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You guys are acting like I'm pro-Islam or something.
You've clearly got a bias against Jews and it shows by your apparent willingness to dodge the situation as it actually is by distrusting everything associated with the Israeli state while simultaneously taking the other sides words without much hesitation at all.
These are just nonsense words because you can't understand me. In your eyes I'm a "conspiracy person" because I say things different to the media you consume.
Mate, you literally said "If this were to have happened in the way described then it would have been a small, elite-level team of vetted specialists.". You are a conspiracy minded person. I am also a conspiracy minded person, but I draw the line at invoking imaginary scenarios without a shred of evidence to back it up, just to support some overarching grand Zionist conspiracy.

I can't be fucked with this discussion anymore, putting you on mute.
 
You've clearly got a bias against Jews and it shows by your apparent willingness to dodge the situation as it actually is by distrusting everything associated with the Israeli state while simultaneously taking the other sides words without much hesitation at all.
No, you're just too unintelligent to actually listen to and understand what I'm saying. It's the Israeli government who are committing these atrocities. Like I said, I believe most Jewish people are good people but the majority have been traumatized and brainwashed into believing that every Palestinian wants to murder all the Jews. Which is simply not true. I have Palestinians friends (who live abroad) and they have no problem with Jewish people. They even empathize when innocent Israelis are killed. My bias is against bullshit and lies. My bias is towards facts and video evidence while being suspicious of claims that are without any evidence. If it was Palestinians holding Jews in concentration camps then I would speak out for the plight of those Jews. And then you'd say that I have a bias against Palestinians. Isn't basic human rights something that anyone can understand?

Mate, you literally said "If this were to have happened in the way described then it would have been a small, elite-level team of vetted specialists.". You are a conspiracy minded person. I am also a conspiracy minded person, but I draw the line at invoking imaginary scenarios without a shred of evidence to back it up, just to support some overarching grand Zionist conspiracy.
But as I've said multiple times, I've posted about the Lavon Affair (which I assume you had never heard of). It was an Israeli false-flag "conspiracy" which just means a covert plot. These covert plots happen every single day inside intelligence agencies all across the world. The fact that for some reason this seems implausible to you, is your problem, not mine. The term "conspiracy theory" being used as a pejorative was one of the greatest operations these intel agencies have ever conducted. The Manhattan Project involved 100,000 people and was completely hidden from US Congress. The fact is that there is plenty of evidence from the past showing precedents for what I'm claiming, but for some reason you deny that it exists, probably because you refuse to do any research on it yourself. Also it upsets people to think that governments tasked with protecting them would murder their own civilians. But again, we have historical precedence where governments were caught in plots that involved murdering civilians in order to further political goals.

And yes, small elite-level special operations teams are a fact of reality, not a fairytale fantasy idea. Recently Ray Wood, an ex-undercover police officer shared a deathbed confession that the NYPD and the FBI worked with him to make sure the two men in charge of Malcolm X’s security detail were arrested in the days before the speech. This was a good example of a conspiracy and compartmentalization, where someone is tasked with a job yet they are unaware of the bigger plot. Only a few people need to know all the details.

I can't be fucked with this discussion anymore, putting you on mute.
Just like all the stuff coming out of Gaza. Put it on mute. Easier to justify it when you can just turn a blind eye.

Dublin in Ireland is rioting tonight because a suspected Algerian migrant knifed a bunch of children outside a school.
Yeah they're getting sick of unfettered mass immigration that's bringing problems from the 3rd world into developed, civilized communities.
The majority of people in all Western countries are opposed to these immigration policies yet the governments continue with them. They are not staying true to the wishes and best interests of the people they're supposed to represent.

Still waiting for the day I hear of a Jewish mass stabbing.
There are plenty of incidents of Israelis/settlers massacring Arabs but they usually use firearms.
If you go back to when Israel was created, there are examples of Jewish terrorism against the British. In 1946, members of the Zionist terrorist organization the Irgun, disguised as Arab workmen and hotel waiters, planted a bomb in the basement of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. They killed 91 people including Brits, Arabs and their own fellow Jews. So a Zionist conspiracy which involved murdering Jews and Westeners to further political goals has happened in the past.

Also if you look at who's ultimately responsible for pushing large amount of Muslims into Europe, you might be surprised to see which groups and organizations are funding them.
 
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you're a proven liar. every post you post here confirms it. by your own yardstick you're simply not to be trusted.

alasdair
Ali you need to be more careful with your words. I have proven to have lied once regarding something unrelated. So you can say that I lied once but not that I'm a liar. We made a bet and I said I would leave BL and I left for a long while but ultimately I returned because some members asked me to. That was a personal dispute between you and myself that you still haven't let go of years later.

That is completely separate to discussing politics. Not once have I lied about anything regarding Current Events & Politics. Have I been wrong in the past? Yes a few times. Have I been right more than I've been wrong? Also yes. So by my own yardstick, context matters and whether someone is willing to admit a mistake and be transparent about it.
 
So you can say that I lied once but not that I'm a liar.

a liar is somebody who lies. you lied. you're a liar.

it may sting but sometimes the truth does that.

if you kept your word we wouldn't even be having this discussion. your criticising others for lying is laughable.

if you'd like me to stop bringing it up, the solution is simple. be a man, keep your word and leave bluelight.

alasdair
 
Jerusalem Post - November 23rd 2023
IDF elite intell officer warned about Hamas attacks, ignored report

Haaretz - 20th November 2023
The woman soldiers who warned of pending Hamas attack and were ignored

Israel National News - 23rd November 2023
Unit 8200: Junior officer who warned of October 7th attack on Gaza told 'your imagining it'

QUOTE: "The report also claimed the survaillance officers who worked at the boarder and lost friends to murder or abduction in the invasion, are not receiving any psychological care from the IDF, and have been presented with the demand to return to their post within two weeks, or forfeit their benefits and move to another position.

Times of Israel - 24th November 2023
Reports: Senior IDF Officer dimissed pre-October 7th intell on Hamas as 'fantasy'
-Two lower level officers in IDF elite intelligence unit 8200 outlined a mass invasion one month before the onslaught; top officers also waved off a manual showing plans for the onslaught.

QUOTE: ""They were told in real-time. There were so many things that should have set off red lights." An unnamed source from unit 8200 told the network. Kan reported similar details, noting that the non-commissioned officer stated that the Hamas drill used vehicles to carry out the attack and practiced taking over Israeli towns. The NCO also warned that the event Hamas was planning was such a large scale assault it could spark an all-out war.

Financial Times - November 24th 2023
Israeli intelligence 'dismissed' details warning of Hamas raid.
Reports sent to senior officer weeks before the October 7th attack was ignored, say people familiar with the matter.

KAN (Israel public broadcasting corperation) - November 23 2023 (archived - Hebrew)
An intelligence soldier warned of Hamas attacks, her conmander ignored, "imaginary"

END NEWS CITES.


The cat is out of the bag
Reports that early warning from the unit 8200 intelligence (and Egypt and many other sources) were ignored by Israel have been circulating for weeks, but at this point, there is little doubt that senior government officials and military officers in Israel were very aware that Hamas was planning an attack of unprecedented scale on Israeli military and civilian targets.

Associated Press (article from 13th October 2023 - includes Hamas video uploaded to social media)
Hamas practiced in plain sight, posting videos of mock attack weeks before border breach.
Less than a month before Hamas blew through Israel's high-tech "Iron Wall" and launched an attack that would leave 1200 Israeli's dead, they practiced a very public dressed rehersal.

AP article archived here: https://archive.is/8lDiv

ADD TO THIS the fact the brutal attacks went on for HOURS before the militants were met with any response from IDF forces (for example the first Apache attack helicopters did not arrive until seven hours after the attack began). This unimaginably long and unexplained delay not only allowed the vast majority of Hamas intruders to retreat back (through the supposedly inpetentratable wall) INTO GAZA with hundreds of human hostages in their clutches.

How could Israel not have known?

Plus Bibi's government also sees Hamas as an asset and the Palestinian Authority as a burden even though Hamas is more violent and uncompromising. They allow funds to go through Qatar, knowing they will use it for targeting Israelis, not "humanitarian aid" as they claim it will be used for. This is their scheme to keep Palestine divided and make sure that a two state solition is impossible. So yes, if Israeli lives need to be sacraficed to Hamas in order for them to gain worldwide support and incite their civilians to rejoice in their ethnic cleansing of Palestine then they will do just that.
 
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No, you're just too unintelligent to actually listen to and understand what I'm saying. It's the Israeli government who are committing these atrocities. Like I said, I believe most Jewish people are good people but the majority have been traumatized and brainwashed into believing that every Palestinian wants to murder all the Jews. Which is simply not true. I have Palestinians friends (who live abroad) and they have no problem with Jewish people. They even empathize when innocent Israelis are killed. My bias is against bullshit and lies. My bias is towards facts and video evidence while being suspicious of claims that are without any evidence. If it was Palestinians holding Jews in concentration camps then I would speak out for the plight of those Jews. And then you'd say that I have a bias against Palestinians. Isn't basic human rights something that anyone can understand?


But as I've said multiple times, I've posted about the Lavon Affair (which I assume you had never heard of). It was an Israeli false-flag "conspiracy" which just means a covert plot. These covert plots happen every single day inside intelligence agencies all across the world. The fact that for some reason this seems implausible to you, is your problem, not mine. The term "conspiracy theory" being used as a pejorative was one of the greatest operations these intel agencies have ever conducted. The Manhattan Project involved 100,000 people and was completely hidden from US Congress. The fact is that there is plenty of evidence from the past showing precedents for what I'm claiming, but for some reason you deny that it exists, probably because you refuse to do any research on it yourself. Also it upsets people to think that governments tasked with protecting them would murder their own civilians. But again, we have historical precedence where governments were caught in plots that involved murdering civilians in order to further political goals.

And yes, small elite-level special operations teams are a fact of reality, not a fairytale fantasy idea. Recently Ray Wood, an ex-undercover police officer shared a deathbed confession that the NYPD and the FBI worked with him to make sure the two men in charge of Malcolm X’s security detail were arrested in the days before the speech. This was a good example of a conspiracy and compartmentalization, where someone is tasked with a job yet they are unaware of the bigger plot. Only a few people need to know all the details.


Just like all the stuff coming out of Gaza. Put it on mute. Easier to justify it when you can just turn a blind eye.


Yeah they're getting sick of unfettered mass immigration that's bringing problems from the 3rd world into developed, civilized communities.
The majority of people in all Western countries are opposed to these immigration policies yet the governments continue with them. They are not staying true to the wishes and best interests of the people they're supposed to represent.


There are plenty of incidents of Israelis/settlers massacring Arabs but they usually use firearms.
If you go back to when Israel was created, there are examples of Jewish terrorism against the British. In 1946, members of the Zionist terrorist organization the Irgun, disguised as Arab workmen and hotel waiters, planted a bomb in the basement of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. They killed 91 people including Brits, Arabs and their own fellow Jews. So a Zionist conspiracy which involved murdering Jews and Westeners to further political goals has happened in the past.

Also if you look at who's ultimately responsible for pushing large amount of Muslims into Europe, you might be surprised to see which groups and organizations are funding them.

Aren't you Jewish? I thought I recalled something to that effect. (Not that jew can't be anti-Israel, take for instance Norman Finkelstein.)
 
a liar is somebody who lies. you lied. you're a liar.
Well technically a liar is someone who lies.
I don't lie. I go so far as to subscribe to the theory that lying constantly actually causes physical brain damage.
BTW technically that bet wasn't a lie as I did believe that I was going to leave BL. So it's more that I went back on my word or that I welched on a bet. I'll admit to that because I'm honest and not a liar.
The truth has been my biggest weapon against the monumental flood of falsehoods that emanate from media/politics and is parroted by people like yourself.
People don't like when you dismantle their false worldviews so I'm not surprised you're so desperate to discredit me in any way possible.
Notice how I tend to just argue the facts and details regarding politics. It's always the other person who instigates the personal attacks or character assassinations.
And really if someone cares that much that I didn't honor a stupid bet with a random online then they were never going to take my political analysis seriously anyway.

it may sting but sometimes the truth does that.
The truth has definitely stung a few around here but hasn't been me.

if you kept your word we wouldn't even be having this discussion. your criticising others for lying is laughable.
No it's laughable that you would equate a sovereign state lying about committing massacres and genocide with the inane topic that we are discussing here.
This would be the equivalent of me witnessing my surgeon not using an indicator when pulling his car into work and then saying that he's not qualified to perform the surgery.

if you'd like me to stop bringing it up, the solution is simple. be a man, keep your word and leave bluelight.

alasdair
I said I would leave BL, I didn't say when.
I will leave BL forever eventually, therefore honoring the bet and keeping my word.
 
Aren't you Jewish? I thought I recalled something to that effect. (Not that jew can't be anti-Israel, take for instance Norman Finkelstein.)
Yes I went into that in more detail earlier in this thread.
If an Indian criticizes the Indian government, nobody would say that he is a traitor, self-hating, racist etc.
The idea that a Jew should support the foreign policy of Israel no matter what is nonsensical.
I criticize any country that violates international law.

Most Jews at the time were opposed to the creation of the state of Israel. People that had just gone through traumas of oppression during the War were not interested in displacing an indigenous population and doing the same thing onto others. As I posted earlier, Albert Einstein warned the New York Times about Menachem Begin and his fascist, Nazi-like party. Begin became the 6th Prime Minister of Israel. Now these days the propaganda is so strong that people are literally scared to look into history.
 

The Evidence Israel Killed Its Own Citizens on 7 October

A retired Israeli army major has admitted Israel probably killed some of the 1,200 Israelis the government claims Hamas murdered on 7 October.

The confession, discovered by The Electronic Intifada, is one of the highest level confirmations to date that Israel killed many, if not most, of the civilians that died during the Palestinian offensive.

On Saturday, it was revealed that an official Israel source had concluded for the first time that Israeli fire hit at least some Israelis.

This growing body of evidence undermines the official Israeli narrative of savage Palestinian terrorists invading Israel bent on slaughtering civilians. Hamas maintains that its targets were military and that it did not intentionally kill civilians.
^Often times analyzing how a person/group/country deals with the aftermath of an event helps us to deduce a lot. Compare a thorough or rushed investigation, for example.


IN THEIR OWN WORDS
Israeli officials want to wipe out as many Palestinians as possible.
Listen to what they say themselves.
I really don't understand why so many people (who generally claim to speak out for the oppressed) have no problem with this.
 
^ I found an article that said the Jews were behind the Holocaust as well on TheThirdReich.de

The second link is completely disingenuous and takes a lot out of context. The human animals are Hamas. I actually agree with the old man that it is an insult to animals to call them that.

Also there's video in the post you still havent responded to that shows crowds of Palestinian "civilians" cheering on the terrorists arriving back from the attack with hostages...
 
"There is no Hamas in the West Bank"

>>Civilians cheer the public execution of "Israeli informants" in Tulkarm



Be sure to read the full thread for all the peaceful photos
 


JERUSALEM, Nov 5 (Reuters) - Even among the blizzard of mobile phone footage from the Oct. 7 attack on Israel, brief shots of 19-year-old Naama Levy being bundled into a jeep in Gaza, her grey tracksuit pants stained with what looked like blood, have stood out.

The footage, posted by Hamas and circulated widely on social media, showed Levy bruised and cut, with her hands tied behind her back as she is pushed into the vehicle while bystanders chant "God is Great!" in Arabic.

 

Palestinian mayor offers bounty to residents who kill stray dogs​


The Palestinian mayor of Hebron has called for residents in the West Bank city to kill stray dogs in exchange for a cash reward.

Mayor Tayseer Abu Sneineh proposed the bounty of 20 shekels, or $5.50 USD, during a radio broadcast earlier this week, as a possible solution to the city’s overpopulation of strays which he said were “haunting the lives of Hebron residents,” the Jerusalem Post reported.

At least some city dwellers took the order to heart, and social media was soon flooded with images of stray dogs being killed or tortured.

Abu Sneineh was sentenced to life in prison along with three others for his involvement in a terrorist attack in Hebron in 1980 which left six students dead, including two American citizens. He and his conspirators were later released as part of prisoner exchanges.

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Right now, their only official policy regarding stray animal populations is to shoot and poison them. Stray dogs and cats subject to this treatment die in agony — those poisoned convulse in seizures, while those shot are often wounded and left to die slowly from their injuries. These tactics are so normalized that Palestinian municipalities post notices warning citizens not to be alarmed by impending gunfire, and post pictures of bloodied dogs on their Facebook pages, claiming to have made streets safer for people.

 
Not the smartest tools in the draw. What are all these strays eating? Get better at not dropping all your food waste all over the streets?
 
^ I found an article that said the Jews were behind the Holocaust as well on TheThirdReich.de

The second link is completely disingenuous and takes a lot out of context. The human animals are Hamas. I actually agree with the old man that it is an insult to animals to call them that.

Also there's video in the post you still havent responded to that shows crowds of Palestinian "civilians" cheering on the terrorists arriving back from the attack with hostages...

Yet you are using referrences to the Jerusalem post. When they also have posted highlighting that Israel all knew about the attack and used it to start a war in Gaza.

Hamas is being used by Israel to divide Palestine. And make it so no 2 state solution is possible.

I absolutely denounce the Octover 7th attack. Anything that kills a lot of innocent people is heart breaking. However i see very few people here denouncing the attacks that have now killed 8000 Palestinian children. Israel themselves have admitted multiple attacks they've done didn't hit any Hamas targets. Much of it is just killing innocent civilians.

You posted the Palestinian major giving incentive to lill stray dogs. There are shitty people in governments everywhere. There are shitty people on the streets everywhere. There are also innocent women and children. You can't filter those out by air strikes or firing rockets at them.
 
Hamas is being used by Israel to divide Palestine. And make it so no 2 state solution is possible.
There's been multiple attempts to have an amicable two state solution and it has been rejected every single time by the Palestinians. Who is really at fault here.
I absolutely denounce the Octover 7th attack. Anything that kills a lot of innocent people is heart breaking. However i see very few people here denouncing the attacks that have now killed 8000 Palestinian children. Israel themselves have admitted multiple attacks they've done didn't hit any Hamas targets. Much of it is just killing innocent civilians.
They also admit that they give ample warning. It's not like the Gazan's didn't know Israel was going to go mental after the 7th of October, they were given warnings to get out and during operations as well given specific warnings to specific buildings to evacuate.
 
I was trying not to get too involved with this thread again cos it honestly does my head in, but...
There's been multiple attempts to have an amicable two state solution and it has been rejected every single time by the Palestinians. Who is really at fault here.












Guess what, all those links come from me searching 'ceasfire rejected by Hamas' 🤦‍♂️

Look how long this has been going on for - 2014 article

They also admit that they give ample warning. It's not like the Gazan's didn't know Israel was going to go mental after the 7th of October, they were given warnings to get out and during operations as well given specific warnings to specific buildings to evacuate.

Israel was given warnings from their own soldiers. Their own military intelligence. Foreign military intelligence. But chose to ignore them all. Ignore that Hamas ran a simulation the day before which they also knew about. What does that tell you about Israel's concern for their own citizens. They were more concerned about having the golden excuse for the international community to invade Gaza
They even managed to shoot some of their own festival goers while they let Hamas escape through their 'inpenetrable iron wall'

Have a look at this post and tell me did Israel not know about the attack and use it to their advantage

Jerusalem Post - November 23rd 2023
IDF elite intell officer warned about Hamas attacks, ignored report

Haaretz - 20th November 2023
The woman soldiers who warned of pending Hamas attack and were ignored

Israel National News - 23rd November 2023
Unit 8200: Junior officer who warned of October 7th attack on Gaza told 'your imagining it'

QUOTE: "The report also claimed the survaillance officers who worked at the boarder and lost friends to murder or abduction in the invasion, are not receiving any psychological care from the IDF, and have been presented with the demand to return to their post within two weeks, or forfeit their benefits and move to another position.

Times of Israel - 24th November 2023
Reports: Senior IDF Officer dimissed pre-October 7th intell on Hamas as 'fantasy'
-Two lower level officers in IDF elite intelligence unit 8200 outlined a mass invasion one month before the onslaught; top officers also waved off a manual showing plans for the onslaught.

QUOTE: ""They were told in real-time. There were so many things that should have set off red lights." An unnamed source from unit 8200 told the network. Kan reported similar details, noting that the non-commissioned officer stated that the Hamas drill used vehicles to carry out the attack and practiced taking over Israeli towns. The NCO also warned that the event Hamas was planning was such a large scale assault it could spark an all-out war.

Financial Times - November 24th 2023
Israeli intelligence 'dismissed' details warning of Hamas raid.
Reports sent to senior officer weeks before the October 7th attack was ignored, say people familiar with the matter.

KAN (Israel public broadcasting corperation) - November 23 2023 (archived - Hebrew)
An intelligence soldier warned of Hamas attacks, her conmander ignored, "imaginary"

END NEWS CITES.


The cat is out of the bag
Reports that early warning from the unit 8200 intelligence (and Egypt and many other sources) were ignored by Israel have been circulating for weeks, but at this point, there is little doubt that senior government officials and military officers in Israel were very aware that Hamas was planning an attack of unprecedented scale on Israeli military and civilian targets.

Associated Press (article from 13th October 2023 - includes Hamas video uploaded to social media)
Hamas practiced in plain sight, posting videos of mock attack weeks before border breach.
Less than a month before Hamas blew through Israel's high-tech "Iron Wall" and launched an attack that would leave 1200 Israeli's dead, they practiced a very public dressed rehersal.

AP article archived here: https://archive.is/8lDiv

ADD TO THIS the fact the brutal attacks went on for HOURS before the militants were met with any response from IDF forces (for example the first Apache attack helicopters did not arrive until seven hours after the attack began). This unimaginably long and unexplained delay not only allowed the vast majority of Hamas intruders to retreat back (through the supposedly inpetentratable wall) INTO GAZA with hundreds of human hostages in their clutches.

How could Israel not have known?

Plus Bibi's government also sees Hamas as an asset and the Palestinian Authority as a burden even though Hamas is more violent and uncompromising. They allow funds to go through Qatar, knowing they will use it for targeting Israelis, not "humanitarian aid" as they claim it will be used for. This is their scheme to keep Palestine divided and make sure that a two state solition is impossible. So yes, if Israeli lives need to be sacraficed to Hamas in order for them to gain worldwide support and incite their civilians to rejoice in their ethnic cleansing of Palestine then they will do just that.

The fact that you still refuse to denounce what Israel is doing when they have killed 8000 children, 4000, and 17000 civilians. For the sake of 2000 Hamas. Says to me you are in full on support of Israel, regardless of innocent women and children being murdered in the thousands.

Israel have also committed several war crimes including using banned substances like white phosperous. Breaking their own agreements with the bombing. Etc

They also admit that they give ample warning...they were given warnings to get out and during operations as well given specific warnings to specific buildings to evacuate.

What like patients in hospital who had already been injured and couldn't move? Yeah i'm sure they managed to just spring up and get out the way no problem.

Ample warning to go where? 1.7 million of them have already been displaced. Not like they can go home and watch an episode of Eastenders.

I know your probably still left thinking,
'But they all deserve it cos Hamas r terrorist' 🤦‍♂️🥴
 
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