mal3volent
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I didn't infer you were a nazi. I suggested that you are pedaling in conspiracy theories that sound similar to propaganda the Nazis used.
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I didn't infer you were a nazi. I suggested that you are pedaling in conspiracy theories that sound similar to propaganda the Nazis used.
JahBeeuS
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Can someone notify me when this thread gets moved to the dive?
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Reality Check: Are migrants driving crime in Germany?
The far-right AfD party alleges illegal migrants were responsible for 447 killings in Germany last year.www.bbc.com
Migrants and rape: unveiling myths and facts about the dark side of the refugee crisis
Migrants in Germany have repeatedly come under fire for allegedly committing violent acts against women. But are those statistics misleading?www.infomigrants.net
Huddersfield grooming gang - Wikipedia
Rochdale child sex abuse ring - Wikipedia
Halifax child sex abuse ring - Wikipedia
Oxford child sex abuse ring - Wikipedia
Derby child sex abuse ring - Wikipedia
This list is not even all of them.
Tbc, the reason for this isn't because the men involved were immigrants. There is another common factor here. And it's not that every male immigrant or even a majority does these things.
It's interesting how people who are so willing to call the Jews "colonials" (from where, eh?) and invaders will often be the champions of unfettered immigration. At what point does the immigration become conquest? Wouldn't it be good to avoid reaching that point?
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I was going to split the posts about immigration into a new thread, but it would make the last few pages here confusing. So I'm starting a new topic to discuss that in...
Immigration is different than a state actor pushing an indigenous people from their homes. Do you actually think those are similar? Do you understand English words? I'm failing to see where such an extreme disconnect is coming from. An immigrant is not an army coming to somebody's house with a gun an making them leave or even killing them. An immigrant moving to an area is not state sanctioned violence
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I don't know who you're talking to here, but if it's me, I'm not really a huge supporter of mass immigration and I don't really think the state of Israel is well defended under such a descriptor. Better called asylum seekers but there really isn't a good precedent for what the Jews needed a homeland for. You can't just act as if some powerful colonial force arbitrarily selected a territory to conquer and exploit when it comes to Israel. They had a tenuous claim to Israel in a hostile world that had just either tried to kill them or just watched while it happened. That creates a pretty strong motivation to seek safety at basically any price. They militarised only when they realised that their desired homeland was just another veritable lions den.
Driving the Palestinians from their lands was immoral and honestly deeply regrettable but the alternative was the meat grinder of Europe so unless you think the Jews should have opted for extermination, I think you should at least understand the dilemma they faced. And given the hostility of so much of the liberal West and the Arabic world, that dilemma is still driving israels policy because the existential threat is absolutely as genuine as it has ever been.
The meat grinder of Europe, because they couldn't have lived in the US? What, you think Britain would have tried gassing them too? That's ridiculous, there was literally zero reason to create Israel
mal3volent
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there was literally zero "reason" to create any country. Do you realize that pretty much every country on earth was made through bloody conquest and displacement? Have you ever taken a history class?
Israel has a better reason to exist than most other places.
That's a terrible reason, that makes no sense at all. If that's the case we might as well just take over Canada and Mexico right? It happened in the past so we might as well do it
Jewish people had plenty of options on where to live Britain didn't have to support the Zionist project, but hey Britain has always done colonial violence so what's a little more? Something happening in the past is not a good reason for it to happen again, that's utter nonsense
Jewish people had plenty of options on where to live Britain didn't have to support the Zionist project, but hey Britain has always done colonial violence so what's a little more? Something happening in the past is not a good reason for it to happen again, that's utter nonsense
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Karl Marx was Jewish.
He was privileged and he called the Slavs "racial trash".
"pro-Israel" could mean pro-racial supremacy.
Or pro war crimes. So people have to be specific You refuse to be specific.
For some people this must actually feel like cheering for your team.
An example could be Elon Musk. The richest man in the world (on paper - there are likely richer individuals).or talks of "The Global Elite" pulling strings in the shadows.
He also owns the biggest social media company.
He started to say some pretty 'controversial' things about stuff involving Jews or Israel.
It became such a problem that Netanyahu called for Musk to do a tour of Israel (and some people think - get a talking to - from arguably the most powerful world leader).
A couple of "global elites pulling strings" but in public. How do you think the world works and things actually operate?
I can't believe some people have been so conditioned against the word conspiracy that they consider powerful people some sort of sasquatch boogeyman. Sorry that Santa Claus isn't real but there's a guy who looks like Santa Claus someplace somewhere who has a lot of money and power and literally everything he says or does is in secret. Eventually you do experience the results of his actions.
The direction that Musk goes is yet to be seen but I wish him luck and it sure is entertaining.
that was not an interesting coincidence, you just call Nazi when you get pressed for explanations.
You would've got substantial bans if you posted those images on fb.
I find a lot of people are projecting I don't know how to explain it.
Or could be some mind-virus/collective psychopathy.
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I guess if you owned a house and land and someone forced you to leave, you'd just be like ok bye that sucks see ya later.
Why?
Most other countries are much older than 75 years.
Are people basing the Jews claim to land on the Old Testament?
Do we all agree that is not a historical document?
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The discourse you pedal in is similar to people who are part of the alphabet community and believe there's 20 genders.
Is that even relevant? Maybe. Because Israel is super pro rainbow but Muslim communities not so much.
So that makes it OK to land bombs on their children.
That's the level you take the conversation to when you bring up Nazi stuff.
Maybe some of what you consider conspiracy theories is fact get over it.
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Wait, can you remind who "owned" the land that was given to Israel?
You also live on occupied land that was paid for with blood, so perhaps you should leave and donate it to a native?
mal3volent
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Because they've been persecuted, scapegoated, and killed everywhere they've gone for thousands of years. Then we give them a tiny slice of desert and all Hell breaks loose. Every other ethnic group has somewhere they can go and feel safe. Most of The Old Testament isn't a historical document but there are historical documents and artifacts that trace their history to that part of the world centuries before Islam existed.
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look at your comrade @someguyontheinternet ^
Now we are starting to peel back the layers a bit as to why the far right suddenly has an affinity with Islamic fascists...
Care to list all the conspiracies you think are true, just to put your views on Israel into context? Be sure not to leave any out.
There's a great book called 'The History of the Middle East' by Peter Mansfield.
I'd urge anyone with even half an interest in what's happening to give it a read. I was given a copy a few years back by a friend - and it's certainly opened my eyes to what's happening. You need to understand the history of how Israel came to be in order to comprehend the chaos we're seeing now.
Some take-away bits:
Most sane people knew Israel would never work, even before it was ever really put in motion - when there were just 10,000 Israelis farming small plots of land around the turn of the 20th century - surrounded by just under 1 million Arabs.
When the idea was proposed, most American Jews were completely against the idea - so much so that the USA never even sent a delegation to check it out - that's how unconvinced they were.
The main bone of contention all boils down to immigration. Many times, the surrounding Arab countries said "okay - but there must be a limit on how many Jews arrive each year - in order to keep things balanced in favour of the Arab populations. Israel continually ignored this and just kept sending them over - well in excess of whatever quota they'd been given. This kept going on for decades, until the point where the Arab states lost faith in Israel (and the Western governments that supported it) because they believed they couldn't trust them at their word.
It is way, way, way more complicated than this - but ultimately, I find it hard to not see what Israel is doing (and has been doing) to Palestine as EXACTLY the same as what the Nazis did to them. No "war" can justify the mass murder of over 10,000 women and children "in the name of terror". What we are seeing is a war crime - or let's be more specific here; ethnic cleansing - because there's no other plausible explanation.
But what about the brutality of Hamas' attacks? Indeed - but who made Hamas? People don't wake up psychotic bloodthirsty murderers - that tends to happen over an extended period of suffering. To quote the UN chief - it didn't happen in a vacuum.
Right at the very beginning the alternative location they were offered was somewhere in Uganda - and wouldn't that have made much more sense? All this death over a religious site that is, for all intents and purposes, just rubble and rocks and buildings that have been built and demolished and then rebuilt over and over again over thousands of years.
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Like I said, it's just interesting to note that everyone in this thread is either pro Israel --
or a Marxist
or talks of "The Global Elite" pulling strings in the shadows.
What, i'm not in any of those categories. This is completely made up for no reason.
You make a great conservative, grouping people together like that
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So I guess you explain away all the Islamic terrorist groups using that rationale?
Al Qaeda, Al-Shabaab, ISIS, Hezbollah, Hamas, PIJ, etc, etc, etc.
All just regular folks driven to violence due to oppression and suffering? No agency? No accountability? What about the billions of other suffering people throughout history who didn't fly planes into skyscrapers or murder, rape, and pillage?
Ok, I'll add a fourth group : contrarians and misanthropes.
I'm not "grouping" anyone together. I'm simply asking you to observe the phenomenon that is happening -- SJWs, Marxists, revolutionaries, leftists aligning themselves with individuals who they used to consider morally reprehensible. It's bigger than just Jgrimez and you, obviously. This is a phenomenon I've been observing for years now. It's the horseshoe theory -- look it up.
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