere before hmmm

 

[elgoucho9]

Never once said i had a problem with jews though did i. I have a problem with people who think poor civilians should suffer.

 

[mal3volent]

Never once said i had a problem with jews though did i. I have a problem with people who think poor civilians should suffer.

It's just an interesting coincidence is all.

 

[elgoucho9]

I fine it quite ironic you paint it as i am the one who is in favour of persecuting any race when i denounced the Hamas attacks. Yet you yourself will not denounce the killing of a single palestinian and believe the entire country are terrorists who are better of dead, be it man, woman or child.

I'm out. Everytime i read this thread it gets dumber than the last time i looked. Posting pictures inferring i'm a nazi when it is yourself who has the nazi tendancies but your too blind to even recognise it.