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Info on angel's trumpet please -MERGED

Let me give your some advice from my ignorant days before i researched a chemical that i was about to ingest.

One day my friend told me he had a plant called angel trumpet in his backyard and if your eat it you will trip. Being a dumbass i said hell yes lets eat it and trip. Let me tell u something u can get a better "trip" by holding your breathe till you pass out. Angel Trumpets are in no way fun. I was delirious as hell and didnt know what was going on at all. I was hearing voices in head, and would actually talk back to them, notice no one was there, think god damn im stupid, then start talkin to em again :). \
I would actually start looking for my friends (who i thought were talking to me) under couch cushions and shit. Me and my friend even opened some ladies door to her van and got in thinking we knew her, and she freaked out. Not to mention i couldnt read ANYTHING for about a week after i took em.


Trust me if you havnt takin em yet DONT, the reason u get any effect from em is becasue they are poisen and the difference between a "recreational dose" and a hazardous dose are VERY close.
 
Anyone contemplating inducing anti-cholinergic toxicty as a form of "recreation" is retarded. Datura is not a recreational drug in ANY sense of the word recreational, and it's very dangerous. I don't see how making dosage suggestions for something that has no standard safe dose ties in with harm reduction.
 
admittedly, the effects from smoking datura are not identical to those from ingesting plant material (or potions), or for that matter, from applying "flying ointments" to appropriate skin areas, BUT it is much easier to "titrate" your dose (i.e. when you can't manage to flick your bic, it's time to quit...)
 
For the past two years I've heard constant talk about Datura. But not once yet have I seen a list of dosages.

Actually -- I've seen one -- the Datura FAQ by AA on Erowid. But I'd like to see some figures from elsewhere to corroberate that.

So... do any of you 8o histeric, depraved and deleriant 8o Datura experimenters remember your dosage -- how many grams and what method it was taken?
 
err. okay whoever wants to go eat that . go have some fun.. pfft


We had this guy talk to our grade this year about drugs and these were his exact words at one point :

' It's up to you what you do, theres alot of drugs out there, LSD, Cocaine, Mushrooms, Ectstasy.. And i cant stop u from doing any of them and thats okay because its up to you.. But please none of you ever eat or drink datura. I can't stress to you how much of a risk this one drug is. I have heard of people who drank small quantities of water which had datura boiled into it and they thought it would be a good idea to run into a train head on.'
 
Okay, the reason there is no set dosage for datura plant material is because that the potency of let's say a flower or a seed can vary drastically. For instance, one flower could only have a 2% potency while another flower could be like 98% potent...so, dosage can not be prescribed what-so-ever. However, I believe if one does want to be safe about dosage, I would recommend making a tea out of datura, and ingesting in intervals so as not to overload the CNS with too much poison. The main reason of overdose is because ppl eat it raw, and what they thought was a small dose, ends up being a very potent overload. So, if you really want to be safe, drink it as a tea, and take small mouth fulls between intervals....This will let the datura build up in your system without the risk of overloading.....Make sure to also look at your finger tips while drinking this concoction, if they start turning reddish/purple, give it a break until the discolouration subsides.....If you think this technique won't get you tripping, think again....Though the problem with this technique is that tolerance increases much more exponentially......but as it's not a party drug, this shouldn't be a problem....
 
Dirty_Deed said:
instance, one flower could only have a 2% potency while another flower could be like 98% potent.
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While your point is well taken, potency can vary GREATLY, no plant is going to be 98% potent, or in other words...have 98% of its dry weight occur as alkaloids. I know some hash and hash oil can go as high as 15 to 20%, and I think that's as high as it goes.
 
yeah....made a bit of a boo boo, but I think you all know what I mean.....And btw, hash oil can have a potency of up to 70%.....I have a technique to make it this potent...but that's for another time when I can be bothered to explain....
 
In my honest and short winded opinion...

Datura is not worth it. It's not fun, enlightening, or relaxing. Hell, all it does is make your mind short circuit. Now this is a pretty closed minded post, but unless you are trying to do something useful with this drug stay away from it.
 
terayon said:
I dont care what you heard... Jim Morrison didnt do 1000mg of acid...the LD50 (Lethal Dose) of acid aka. LSD aka. d-lysergic acid diethylamide is 12,000 ug which is 12mg and many many times a very strong regular dose....1000mg or 1,000,000 micrograms is approximately 4000 times a usual "strong" dosage and absurdly ludicrous for anyone to even contemplate doing....it would kill you instantly
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there is so much bad information in that post ... "would kill you instantly" ... come on ... you had absolutely no reference for posting that... 12,000 ug is nowhere near lethal
 
J2012B said:
there is so much bad information in that post ... "would kill you instantly" ... come on ... you had absolutely no reference for posting that... 12,000 ug is nowhere near lethal
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He said that 1000mg would kill you instantly, not 12,000ug...

I'm not convinced that 12,000ug is the ld50 though, not for humans....

There are quite a few records/stories of 'thumbprint' experiences, where users would take an eyeballed dose pure crystal - estimated to be in the area of 250mg...
 
Just a question guys....
Are angels trumpets also called Hells Bells??? If so, in high school I made tea with 6 or 7 flowers and went to school. And let me tell you that tea was nastier than eating mescaline.:p
 
Uh... I ate 4 seeds and I was tripping for about 8 hours, of which I can remember little, except for trees and bushes talking to me in my friends' voices, and the road cracking up like an extremely violent earthquake was going on. For the next few days, my vision was slightly weird, and I felt hungover the next day. It wasn't that bad, but I don't think I'll try it again. However, I'm not sure that we had the same variety of datura.
 
It makes me laugh to see so many people abusing the idea of using datura and datura users alike. Its funny because so many people crap on about how they don't use psycedelics recreationally, only for spiritual purposes and what not. Yet heres a drug which serves no recreational purpose so 90% feel compelled to suggest no-one use it. Research Chems.. yeah go for it sonny ! I mean its been on the shelves for 3 years... get stuck into it ! But heres a plant which shamans have been intoxicating themselves with for thousands of years for uses such as communicating with the spirit realm, but since it isn't recreational, we better all stay away from it !
I dont care if people take it or not, but i wish people would have some fucken respect for those who choose to use this substance. Cause i can tell you now, theres plenty of straight-edge folks out there who would have a go at you for using lsd etc, you dont like that, just like datura users dont like being abused for their choice.
I dont regret my datura experiences and I've had a few and i've dosed what would be considered high. Everyonre has their own limits, if 1 persons limits far exceed what you'd consider to be your own limits, let it be. Theres plenty of far worse substances out there as far toxicity and physical harm are concerned. The dangers of datura relate to the things you may do whilst under influence rather than the alkaloids themselves. So, when used properly and under supervision it can be a remarkably positive experience which deserves more respect amongst this "open-minded" community.
 
Man, that's almost like saying "People having been jumping out of planes forever, I know you all do so on a regular basis, so don't rag on people who prefer to do so without a parachute!!!"

There is a BIG difference between a Datura "trip" and an LSD trip.

--- G.
 
just because 13 yr olds who get bored with with paint cans and wipped cream bulbs decide to eat some datura cause they heard it'll get them high and go and do a bunch of stupid shit doesn't mean there isn't plenty of other people using the plant in a respectful and educated manner and not making an ass of themselves. If you dont like the plant dont take it, but i think a drug forum is one place where people should be open minded enough to understand peoples desire to use substances such as datura.

Comparing datura and lsd to jumping out of a plane with and w/out a parachute is ridiculous. People who use datura aren't trying to kill themselves. They're either ignorant idiots who choose to get intoxicated with something they know nothing about, who, lets face, are going to do stupid things without datura, or they're people who have either been trained in shamanic practises or otherwise well educated on the nature of mind and the nature of datura who use it in a controlled enviroment and get a positive experience.

I don't understand why so many people think just because so many dickheads take it and do stupid things that it can't be used responsibly by someone else.

I'm 100% for warning people on the dangers of datura and im all for harm minimization. But I don't go overboard. In my experience datura produces no negative physical side effects such as nausea, sickness, pains, headachs, etc. There is no comedown. You feel fine afterwards. Theres plenty of substances which will cause far more harm to your body than datura.

Having said all this, anyone thinking of taking datura PLEASE PLEASE make sure that you are well educated and do it in a controlled, supervised enviroment. Because theres to many dickheads giving it a bad name. Be careful with it. Dont abuse it. Treat it with respect. but don't bad mouth it just because some people can't handle her powers. Its not for everyone and its not recreational.
 
Datura -Love it or hate it, YOU BETTER RESPECT IT!!!

I personally believe Datura is a gateway to hell

It shows the darker side of your inner being and the obscurity of boder reality/dream state......

Don't fuck with it, It ain't a party drug!!!!!
 
bbbcc: Point taken, the comparison was extreme for one thing.

However, the fact remains that this is a drug that carries more potential risks than virtually anything else we discuss here, and it's important to point that out. The sheer hell people regularly go through because of a single dose is more than enough justification to keep banging home the point that this is stuff that the vast majority of people will NOT enjoy.

That being said, an open mind is important in general, and if you choose to use Datura that is certainly your perogative and you don't deserve to be given shit about it.

I just happen to feel that the risks outweigh the benefit so massively, and the potential for disaster is so extreme, that even discussing it's use in passing without some sort of serious disclaimer would be irresponsible. If we anger 100 Datura enthusiasts and save a single kid from having one of the trips one reads about on Erowid, I'd consider it a fair exchange.

--- G.
 
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