Is the influx of RC's ruining the true psychedelic experience?

[hashdout]

I have tried my fair share even tried to make them take me over the edge but they all seem so empty and controllable even AT major doses unlike cid or shrooms where absolute chaos can occur ;-)

 

[theotherside]

^have you tried 2c-e?? or 2c-P...........every bit as powerful as LSD and we have the isolates from mushies as RC's so....

 

[Delsyd]

Psychedelic RC's (like the ones from pihkal and tihkal) are every bit as much a true psychedelic experience as LSD or mushrooms.

the fact that they were created/discovered later doesnt take away from their value.

 

[hashdout]

Yeah 2c-e 4-ac0 etc where some people trip balls and freak out I can take 5 times as much as them from the same batch and still be in complete control. Unlike a good hard cid or shroom ride where it can be hard to get thru. Maybe its just me but there just inst any depth they almost seem forced in a way.

 

[hashdout]

Maybe I just need a good hard ride from one to show me whats up? ;-)

 

[sockpuppet]

IMO and long experience watching this scene mutate and evolve over 30 years, the naive search for chemical novelty and "sub-prime psychedelia" and finding answers in a powder when they are only to be found within oneself keep many people from true psychedelic experiences.

It would appear that a large number of people believe they can get something for free from drugs in general. It's not true with any drug. Psychic thermodynamics anyone?

True psychedelia does not mean a guaranteed "good time". True psychedelics open us up to clearer perception of reality - for better AND worse.

There are certainly many interesting new genuine psychedelics available today than when I started dosing, but many trippers seem to think they will find something deeper than LSD (not possible) or a true psychedelic that does not require total commitment or which guarantees a certain type of experience (also not possible).

The scene has become horribly polluted and toxic. The greedhead RC marketers are just the icing on the cake....

 

[Unbreakable]

Rc are fucking up the Lsd buyers market with fake shit....when i buy acid i do no want a RC i want acid or at least tell the people what your selling for ppls safety.


same thing with the Pipers RC that fucked up E market... so many fake pills blah it sucks...

 

[Delsyd]

Maybe its just me but there just inst any depth they almost seem forced in a way.

thats right.
as we like to say here, "your mileage may vary."

You cant expect to have the same experiences as your freinds. everyone reacts differently to these things.
We have a mod here that hasnt gotten much out of LSD while DOC (an RC) provides his best trips.

its never been like that for me, DOx's make me sick as a dog.
But that doesnt discount his experience, nor do his experiences discount mine with LSD.

see where im getting at?

 

[hashdout]

^exactly some people don't even know what they are selling....

 

[hashdout]

thats right.
as we like to say here, "your mileage may vary."

You cant expect to have the same experiences as your freinds. everyone reacts differently to these things.
We have a mod here that hasnt gotten much out of LSD while DOC (an RC) provides his best trips.

its never been like that for me, DOx's make me sick as a dog.
But that doesnt discount his experience, nor do his experiences discount mine with LSD.

see where im getting at?

Yup for sure! Just wanted to throw it out here and get some other thoughts.

 

[Jesusgreen]

^have you tried 2c-e?? or 2c-P...........every bit as powerful as LSD and we have the isolates from mushies as RC's so....

I dunno I personally think 2C-E is exactly how he described, very controllable and easy-going (mentally) even at the highest doses, however I don't think it ruins the psychedelic experience, 2C-E is perfect as an analytical drug, ego loss is often the goal with psychedelics, but some things can't be done without the ego - and for those things, whether it's recreation, trying to think through life problems, boosting creativity, or something else entirely - 2C-E (and most likely the other 2Cs) = perfect.

However all research chemicals vary, saying research chemicals are one thing or another is ignorant, since there are many thousands of legal recreational research chemicals out there - if you are unimpressed with the ones you have tried, or the ones you have access to, fair enough, but just because something hasn't yet been made illegal doesn't make it any different.

4-AcO-DMT for example, which we are pretty sure breaks down into Psilocin, is the opposite of easy-going at higher doses, I find ego loss is almost guaranteed if you get the right dose. The mind fuck is very intense, and things can get very confusing even at lower doses. While I think something like 2C-E can easily be abused as just a fun drug and nothing more, I think that's hard with 4-AcO-DMT, because if you try that, it'll punish you.

Tl;dr - Different drugs are different. There are plenty of amazing research chemicals out there for whatever purpose you want, just know what you want beforehand and don't just buy something because it's "like acid but legal"

 

[agnetha]

I am slowly eating my way through those chemicals available on the gray market. So far a very wondrous and rewarding jorney. There were some impressive trips I would've missed otherwise. I especially like the 2C-X family because they are great for tripping in public or in settings where social interaction or being somewhat functional is possible if needed.

But I still revere the mighty mushroom. For some reason eating shrooms provides a deeper, more immersing experience for me than most of the chemicals I tasted.

 

[Roger&Me]

It depends completely on the individual compound in question.

"RC" is not a category of chemicals. It's a random grouping of sometimes quite disparate compounds.

Some "RC" psychedelics (such as 4-aco-dmt) are every bit as psychedelic as LSD or mushrooms, if not more so.

Really, categorizing chemicals is just a matter of convenience. Every individual compound is completely unique, but often shares some common characteristics with other compounds of similar structural composition.

I do not think the influx of unresearched pschedelic compounds is ruining "the true psychedelic experience" (whatever that's supposed to mean....). LSD and mushrooms aren't going anywhere, there will always be plenty of good 'cid around for those who want to partake-- just journey towards hippies and ye shall find what ye seek.

 

[Swerlz]

It all comes down to how the chemicals react with your mind/body. 4-ho-dmt is an extremely powerful psychdelic on the mind. While other chems aren't. Like Del, YMMV.

I've had ego-shattering events on RCs and I've learned a great deal from them. And I've also had similar experiences with LSD/shrooms. These "man made" chemicals are allowing use to explore deeper and sometimes swallower parts of our psyche that traditional psychedelics haven't brought us.

Some chems are just for pure fun. but others bring to the table much more than that.

 

[Splitz]

In the UK there aren't many legal RC psychedelics. I can't comment on them, but tbh I'm perfectly happy with shrooms, LSD and DMT

 

[Coolio]

I dunno I personally think 2C-E is exactly how he described, very controllable and easy-going (mentally) even at the highest doses, however I don't think it ruins the psychedelic experience, 2C-E is perfect as an analytical drug, ego loss is often the goal with psychedelics, but some things can't be done without the ego - and for those things, whether it's recreation, trying to think through life problems, boosting creativity, or something else entirely - 2C-E (and most likely the other 2Cs) = perfect.

What's a high dose for you? 2C-E is nothing like any other common 2C-* for most people. It's more comparable to LSD. It doesn't have the amphetamine style euphoria that 2C-* usually do.

 

[Coolio]

I have tried my fair share even tried to make them take me over the edge but they all seem so empty and controllable even AT major doses unlike cid or shrooms where absolute chaos can occur ;-)

Have you tried MET, DPT, 5-MeO-MIPT, 5-MeO-DMT, DOC, 2C-T-7, or TMA-6? Those all have a depth that rival shrooms for me but they all easily manage to outdo LSD.

 

[Tromps]

See in my opinion I think 2c-e is harder to control and more of a mindfuck then shrooms are, I couldn't tell you about LSD cause I havent done it, but my friend says 2c-e is still the most intense thing hes ever done. Maybe it just depends who you are.

 

[Jesusgreen]

What's a high dose for you? 2C-E is nothing like any other common 2C-* for most people. It's more comparable to LSD. It doesn't have the amphetamine style euphoria that 2C-* usually do.

30mg+ nasal. There is some mind fuck but absolutely nothing in comparison to 4-AcO-DMT, and my ego seems intact. That's not to say there's no mental aspect to it, and in fact the mental aspect of 2C-E is what I love about it, rather than being confusing it's like I'm some kinda genius, everything just makes sense and I can figure out even the stuff that leaves me completely stumped when I'm sober. 4-AcO-DMT I get something similar to this on the comedown but during the peak etc it's too confusing to gain much insight in it, it's more like a therapy session than an ideas/creativity tool like 2C-E is.

 

[Coolio]

You must have a high natural tolerance to the compound, Jesusgreen. For many, a 30mg insufflated dose will produce dissociation and out of body experiences.