Is "Acid" on course to have the same purity issues as "Ecstasy"?

[Synaesthesia242]

is there a chance of lsd actually becoming extinct? seems possible with the flood of cheap, potent rcs like nbomes

Can still get it in Silk Road, and on the street in my country quite easily. (South Africa). I don't think it's about to go extinct.

 

[lookmanolimbs]

I personally prefer nbomes (esp 25i) to straight LSD.

*ducks* (in before sacrilege, troll, etc, etc.)

If I want an introspective trip I'll do mesc or mushies or something. 'Cid is just too... weird... and artificial for me. (with that said, pure, uncut LSD is definitely, 100% positive, still around, by the way, you just have to know the right people. Am due to get my hands on some very very soon.)

 

[Okami]

I think if real LSD disapears the mass media will be up in arms about these dangerous new nBOMES replacing them, your average layman will then know that like "ecstasy" not getting the real deal is a problem and more people will start doing their research on what your meant to get which in turn will create a bigger market for real acid.

 

[feedmesauce]

On course? LSD is already faker than ecstasy IMO. MDMA isn't that rare of a chemical with hundreds or thousands of chemists worldwide. LSD on the other hand is made by a handful of people, and is much more difficult to precoure the chemicals as well as to make. The tests for MDMA are also more reliable, but while a LSD test kit exists people can still pass off certain chemicals such as 5-meo-amt as LSD with the Ehirchs test kit. I can tell you with a high level of certainty that 95%+ of the world acid is fake. With that 5% mostly being located in the Netherlands or surrounding countries. If you can get real legitimate acid consider yourself EXTREMELY lucky.

 

[RobotRipping]

i think in the case of NA, there's a certain amount of LSD around and that amount has remained steady for a while, now there is a huge increase in usage of LSD and not enough LSD to make it around to everyone, coincidentally this has occurred during a time where nbome's are being sold on blotter already by vendors (why do they do this??!!!) so in the right circles LSD will still be around but for the regular drug user who tries psychs for the first time, they are likely to get 'nbomed'.

I haven't read up on the oral activity of complexed blotters and whatever else they do but either way most people take their LSD sublingually anyway so to the average joe no one is going to notice a thing except when people start dropping like flies after taking huge doses, but even then i've taken huge doses of 25i without issues, it's just the odd person that has a severe adverse reaction to 25i in particular and dies or ends up in the ER. I have no idea why this happens when some people consistently trip at 3mg or more yet another person takes 1mg and ends up near death.

I don't see the nbome series going anywhere any time soon, then the nboh series is just coming around now and more and more potent psychs are coming out each month. LSD will always be around, it's gone through hell with the pickard bust and still exists today so it's not going extinct, however the nBOMEs will definitely supplement the market and it's so damn cheap that it may very well take a larger portion of the 'blotter market' than lsd at some point if that hasn't happened already. Interesting thread.

 

[Okami]

I'm not a chemist but surely at some point nbomes will be made illegal and with it a bunch of precusor chemicals. Making it less lucrative to produce nbomes. This will in turn make it less appealing to make them. Obviously that's not exactly how it works because for all I know the precusor chemicals are orange juice and sawdust and so are readily available and easy to get your hands on, but still give it a couple of years after nbomes are illegal in most of the world and stockpiles run out people will be more inclined to make proper lsd again.

 

[RobotRipping]

it's not that people stopped making LSD, i bet all the people who made LSD in 2005 still make it today, no LSD producer has switched over to producing any nBOME however China has been shipping out shit loads of the nbomes and vendors have been making their own blotters with it (which is terrible) that have now flooded the market. If nbome's become illegal there would then be a shortage of psychedelics for people, in which case the LSD producers could step up their labs and produce more and we can have another LSD revolution maybe.

i don't know though because more potent psychs keep coming out constantly at a rate the DEA and governments cannot possibly keep up with. It took the US forever to ban the 2cs and tryptamines are still legal there and that's just the US. The only way the nbome series is going to get banned is if it ends up in head shops and gas stations or a bunch of people die from it.

 

[Solipsis]

Without actually going into synth details, if they want to ban its precursors they would pretty much have to ban other phenethylamines as well as relatively common chemicals. The latter type I am talking about would need to be controlled like some common chems are that are involved with say meth synth. It would really be a big pain. So yes in short: it is almost like the joke you made about the orange juice.

I don't think 2C-H is banned either is it? Well maybe where they have analogue laws but if they are still widely spread in Asia, it shouldn't make that much difference. So apparently they aren't really thinking it through. Then why should they with the NBOMe's?

 

[psood0nym]

I can tell you with a high level of certainty that 95%+ of the world acid is fake. With that 5% mostly being located in the Netherlands or surrounding countries. If you can get real legitimate acid consider yourself EXTREMELY lucky.

What do you base your certainty on, exactly? As of 2005, Erowid had this to say about samples of what was sold as LSD in Spain:

Eleven samples from different sources in Spain were analyzed. LSD was detected as the only substance present in all the samples

Link

That same article suggests similar findings with Swiss samples. Despite the wide availability of DOX and 5-MeO-aMT at the time these substances didn't show up in any of the collected evidence. Why, if so much of what is sold as LSD is not LSD, would dealers have NOT been substituting these chemicals for LSD during this time period versus now?

It does seem to be true that LSD availability has waned recently. According to a survey conducted by Erowid:

U.S. national surveys show a declining trend in LSD use starting around the same time. Between 2000 and 2003, Monitoring the Future showed an unprecedented drop in past-year LSD use by high school seniors (18-year-olds), from 6.6% to 1.9%.

Link

The article's author surmises that much of the unavailability could owe to the infamous Kansas silo bust and a number of high level prosecutions in the 1990s. The dip in availability of LSD does not seem to coincide with the rise in availability of NBOMes as of late. Insofar as LSD is difficult to obtain that's been the case for a long while. It may be hard to get a hold of, but that does not mean that "95% of world acid is fake". The psychedelic chemicals that can fit on a blotter are limited, and those that are orally active among these have both a substantially slower onset time and longer duration than LSD, which makes them fairly easy to identify as illegitimate. Also consider that the people who are motivated to post about the availability of LSD in this thread are more likely to find that motivation through frustration in not being able to obtain it than in contentment with having access. Bitterness motivates people to complain publicly far more than satisfaction motivates them to rejoice.

 

[Okami]

I know you're right about one thing at least. I am very bitter

 

[Incunabula]

In my world real acid isn't hard to find,.

If you can, or can't, get acid will always totally depends on were you are and what people you know! Obviously.

I remember there was a drought in the begining of the 0's, but still it was possible to find LSD, just the price wen't up at some point from 5 to 10 euros at festivals.

There's obviously always been more than one lab producing LSD.

Sorry to be negative, But most posts in this thread is just uninformed bleh bleh bleh bleh, 95 % acid isn't acid bleh bleh bleh.....people talking about something they have no clue what so ever about.

 

[Jakeperson]

I think so yes, unfortunately.

 

[fffrrrqqq]

where i live (and in my peer ground) finding quality acid, mdma and almost everything else was never a problem. probably i'm just lucky living in a big liberal hedonist city.
but anyway - i'd state the exact opposite of the common sense of this thread: it's has never been easier than today to find quality drugs (incl. lsd) unless you live in a place without postal service and access to the series of interconnected tubes...

 

[Anon0631]

I agree. There's no reason for anyone to be buying unknown drugs on the street anymore when everything (yes I mean everything) is available from trusted sources online. Without entering into source discussion, if you can't find real LSD, you just haven't looked hard enough.

FWIW, I think that LSD isn't all it's made out to be. It's sloppy in the sense that it hits loads of different receptors whereas NBOMe's are way more precise. It's like a blunt instrument compared to a surgeons knife.

 

[AnimalCracker]

Its already happened, with the influx of 25x-nbome chems that are able to be blotted, and ignorance in the user base, things progressed for the worst.

 

[Okami]

I agree. There's no reason for anyone to be buying unknown drugs on the street anymore when everything (yes I mean everything) is available from trusted sources online. Without entering into source discussion, if you can't find real LSD, you just haven't looked hard enough.

FWIW, I think that LSD isn't all it's made out to be. It's sloppy in the sense that it hits loads of different receptors whereas NBOMe's are way more precise. It's like a blunt instrument compared to a surgeons knife.

Everyone knows the the selective THC analogues are far more enjoyable than high quality "sloppy" weed that hits everything....

 

[RobotRipping]

i don't think you can make that analogy as thc is a partial agonist and the synthetic noids are full agonists (typically). LSD is sloppy compared to nbomes but LSD is so potent that this sloppiness doesn't lead to an increase in side effects like say mushrooms would. So it's not a big deal. I personally fucking love LSD, nbomes are great too but too much risk for me to play around with high doses.

 

[atara]

Without actually going into synth details, if they want to ban its precursors they would pretty much have to ban other phenethylamines as well as relatively common chemicals. The latter type I am talking about would need to be controlled like some common chems are that are involved with say meth synth. It would really be a big pain. So yes in short: it is almost like the joke you made about the orange juice.

I don't think 2C-H is banned either is it? Well maybe where they have analogue laws but if they are still widely spread in Asia, it shouldn't make that much difference. So apparently they aren't really thinking it through. Then why should they with the NBOMe's?

2C-H is in fact schedule I, as are other common 2Cs. 2C precursors are basically impossible to ban, yeah, but the synthesis from commodity chemicals is quite long. The high potency of 25x does make them more attractive targets, though. Poor tripstasy...

 

[RainbowWarrior]

In my world real acid isn't hard to find,.

If you can, or can't, get acid will always totally depends on were you are and what people you know! Obviously.

I remember there was a drought in the begining of the 0's, but still it was possible to find LSD, just the price wen't up at some point from 5 to 10 euros at festivals.

There's obviously always been more than one lab producing LSD.

Sorry to be negative, But most posts in this thread is just uninformed bleh bleh bleh bleh, 95 % acid isn't acid bleh bleh bleh.....people talking about something they have no clue what so ever about.

too true!

psychedelics + suggestion makes for an interesting combo :D so much so that the "shaman" doesn't get anything useful out of acid because it feels chemical and unnatural :D

in switzerland and in spain (and i think netherlands as well) you can get your doses tested, the results are almost always the same: it's real LSD it's just dosed way lower than what people bought it as...

poor acid-dealers these days lol

love and light my friends, love and light

p.s. i wonder how people could not feel the love the clandestine lsd chemist puts into his work vs. the cold blooded greedyness of the chinese lab-owner who pumps out kilos of RCs every day :D *sarcasm*

 

[Solipsis]

in switzerland and in spain (and i think netherlands as well) you can get your doses tested, the results are almost always the same: it's real LSD it's just dosed way lower than what people bought it as...

QFT, I know this from experience.