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incest (consenting) does it bother you?

But that risk doesn't just impact the family members in a relationship, a child with genetic defects didn't ask to be born and has to deal with those consequences for the rest of his/her life. I do have a problem with people whose actions negatively impact the quality of life of another. If brothers and sisters want to be sexual with one another then they should sterilize themselves.
 
ChipTrippyFox said:
This is somthing that's been on my mind alot recently.

Incest. Specificaly between siblings of a similiar age but not limited to that; including cousins and other direct family.
Also once again I'm talking about consent. Not molestation.

I see incest as somthing similiar to homosexuality
I belive a person should not be limited to whom they may choose to love or be condemned for which consenting adults one chooses to perform sexual actions with. If a brother and sister love eachother to the point of a romantic relationship.. why can't they have one?
I actualy think the idea is kinda cute.. much like how someone would take an interest in a relationship with a long term childhood best friend.

Actualy scratch that. I find incest to be down right fucking sexy. I'll admit it's my strongest and favorite fantasy (no I'm not in an incestuous relationship of any kind nor have I ever been. )

So how about you guys? What is your general input regarding g family romantic relationships?
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At first I would say, if its consensual then I have zero problem. However ...this is very border line grooming (a family member who is a few years older/or more mature than their younger/older counterpart could easily talk the younger (or more manipulative family member) into what is deemed consensual sex.

If its completely consensual then - I don't care :D
 
purplefirefly said:
But that risk doesn't just impact the family members in a relationship, a child with genetic defects didn't ask to be born and has to deal with those consequences for the rest of his/her life. I do have a problem with people whose actions negatively impact the quality of life of another. If brothers and sisters want to be sexual with one another then they should sterilize themselves.
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I don't disagree :) as I've stated before, I'm not in favor of inbreeding.
The risks I had assumed we were talking about were spawned by you bringing up the difficulties of separation of a relationship.

I see a pretty common trend spawning here. Seems the idea of inbreeding is far more off putting to people than the idea of incest itself
 
Bearlove said:
At first I would say, if its consensual then I have zero problem. However ...this is very border line grooming (a family member who is a few years older/or more mature than their younger/older counterpart could easily talk the younger (or more manipulative family member) into what is deemed consensual sex.

If its completely consensual then - I don't care :D
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This is what I'm referring to :)
I mean.. perhaps there could be the aspect of what one would consider "conditioning" but there are minor degrees and extreme degrees of coaxing for sexual encounter. It happens everywhere. How often do you see people say to a stranger "hey wanna have sex?" "Ok!". Most times one has to coax the other or convince them. I can't imagen it differs too much in incestuous relationships because as with all sexual encounters; SOMEONE must initiate. Does this make them a predator? I don't think it does really. Assuming they aren't pushing them way outside their comfort zone, threatening and taking advantage. I do belive that it can be more than just sex. It can be love too.

That being said; it can also be a simple matter of sex. Maybe they have no desire to be in a relationship and simply choose to participate in sexual acts together. I don't see how this should be wrong eigther considering how many fornication promiscuous happenings are considered normal. Friends with benifits? Fuck buddies?

Interesting topic. Thanks to all who are giving their real intputs! ^^
 
ChipTrippyFox said:
I don't disagree :) as I've stated before, I'm not in favor of inbreeding.
The risks I had assumed we were talking about were spawned by you bringing up the difficulties of separation of a relationship.

I see a pretty common trend spawning here. Seems the idea of inbreeding is far more off putting to people than the idea of incest itself
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Aye. Thanks for the clarification.

I'm completely skeeved about the idea (as I've been taught to be) and would never do it myself, if the adults are consenting and it truly is on the "up and up" then I don't think it's anyone's business to tell them no and this is under the understanding that inbreeding never occurs.
 
ChipTrippyFox said:
Well what I meant was, sure kids will have the urge to pick on things, but what it is they choose to pick on is based on what their parents and peers teach them is "normal" and whether or not being not normal is somthing that should be shamed.
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So your telling me parents teach their children kids to make fun of kids with braces? Kids with alot of acne? Kids with a handicap? Kids will choose what they want to make fun of, despite what they were taught what is right and wrong... what your saying makes no sense. How do you explain to your child that your uncle is now your father? How do you explain that your cousin is now your sister? Are you really trying to say that this will have no effect on a childs mental health? Bullying aside...
 
While this isn't my personal cup of tea I don't really see anything wrong with it. The risk of genetic defect is actually pretty low for the first generation offspring. You have a much, much bigger problem if the children of an incestuous relationship went on to have one themselves. Much like in breeding plants or animals it can take several generations of inbreeding to bring out certain traits. That was the problem in Europe. It was 100's of years of inbreeding that eventually caused problems in certain individuals. Especially in the age we live in with readily available genetic testing the biggest hurdle is people's negative opinion of it.
 
purplefirefly said:
Aye. Thanks for the clarification.

I'm completely skeeved about the idea (as I've been taught to be) and would never do it myself, if the adults are consenting and it truly is on the "up and up" then I don't think it's anyone's business to tell them no and this is under the understanding that inbreeding never occurs.
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This is how i see it :)
treezy z said:
i don't know if you're from the south but north east that shit is worse than fucking an animal, you might catch a beating for that shit.
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im from the north east thanks :)

CaptainKratom said:
So your telling me parents teach their children kids to make fun of kids with braces? Kids with alot of acne? Kids with a handicap? Kids will choose what they want to make fun of, despite what they were taught what is right and wrong... what your saying makes no sense. Are you really trying to say that this will How do you explain to your child that your uncle is now your father? How do you explain that your cousin is now your sister? have no effect on a childs mental health? Bullying aside...
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No thats not what im trying to say at all.

If you dont understand what im trying to say i wont bother with it.

I do understand that it would have a degree of impact on their mental health, im not trying to say that it wouldnt. =/

Are you really trying to say that this will How do you explain to your child that your uncle is now your father? How do you explain that your cousin is now your sister?
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"How am I supposed to explain to my children that a man can love another man!"
Remember that line???

Heres how: You explain it. Its not really complicated..
 
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CaptainKratom said:
So your telling me parents teach their children kids to make fun of kids with braces? Kids with alot of acne? Kids with a handicap? Kids will choose what they want to make fun of, despite what they were taught what is right and wrong... what your saying makes no sense. How do you explain to your child that your uncle is now your father? How do you explain that your cousin is now your sister? Are you really trying to say that this will have no effect on a childs mental health? Bullying aside...
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You don't think bullying is learned behavior? Young children do not "see" the differences in the colors of skin, for example. No one is just born to hate, it's learned either directly or indirectly. Look at how impressionable the media is on children. Look at the statistics of how many young girls have eating disorders. To say that children just arbitrarily learn to bully is totally naive. Kids these days are taught all about "perfectionism" and anything that does not meet that standard will be called out.
 
bluephoenix said:
While this isn't my personal cup of tea I don't really see anything wrong with it. The risk of genetic defect is actually pretty low for the first generation offspring. You have a much, much bigger problem if the children of an incestuous relationship went on to have one themselves. Much like in breeding plants or animals it can take several generations of inbreeding to bring out certain traits. That was the problem in Europe. It was 100's of years of inbreeding that eventually caused problems in certain individuals. Especially in the age we live in with readily available genetic testing the biggest hurdle is people's negative opinion of it.
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Indeed!
Of course I dont picture this as somthing that is going to be pickited and protested as "FREE EQUAL RIGHTS FOR INCESTUOUS COUPLES"
More simply im trying to just get a general discussion going to see how the bluelight community (one of the most honest open minded communities ive experienced) reacts to it.

Its not somthing ive practiced (ive only got one yonger brother whom i still picture as a baby even though he is almost graduated LOL; I dont have any feelings like that towards him) but specificly the fantasy of brother-sister sex is a rather predominant fetish of mine and im not going to be ashamed to admit it nor will i be persuaded to leave by threats and ridicule
(im looking at you treezy z )
 
purplefirefly said:
You don't think bullying is learned behavior? Young children do not "see" the differences in the colors of skin, for example. No one is just born to hate, it's learned either directly or indirectly. Look at how impressionable the media is on children. Look at the statistics of how many young girls have eating disorders. To say that children just arbitrarily learn to bully is totally naive. Kids these days are taught all about "perfectionism" and anything that does not meet that standard will be called out.
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THANK YOU

at least SOMEONE here gets my point
 
^ Haha so your saying because you teach your kids that it's "normal" to be the product of incest that other families will teach their kids the same? The core family isn't the problem, it's the other 1,000,000+ kids whos parents don't see this as normal and haven't spoken to their children about incest that's gonna cause problems, THAT is gonna cause unnecessary mental distress :)
 
My 4 year old says she's going to marry her (2nd) cousin. Which I think is cute. But in all seriousness I would not allow such a relationship to begin in the first place.
Having an incestuous relationship occurring in a house (meaning immediate family members are having sex) seems much more disturbing than 1st cousins having sex. Either siblings are having sex, or parents are having sex with their children. I am more bothered by parents having sex with their children. Ok I'm bothered A LOT. I'm familiar with families that have very loose boundaries within the family, where the mother cares a bit too much about her son's life and he shares more information with her than would seem morally acceptable (sex life information and whatnot).
I just can't think of a situation where I'd find immediate-family incest acceptable.

In the example of the OP, the people having the relationship have children. I do not think the children should be forced to deal with such a situation.
 
purplefirefly said:
You don't think bullying is learned behavior? Young children do not "see" the differences in the colors of skin, for example. No one is just born to hate, it's learned either directly or indirectly. Look at how impressionable the media is on children. Look at the statistics of how many young girls have eating disorders. To say that children just arbitrarily learn to bully is totally naive. Kids these days are taught all about "perfectionism" and anything that does not meet that standard will be called out.
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Of course it is! That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm saying that there are other influences besides what parents teach their kids what's right and wrong. What parent teaches their kids that it's right to make fun of a handicapped person? Yet you still have kids doing just that, most know it's wrong but they still choose to make fun because their children :\. Chippy is totally neglecting the effect that outside influences has and keeps saying that as long as the parents explain things then everythings gonnna be alright... hello!!! Not everyone else is gonna feel the same way and to think that a kid won't be made fun of for being a product of incest is rather ignorant, kids and even teens seek for things to make fun of, usually to make themselves feel better. Tis the nature of growing up..

In the example of the OP, the people having the relationship have children.I donot think the children should be forced todeal with such a situation.
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Thank you... To answer your question chippy, why is it selfish? Because their are billions of other fish in the sea yet because you wanna choose to get involved with a family member for your own happiness (which can be found in the arms of another) your gonna put your children in a situation that's detrimental to their mental health. I wish the world wasn't built on labels but the sad truth it is, whether you wanna believe it or not.
 
The Op has already stated that he doesn't agree with inbreeding. That seems to be the consensus of everyone. The debate is about two blood related consenting adults engaging in sexual activities together.
 
Since I'm not a liberal I don't feel the need to tell others what they can or cannot do
 
I'm not speaking of inbreeding, I'm speaking about incestual couples raising children as a whole. We've moved on from the topic of two relatives having a relationship, I could care less... it's when you get children involved. If you would read the beginning of this thread me and the OP got our little debate started by me expressing how it's wrong to bring up a child in such an environment and that there are kissing cousins in my family, both with children from other relationships. This is why I stated how tricky it will be to explain how your uncle is now your dad and your cousin is now your sister. The op is now on the topic of whether incestual couples should have the right to raise children... at least in our back and forth debacle which you chose to invade by putting words in my mouth....
 
lcrlover said:
Since I'm not a liberal I don't feel the need to tell others what they can or cannot do
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That's funny cuz republicans always claim they want little gov't involvement yet as soon as topics like drug legalization, abortion, and gay marriage come up you get a bunch of 80 year old, bible thumping, closet homosexuals expressing their disgust and opposition :\… and no I'm not a liberal, I believe the whole two party system is a fucking joke and creates red vs blue instead of people choosing what they really believe in. I hope your being sarcastic, liberals are usually the ones who are about personal freedom when it comes to topics like this.
 
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