incest (consenting) does it bother you?

[purplefirefly]

I'm not speaking of inbreeding, I'm speaking about incestual couples raising children as a whole. We've moved on from the topic of two relatives having a relationship, I could care less... it's when you get children involved. If you would read the beginning of this thread me and the OP got our little debate started by me expressing how it's wrong to bring up a child in such an environment and that there are kissing cousins in my family, both with children from other relationships. This is why I stated how tricky it will be to explain how your uncle is now your dad and your cousin is now your sister. The op is now on the topic of whether incestual couples should have the right to raise children... at least in our back and forth debacle which you chose to invade by putting words in my mouth....

I didn't know you were having a private conversation since this is a public message board and all.


How is this issue any different than any other alternative families? Gay people raising a child, interracial families...etc? We have begun to adapt as a society to deal with those things. Those children can still be picked on. My best friend in school only told a couple of people that her mother was gay when we were in school because she was scared of how she would be treated, and we lived in a relatively liberal area.

The problem is people who are so close minded, myself included to an extent, that appearances and what other people will think. I don't think that an incestuous couple should necessarily raise children, even from other relationships but that kind of makes me a hypocrite because I think that gay people should be able to raise children, for example. Life isn't necessarily easy for those children either. So where is the line drawn? To what is currently socially acceptable?

People still raise their children to hate gay people and or to be afraid of mental illness and physical disabilities because they don't understand the condition. Bigotry will always exist because people are always afraid of what they don't understand.

 

[jesric]

As it has currently been stated incest is wrong in the fact that it does cause a very high risk of birth defects. This in itself is what makes me so uncomfortable with the idea. It's also why you can't begin to compare it to homosexuality, you can't product children with homosexuality, so the birth defect issue isn't there.

With that said, looking at the act itself and not the entire situation is another story. I find it sort of sexy. Not in a "real life" sense, I'd never be attracted to a family member and never have been. But for fantasy/porn it does have an allure, possibly just because it is risque and a bit different. I have watched sister/brother videos before and yeah, they turned me on. The same way I have watched transsexual porn and it turned me on, but in real life it would be a different story.

 

[neoblazing]

I don't personally think its right but kids should never have to deal with this sort of situation I believe some things should stay a fantasy and purely that but that's just my view on it

 

[What 23]

I've been attracted to one of my cousins. And another cousin's daughter (closer to my age than cousin). Even had a pretty elaborate fantasy that I was supposed to be with her, in an exotic state of mind. My voices were calling me Franklin Delano Roosevelt, around then. On my mind also was my falling in love and being stuck on a girl with my mother's maiden name, I think- They seemed more to reference her but I investigated, and tried to keep an open mind. She- girl with mother's maiden name was the only person I've met outside of my family with the name, aside from her family. And I asked her to marry me (I backed away).

My cousin's daughter- this was on my moms side. As children she always acted like she liked me. Telling secrets to my other cousins daughter, smiling, then running away, playfully.

My sister had a crush on a cousin. These on my moms side could have been uncles, age wise. I thought they were for awhile.

The cousin I was attracted to was when I was in my early 20s. She began taking an interest in building a relationship with me. Non sexual. She wanted me to live with her in another city. I may have fantasized about her a time or two, and had conditions been right I may have attempted. I'm glad I didnt. Not in this day of age. I could see it happening with less population in the world.

I've also been attracted to my sister, and I think the feeling is mutual. She has really pretty eyes. I don't consider many girls hotter than her.

All in all, I'd say its nor recommended, unless I guess you have a special bond and that's what you really want. It may be "hot", in ways, but eh. Try not to have kids from it, at least. Unless you are both perfect beings.

Another girl (And other girls) I fell for had resonance with my mom in ways (and sister) but I doubt anyone wants to read the entire explanation here, as its a bit more distantly related to this topic precisely.

 

[meth444]

@chippytrippyfox: Well, i have Bs in psyc 101, abnormal psyc, and. childbood psyc (NOT dicksizing, or acting like anybody qualified to give an opinion) so i some knowledge, and from what i have read i think that the majority of incestual sexual contact is predatory. I will narrow my statement to parents, grandparents,and siblings, though. First cousins can be married in many states in the us.
So, my opinions fall like this:
Marriage, thus by default, sex, if mutual consent is exchanged, and no one gets harmed, it not my business, i wish them happiness!
Siblings: NO. Period. I do not believe that a siblings could EVER have a happy relationship, and the likelyhood of genetic issues is HUGE. So the couple is harmed, the children are harmed, and society is harmed. Parents/grandparents don't even need to be brought up, that is the worst of the worst.
However, to be true to myself, true to BL, I must say IMO.

 

[meth444]

oh, HTF, you asked me to define predator in this example. You have it, the older convincing the younger, and typicly the male would be taking advantage of the female.
Since I'm here, I have zero problem with roleplay....I was a Daddy Dom for 7 years. Also, note I said harmed: some like hurt!

 

[Maya]

As it has currently been stated incest is wrong in the fact that it does cause a very high risk of birth defects. This in itself is what makes me so uncomfortable with the idea. It's also why you can't begin to compare it to homosexuality, you can't product children with homosexuality, so the birth defect issue isn't there.

With that said, looking at the act itself and not the entire situation is another story. I find it sort of sexy. Not in a "real life" sense, I'd never be attracted to a family member and never have been. But for fantasy/porn it does have an allure, possibly just because it is risque and a bit different. I have watched sister/brother videos before and yeah, they turned me on. The same way I have watched transsexual porn and it turned me on, but in real life it would be a different story.

this^

Yes incest does bother me and I think it is absurd to compare it to homosexuality it just isnt comparable at all.. I just get goosebumps when I think of it, specially thinking to have a relationship with any family or relative.

On the other hand just like what jesric mentioned, the act is a different story, if two adults are role playing then it should be acceptable.

 

[Corazon]

It seems like for every taboo that exists, that some people will have a fantasy about it.

There's enough sex in this world without sex with your family members. You need family to be family.

As far as two random consenting adults in role play? I don't care WHAT you guys do! lol. Have fun.

Me personally? Not really a fantasy of mine. Sometimes I like when a girl calls me daddy, but because it's cute, not for any fantasy like that. And I had a gf who liked to be spanked, I never thought about it too deeply, but I'm guessing it was more a mild sub thing than anything.

 

[Pretty_Diamonds]

Yes, it bothers me and I think it's wrong.

 

[Bearlove]

This is what I'm referring to
I mean.. perhaps there could be the aspect of what one would consider "conditioning" but there are minor degrees and extreme degrees of coaxing for sexual encounter. It happens everywhere. How often do you see people say to a stranger "hey wanna have sex?" "Ok!". Most times one has to coax the other or convince them. I can't imagen it differs too much in incestuous relationships because as with all sexual encounters; SOMEONE must initiate. Does this make them a predator? I don't think it does really. Assuming they aren't pushing them way outside their comfort zone, threatening and taking advantage. I do belive that it can be more than just sex. It can be love too.

That being said; it can also be a simple matter of sex. Maybe they have no desire to be in a relationship and simply choose to participate in sexual acts together. I don't see how this should be wrong eigther considering how many fornication promiscuous happenings are considered normal. Friends with benifits? Fuck buddies?

Interesting topic. Thanks to all who are giving their real intputs! ^^

A family member usually has a lot more contact than a hook up at a bar though? Usually when your at a bar your either in the mood for a hook up or your not -simple. With a family member there is history, relationship, admiration, love already there - after that there could also be a fear factor involved?

If two family members met and a spark was made and this turned into them having sex - I don't care. If however a family member met another one (your bar scenario ) and chatted them up for sex because they wanted sex this is something else - consensual in this case is not the same?

Great topic btw

 

[Bearlove]

This is what I'm referring to
I mean.. perhaps there could be the aspect of what one would consider "conditioning" but there are minor degrees and extreme degrees of coaxing for sexual encounter. It happens everywhere. How often do you see people say to a stranger "hey wanna have sex?" "Ok!". Most times one has to coax the other or convince them. I can't imagen it differs too much in incestuous relationships because as with all sexual encounters; SOMEONE must initiate. Does this make them a predator? I don't think it does really. Assuming they aren't pushing them way outside their comfort zone, threatening and taking advantage. I do belive that it can be more than just sex. It can be love too.

That being said; it can also be a simple matter of sex. Maybe they have no desire to be in a relationship and simply choose to participate in sexual acts together. I don't see how this should be wrong eigther considering how many fornication promiscuous happenings are considered normal. Friends with benifits? Fuck buddies?

Interesting topic. Thanks to all who are giving their real intputs! ^^

*waves and sends huge hugs to Purplefirefly *

 

[purplefirefly]

this^

Yes incest does bother me and I think it is absurd to compare it to homosexuality it just isnt comparable at all.. I just get goosebumps when I think of it, specially thinking to have a relationship with any family or relative.

On the other hand just like what jesric mentioned, the act is a different story, if two adults are role playing then it should be acceptable.

Why is it absurd to compare the two? It is because homosexuality is generally more accepted these days and you can generally say that two gay people should be together and have children generally without any repercussions? ( I say generally because there is still a lot of homosexual hatred out there, unfortunately).

So, one idea hasn't been accepted by society and the other has (sort of anyway). You have learned to be grossed out and turned off by relationships with family members, so has most of society. It's a different type of relationship that is not accepted.

 

[Maya]

^comparing these two ideals are like comparing fire and ice. There is a limit as to what a human being should be accustomed to not only this is so wrong but this is insanity. You are not going to agree with me but I'd like you to really think about your comparison and then get back to me with a more solid answer.

 

[ChipTrippyFox]

A family member usually has a lot more contact than a hook up at a bar though? Usually when your at a bar your either in the mood for a hook up or your not -simple. With a family member there is history, relationship, admiration, love already there - after that there could also be a fear factor involved?

If two family members met and a spark was made and this turned into them having sex - I don't care. If however a family member met another one (your bar scenario ) and chatted them up for sex because they wanted sex this is something else - consensual in this case is not the same?

Great topic btw

Well if it's consentual then I don't see the problem provided manipulation did not occur. Perhaps it happened and one of them regrets it, this does not constitute predatory manipulation. People make decisions about having sex and later regretting it all the time. Assuming this happens and they explain that they feel they made a mistake and it never happens again, I think this simply constitutes as consentual sex.

 

[purplefirefly]

^comparing these two ideals are like comparing fire and ice. There is a limit as to what a human being should be accustomed to not only this is so wrong but this is insanity. You are not going to agree with me but I'd like you to really think about your comparison and then get back to me with a more solid answer.

Why are they like comparing fire and ice? What is the limit that a human being should be accustomed to? Where is the line drawn?

I want YOU to give me a more solid answer, "it's my opinion so it's truth" is not solid at all. It's completely full of holes.

And again, for the record, I have been to taught to think that incest is repulsive, I DO believe that incest is repulsive but the difference is that I am aware that I have socially been taught to think that way. I also think a lot of other things are repulsive but my personal preferences shouldn't necessarily sway the legality of an issue. Should golden showers between two consenting adults be illegal because I find it disgusting? Absolutely not. Why should sex between two consenting adults be illegal? I DO however think reproduction between two blood related adults should be illegal because it could be detrimental to the species if they conceive, therefore those people should be sterilized.


Your turn.

 

[pofacedhoe]

okay i shall explain something. my cousins have cows on their farm and the male calf would hump every female cow on the farm but never his own mother.

if cows can grasp its a bad idea from instinct because they aren't sitting and having a philosophical debate about it, then why is it so difficult for humans.

its not in the same ball park as homosexuality simply because gays can bang and walk away from it like straight people. you fuck your sister and that will hang in the air for the foreseeable future tainting your relationship and creating a weird family dynamic

"hey bro can you pass the peas"

"yes sis would you like them stuffed in your vag along with my man gravy?"...............

awkward

 

[Black Rabbit of Inle]

Why are they like comparing fire and ice?

Because one causes genetic stagnation, completely removing that DNA from being viable in any circumstance. The other has no such downside to it.

Yes they are comparable if you're comparing a persons freedom to love, but inbreeding holds serious consequences in the long run and homosexuality doesn't.

^Like poe said, animals grasp the fact that family breeding is not viable, although I believe it's because they hold a different perspective on 'love' (can't exactly say they don't have the capacity for it).

 

[purplefirefly]

So, homosexuality has no potential consequence? Homosexuality eliminates the ability to procreate altogether. This is being stated at more granular level but...if homosexuality was the dominant sexuality then how would the species survive? At this point in time we are at a point of overpopulation so the point is a bit moot but who knows how things can change.

Procreation is not always the point of sex, I would in fact venture to say that it's almost always pleasure overall. Just as "normal" couples utilize birth control to prevent pregnancy, an incestuous couple may do the same. What if the incestuous couple took active measures to ensure that conception would not occur?

 

[w01fg4ng]

Interesting topic.

On the comparison with Homosexual couples. There are many people that get "goosebumps" when they think of gay people having sex, this does not make it wrong. This does apply to incest as well.

And as far as having kids through incest, that's just fucked. But the truth is we have been fucking our sisters and brothers and mothers and fathers since the beginning of time. Even the bible will tell you this. How in the fuck did Adam and Eve's children NOT fuck each other?

 

[Black Rabbit of Inle]

So, homosexuality has no potential consequence? Homosexuality eliminates the ability to procreate altogether. This is being stated at more granular level but...if homosexuality was the dominant sexuality then how would the species survive? At this point in time we are at a point of overpopulation so the point is a bit moot but who knows how things can change.

Procreation is not always the point of sex, I would in fact venture to say that it's almost always pleasure overall. Just as "normal" couples utilize birth control to prevent pregnancy, an incestuous couple may do the same. What if the incestuous couple took active measures to ensure that conception would not occur?

No, homosexuals can still donate eggs/sperm to infertile couples. It does not lead to genetic stagnation. It's true that if homosexuality was the dominant sexuality that procreation would drop, but it wouldn't kill off our species completely as there would still be straight couples, just a lot less frequent births (probably a damned good thing).

I've already said I'm fine with the idea of incestuous love, just dont have kids. It's not my thing but I'm not going to despise anyone who engages in it.