Incunabula
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I'm just glad I'm not in the US, lol.
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Is "Acid" on course to have the same purity issues as "Ecstasy"?
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It would be good if you could use the "spoiler" tags rather than creating a false alarm for NSFW content. I wouldn't want a "boy who cried wolf" situation for someone browsing at work.
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Anon0631
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And this can't happen on LSD because?
Here's my theory. I have no evidence to back it up. It's just a supposition.
For some reason LSD has acquired mythical status. A new generation think that it's less likely to cause freakouts than "RC's". Therefore they blame any negative experiences on the drug rather than the brain it's acting on. Of course, this happened before PiKHAL too but people blamed "bad" or "dirty" acid. Another myth involved strychnine.
The fact is, it's easier to handle the headspace of NBOMe's than LSD. A bad trip is more likely on real acid than fake acid. Physiological safety of course is another issue. LSD has an unusually shallow response curve and no known LD50.
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Summarised brilliantly. It is akin to how people who lose their shit when drinking will often suggest that their drink was spiked.
psood0nym
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^Agreed. I thought I was done with this thread but what Anon0631 states hits on something that applies across drug experiences of many classes. Users who have a bad experience on drug X tend to blame the experience on some imagined quality (usually impurity) of the drug rather than on themselves. It's fundamental attribution error at work where one personifies the drug, made all the easier to get away with psychologically because a drug can't defend itself.
Anon0631
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I'm just sick of NBOMe's being demonised. IMO they are the most exciting thing to happen to psychedelics since Shulgin's creations started appearing in the wild. I'm concerned that there have been worrying cases of hospitalisation and even death and can only assume that these are due to massive accidental overdoses. However, I'm confident that I can personally order 100mg of powder online and divide it out into suitable dose units.
psood0nym
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^You're correct. People don't comprehend the scale involved in their judgments. That said, there seems to be a variability in individual sensitivity to the NBOMEs as well if Erny's (a poster associated with early NBOME reports) anecdotes are to be believed. In those anecdotes comas are reported to result from semi-standard doses that many others consider to be within recreational dosage range. Granted, that's the only report of such I'm aware of at the moment.
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Anon0631
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Can you point me to those posts please?
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Another interesting bomamine thread from 2008. Nothing about comas though.
Things like this can absolutely happen with real lsd. I accidently took 10 hits of strong lsd while drunk and i lost my mind. About 4 hours in i completely blacked out. I did a lot of really bizarre thing while in that state and really freaked my girlfriend out; i smeared tooth and shaving cream all over the bathroom wall, then proceeded to try and mix records, hands still covered in foam and toothpaste. then i took one of my records in the kitchen, put it on the floor and poured half a bottle of scotch on it. I also tried to put a dish rag in the toaster and turn it on. I vaguely remember pouring out the whisky, i don't know why i did it, but i know i had good reason for doing it. I was just completely in another reality. At one point i remember thinking i was burning man(i've never been to bm).
Also, some people are hyper sensitive to lsd. At a festival this past summer, a guy i know ate two hits of some fairly weak acid, and he lost it. It was his first time with lucy, he was havin a blast for the first couple of hours, then he got really agitated and paranoid, and ran off. We didn't see him for the rest of the weekend. He ended up walking in to a house down the road from the festival while the people were home, went upstairs, kicked out a window, and walked out on the roof. Security from the festival came and tried to get him down, so he tried to tight rope across the telephone line, falls off, fights off six security guards and runs off in to the woods. The cops found him an hour later butt naked walking the middle of the road. All he remembers is having a good time at first, then waking up in jail.
Best part of the story is we ended up running in to him on the way home from the festival, he was hitchhiking back to town in sock feet cause he never found his shoes. So we gave him a ride home.
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I would wager that this is the biggest difference between many in this thread reporting "all is fine" and many who report problems.
Personally, just seeing what some people I know go through, I think general LSD availability in the US declined *significantly* after the Pickard bust in 2000 and has never recovered. It's pretty obvious that if you know where to go to, especially in these Internet times... LSD is available. But knowing the US's penchant for watching precursors and chemicals, to the point of "busting" amateur hobbyist shops and the like, I would wager that very little of today's LSD is made domestically in the United States.
Since Chinese chemical laboratories are willing to push out RCs for cheap, and the "grayness" of the RCs adds a bit of CYA for the dealer (not much but a little), I would venture that a lot of them sure would far prefer to go this route vs. importing Schedule 1 drugs from the Netherlands or Canada or wherever. There's a bit of the dealer "profit first" mentality here but in many ways you can't blame them.
I am only speculating here, of course... not really a fan of LSD, TBH I'm glad that my favorite 5HT psychedelic grows in the ground.
But yes, it, too, is my impression that the "general street dealer" either doesn't have LSD or pushes out fakes / NBOMes / etc.
Anon0631
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A dealer would have to be an idiot to pass off an NBOMe as LSD seeing as many (most?) people just chew and swallow blotters. DOx is another story.
Does anyone actually have evidence (I mean actual evidence) of an NBOMe ever being passed off as acid?
Does anyone actually have evidence (I mean actual evidence) of an NBOMe ever being passed off as acid?
Energy Control in Spain recently tested 2 samples of "LSD blotter" and found them to contain 2C-I-NBOMe.
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Anon0631
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^ I guess dealers are idiots
dan k
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id say 60% percent of whats being passed around at american music festivals is nbome. i always come prepared with what i know to be good but my friends are always buying bunk.. im not sure why they dont just stock up beforehand.. cheep prices lure idiots in i guess =/
sooo true...... Every fest there's fake and it is ridiculously cheap so it's sold soooo fast and no one questions well shit should I take this. I saw at a few fest people retaliating. Actual saw someone who was jumped after selling fakes while sitting in the medical tent at a fest.
I think there is Deffinatly alot of DOx in the 60% you speak of
Jesusgreen
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All it would really take is for the dealer to make up some silly excuse like saying the blotter used is too thick to be broken down in the stomach and it needs to be taken buccally/sublingualy and some people would fall for it. Just because a significant percentage of users would know something's up doesn't mean it'll stop people from selling it as acid - if that were the case even DOx wouldn't be sold as acid, as the bitter taste gives it away to a lot of people.
Also I don't know about in your area but back when I lived in UK there was a tradition for a lot of dealers and users to just call anything on blotter acid, and think it was all just different types based on the effects/taste etc, not realising that it was entirely different drugs. Of course the smarter more well-researched people knew otherwise but a lot of people didn't.
As you said in a later post though yeah, a dealer is an idiot if they're going around passing off other substances as LSD. Personally I think most customers would be much more intrigued if they were straight up and said they have a new interesting substance - something they likely haven't tried before, and offered it to them as what it is. If someone gets sold something as acid and later founds out they were duped they're very unlikely to go back to the same dealer.
Given the dangers of the NBOMe series, and how with acid a lot of people prefer crazy high doses and are happy to eat 5 or 6 hits of blotter, these people either must have very little knowledge of what they're actually dealing, or have a complete disregard for human life.
I think in many cases it's simply the former though, I've seen a lot of people passing off substances as other things simply because that's what their dealer told them, and so on. Not enough drug users are that well versed in actually knowing what they're getting sadly..
