Is the influx of RC's ruining the true psychedelic experience?

[LacunaSamsara]

I think that UK RC scene has begun the process of ruining it for us all. It's not the variety of psychedelics available that's the problem - I don't see how someone could think more variety would ruin the psychedelic experience - it's the way in which many people are taking them and the super unscrupulous vendors who are selling people any old chem that's the latest hype, but what they're really selling is a variety of other things, from cathinones and other dangerous stimulants, to that NRG-1 stuff, to something almost entirely inert.

Scary situation. I hope everyone can heed my warnings before it's too late - boycott vendors who are obviously unscrupulous.

^This. Labs are experimenting with new formulas and sending them out as samples for the recipients to be the 1st human test subject. I'm sure many of these people are not using the Shulgin Method either.... daaaaaangerous stuff. 5-iai for example.

 

[hugo24]

But then , why just can't they after those who sold wrongly labeled/illegal compounds labeled as legals etc? The ones selling RC chemicals are just not breaking any law, and after all, this is till a state of law,period.

I think that UK RC scene has begun the process of ruining it for us all. It's not the variety of psychedelics available that's the problem - I don't see how someone could think more variety would ruin the psychedelic experience - it's the way in which many people are taking them and the super unscrupulous vendors who are selling people any old chem that's the latest hype, but what they're really selling is a variety of other things, from cathinones and other dangerous stimulants, to that NRG-1 stuff, to something almost entirely inert.

Scary situation. I hope everyone can heed my warnings before it's too late - boycott vendors who are obviously unscrupulous.

 

[interplanetary]

IMO and long experience watching this scene mutate and evolve over 30 years, the naive search for chemical novelty and "sub-prime psychedelia" and finding answers in a powder when they are only to be found within oneself keep many people from true psychedelic experiences.

It would appear that a large number of people believe they can get something for free from drugs in general. It's not true with any drug. Psychic thermodynamics anyone?

True psychedelia does not mean a guaranteed "good time". True psychedelics open us up to clearer perception of reality - for better AND worse.

There are certainly many interesting new genuine psychedelics available today than when I started dosing, but many trippers seem to think they will find something deeper than LSD (not possible) or a true psychedelic that does not require total commitment or which guarantees a certain type of experience (also not possible).

The scene has become horribly polluted and toxic. The greedhead RC marketers are just the icing on the cake....

100% backed. There is not a single word I would change.

Except I am quite fond of the convenience of purchasing 5-MeO-DMT versus extracting from Bufo avarius. I also enjoy psilocetin -- 4-acO-DMT.

That, 2C-D and 2C-T-2.

Anyways - aside from straying from the point - I think the scene has become a scammer's paradise -- much like the UG anabolic/androgenic steroid culture.

 

[rincewindrocks]

I really think the frequency of selling RC's as acid is vastly overstated, at least here in the US....most of the time, acid is acid, even if its low quality/dosage. I have been sold (what I think was) an RC once and told it was acid...and this is after 100+ times buying it....on top of that, i used to sell RC's and still know people who do. People can tell if they are getting something that isnt acid, at least after one good trip, and they dont come back if you sell them something else

 

[Xorkoth]

Perhaps I should have made myself a bit more clear. Now once again I have had nothing but what would in my mind be a half ass trip off the rc's that I have done. That along with the fact that I think the new generation is being told what they are taking is acid or e when in fact they are being fed rc's 9 times out of 10 by someone who doesn't know the difference. Granted that cant be done with shrooms.

This doesn't really happen very often. The vast majority of the time people are claiming to have been given an RC as LSD, it's just someone having a dose that is too low to have a full trip (since LSD dosages per blotter tend to be much lower these days). Half-in trips generally feel weird and certainly not profound at all. Or they took a full trip and it was a trip that was dark and frightening to them and they believed LSD would be friendly, when of course it isn't always. Back in the day when people had too little acid or a frightening trip they just said it was a bad batch (this isn't true either, it was just a negative trip). Nowadays since there have been reports of blotters being analyzed containing DOC or DOI or DOB or 5-MeO-AMT, everyone automatically assumes that any uncomfortable or non-profound trip is one of those devil "RCs" instead. Either way, it's people believing what they want to believe without any sort of proof. The fact is that buying LSD leaves a lot of room for shadiness since you can't measure the dose and these days a LOT of people are taking 1, 2, or even 3 blotters and they're like 25 micrograms apiece and that's not enough to even have a light trip... it'll be threshold and it'll feel weird and stimulated and uncomfortable without any real mental effects, and they blame it on "RCs".

There are really only a few chemicals that can fit onto blotter anyway. And if you buy a capsule with a little bit of powder at the bottom and are told it's mescaline... well, do your research. Mescaline takes 250-300mg to get a real trip going, which would fill up most of a gel cap.

 

[hashdout]

This doesn't really happen very often. The vast majority of the time people are claiming to have been given an RC as LSD, it's just someone having a dose that is too low to have a full trip (since LSD dosages per blotter tend to be much lower these days). Half-in trips generally feel weird and certainly not profound at all. Or they took a full trip and it was a trip that was dark and frightening to them and they believed LSD would be friendly, when of course it isn't always. Back in the day when people had too little acid or a frightening trip they just said it was a bad batch (this isn't true either, it was just a negative trip). Nowadays since there have been reports of blotters being analyzed containing DOC or DOI or DOB or 5-MeO-AMT, everyone automatically assumes that any uncomfortable or non-profound trip is one of those devil "RCs" instead. Either way, it's people believing what they want to believe without any sort of proof. The fact is that buying LSD leaves a lot of room for shadiness since you can't measure the dose and these days a LOT of people are taking 1, 2, or even 3 blotters and they're like 25 micrograms apiece and that's not enough to even have a light trip... it'll be threshold and it'll feel weird and stimulated and uncomfortable without any real mental effects, and they blame it on "RCs".

There are really only a few chemicals that can fit onto blotter anyway. And if you buy a capsule with a little bit of powder at the bottom and are told it's mescaline... well, do your research. Mescaline takes 250-300mg to get a real trip going, which would fill up most of a gel cap.

If you don't think rc's are being put into liquids and being passed off as cid you are mistaken.

 

[any major dude]

^ i'm sure that happens occasionally, but this can be avoided by not buying from people who you don't know/trust. Also, even then, most things would require more than a drip or two and taste very chemically. IME, most things i've bought that were sold as lsd were either lsd or nothing. Once I got sold a DOx on blotter as "doses" and once I got some blotter that a guy was selling as lsd, but after I talked to him for a bit he told me it was DOI. So that's twice out of many many times.

Also, if you define a "true psychedelic experience" as what you experience on LSD, then of course you're not going to think other chemicals offer a "true experience." However, I feel that the realm of psychedelic experiences is quite broad. There are some substances I've tried that I felt were more recreational "psychedelic lite" type things, such as 2c-c. However things like 2c-e, 2c-p, 4-AcO-DMT, DPT do have that unitive/mystical quality that I think is requisite for a "psychedelic experience."

Expectation bias can be a very powerful thing as well. If for some reason you're expecting to not really get where you're wanting to go when you take certain substances, that alone may be enough to prevent you from getting there. And there's also the YMMV factor that's been mentioned a bunch as well. If you really think these things aren't capable of shaking you like their older cousins, keep searching. Eventually I'm sure you'll find something that will fit your tastes. That's really the great thing about the era we live in right now. There is an unprecedented diversity of available psychedelics, and I'd think everyone can find at least one that will fit their body/mind. DPT is probably the most immersive, earth-shaking one out of things fairly commonly available right now if you're looking for suggestions.

How frequently do you use psychedelics? And which of the newer psych's have you tried?

I know that when i've used them too frequently in the past, I didn't get nearly as much out of it as when I stick to my once or twice a month rule. That could play a role in this as well. Good luck on your search!

 

[Roger&Me]

it's all "just" organic chemistry.

Exactly.

There is no such thing as a "drug", there are simply some conformations of matter that non-lethally modulate the chemical processes in the body.

Look at EtOH and Et2O, just for example: a simple alcohol and a simple ether-- very basic, fundamental organic compounds. When used to dissolve a solute, they are labeled as 'solvents'; however if/when ingested (or inhaled in the case of Et2O) by humans in certain quantities, they are suddenly labeled 'drugs'.

The whole concept of "drugs" illustrates a basic misunderstanding of what it means to be a human being. We aren't machine-like entities with "buttons that can be pressed", if you will. We are an unfathomably complex amalgamation of self-regulating chemical processes, and the addition of exogenous chemical matter will disrupt some of these processes in certain ways. If this disruption is lethal, we call the compound a "poison"; if the disruption is non-lethal, we call the compound a "drug".

Categorization is just semantics for the sake of convenience! The map is definitely not the territory.

 

[TNT Explosion]

^ i'm sure that happens occasionally, but this can be avoided by not buying from people who you don't know/trust. Also, even then, most things would require more than a drip or two and taste very chemically. IME, most things i've bought that were sold as lsd were either lsd or nothing. Once I got sold a DOx on blotter as "doses" and once I got some blotter that a guy was selling as lsd, but after I talked to him for a bit he told me it was DOI. So that's twice out of many many times.

It definitely happens a lot more than you're assuming I'd say.

And "knowing the person" isn't always likely to help as there are definitely people selling RC dipped blotter that they got in bulk from someone else who told THEM it was acid.

That's why I don't get people who roll and drop acid but won't knowingly take research chems. If you take pressed pills or "acid" on blotter more than a few times you've definitely ingested a research chemical.

 

[Psychonautical]

yes spot on,
the U.K. RC scene is ruining everything.
The drugs available on the market are JUST like cocaine and ecstasy.
the whole BENZO fury thing, is frightening all and within itself.

Its about marketing, you strap a fancy name to a product, that mimicks or basically produces the exact same effects as mdma, or some sort of stimulant. Package it up and then feed it to all of the school children. Like straight up, i don't know anyone who could have a bad trip on Ecstasy, and that makes it really enjoyable to alot of people.

the sad part is, is you need to understand that, just because you can release all your serotonin, does that actually mean, you are learning something about yourself, or are you just killing your brain.

I like psychedelics for the simple fact that they make you arrive at conclusions and take you within yourself. While other drugs, like the Mephedrone, the Methylone, and all of those are basically just making all of the people who take them look like fucking retarded amphetamine addicts.

If those become illegal, you can pretty much kiss every other substance good bye.

 

[theotherside]

Exactly.

There is no such thing as a "drug", there are simply some conformations of matter that non-lethally modulate the chemical processes in the body.

Look at EtOH and Et2O, just for example: a simple alcohol and a simple ether-- very basic, fundamental organic compounds. When used to dissolve a solute, they are labeled as 'solvents'; however if/when ingested (or inhaled in the case of Et2O) by humans in certain quantities, they are suddenly labeled 'drugs'.

The whole concept of "drugs" illustrates a basic misunderstanding of what it means to be a human being. We aren't machine-like entities with "buttons that can be pressed", if you will. We are an unfathomably complex amalgamation of self-regulating chemical processes, and the addition of exogenous chemical matter will disrupt some of these processes in certain ways. If this disruption is lethal, we call the compound a "poison"; if the disruption is non-lethal, we call the compound a "drug".

Categorization is just semantics for the sake of convenience! The map is definitely not the territory.

Do you know that you ARE the best poster on Bluelight hands down.........every time you speak.....it is an honour to read

 

[Fishface]

The map is definitely not the territory.

Nicely put

 

[porkstock]

If you take "acid" on blotter more than a few times you've definitely ingested a research chemical.

i've taken acid probably at least 20 times, and i'm pretty sure it was never a chemical other than LSD. it was blotter every time except two, which were gel tabs. the gel tabs were bunk once.

 

[MagickalKat777]

I like how people are so quick to blame the DRUGS. Blame the idiot that does stupid shit with them. These aren't enlightenment in a pill. If such a thing existed, none of us would be on this physical plane anymore.

Its not the drugs that create the psychedelic experience, its your set and setting and the expectations that you set for the trip (never set expectations or you will be let down every time) along with dose and if you've been taking care of yourself.

I've had LSD. The "enlightenment" means NOTHING when you're sober and all the things you thought you legibly scribbled down... needless to say WEREN'T.

The psychedelic experience is a state of being - those that have reached that point will know what I'm talking about - basically your consciousness shifts to a much higher level than it would normally. The thing is - this phenomenon can happen on many different drugs.

And as has been pointed out, ALL of these were research chemicals before Shulgin put them into tastings...