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incest (consenting) does it bother you?

ChipTrippyFox said:
Well if it's consentual then I don't see the problem provided manipulation did not occur.
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I agree 100% :) (but this conclusion /revelation has nothing to do with homosexuality) Unless your saying sex between two consenting adults without manipulation includes gay men.
 
purplefirefly said:
So, homosexuality has no potential consequence? Homosexuality eliminates the ability to procreate altogether. This is being stated at more granular level but...if homosexuality was the dominant sexuality then how would the species survive? At this point in time we are at a point of overpopulation so the point is a bit moot but who knows how things can change.

Procreation is not always the point of sex, I would in fact venture to say that it's almost always pleasure overall. Just as "normal" couples utilize birth control to prevent pregnancy, an incestuous couple may do the same. What if the incestuous couple took active measures to ensure that conception would not occur?
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Why is it pleasurable, for the most part, to begin with? I got into this in another thread (abortion in CE&p). I believe it is a reward mechanism for procreation. And when a male ejaculates its filled with sperm and substances designed to keep that sperm alive for as long as possible, and counteract the environment inside the vagina. Homosexual sex is not "equal" to regular old sex. I know you aren't arguing this but it just brought it up in my mind.

Besides getting off, homosexual sex seems pointless to me. Seems shallow. Empty. Not going anywhere, except maybe interpersonal bonding if its your cup of tea.

People can take offense, but its not as important to the species. Not to sat it doesn't have, or they"" don't have function and benefit to it.

I do have to say homosexuals can still mate and sometimes do. Just not with each other. But you knew that. We just can't start a colony with two males.

But I would have to say it is less dangerous, in our world, and really of no consequence (unless nobody can or many cant get off with the opposite sex, God forbid), compared with incest. Incest (very close) does have the potential to weaken people... And in a world where we already have worries about weakened genes, and people waiting until they are in their 30s to have children, we really don't need more challenges to our health.

I would not say its a great comparison.
 
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What 23 said:
Why is it pleasurable, for the most part, to begin with? I got into this in another thread (abortion in CE&p). I believe it is a reward mechanism for procreation.
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obvious?

What 23 said:
And when a male ejaculates its filled with sperm and substances designed to keep that sperm alive for as long as possible, and counteract the environment inside the vagina...
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irrelevant?

What 23 said:
Homosexual sex is not "equal" to regular old sex. I know you aren't arguing this but it just brought it up in my mind.

Besides getting off, homosexual sex seems pointless to me. Seems shallow. Empty. Not going anywhere, except maybe interpersonal bonding if its your cup of tea.

People can take offense, but its not as important to the species. Not to sat it doesn't have, or they"" don't have function and benefit to it.

I do have to say homosexuals can still mate and sometimes do. Just not with each other. But you knew that. We just can't start a colony with two males.
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So you are saying - since homosexual sex seems shallow to you... and there is no chance of pregnancy... then homosexual sex is not 'equal' to the usual kind.

Whats your point, what do you even mean by not equal?


What 23 said:
Incest (very close) does have the potential to weaken people... And in a world where we already have worries about weakened genes, and people waiting until they are in their 30s to have children, we really don't need more challenges to our health.
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Incest first and foremost is a human rights issue, the gene pool effects are at a huge tangent the central issues
 
A big spark was about sex being usually for pleasure, in the words I quoted. I mean, maybe we have children for pleasure. Maybe living is pleasure. Maybe pleasure is the goal. Where one kind of "sex" not being equal to real sex (I don't really fully consider oral sex sex, nor anal sex... "fucking", or some other word might work), one kind of sex is the big reason we have the organs to do it in the first place. Not to say we don't find other uses.

I'm not sure what to say in response to the bit about gene effects not being an issue. What are you saying? That it should be fine for a brother and sister to have children? Or human rights as in abuses that might occur?
 
I don't see evolutionary or broad biological prerogatives as relevant to individual choices. Evolution does its thing, the individuals do theirs, no moral reason for an individual to try and adhere to the broader plan of nature.

And besides, who knows what evolution is up to anyhow. There must be an evolutionary advantage to homosexuality or it wouldn't exist. For instance perhaps a certain % of low testosterone men are provided for... to cut down on the number of high testosterone males. To many alphas and we'd too much time killing each other to compete against other species. Monogomy is a fairly recent thing on those timescales which skews things further.

But nevermind that, point being there may be subtlties involved we cant easily see. So making assumptions about the process of design to decide if people are using their bodies correctly, is bad logic to me.

I feel that fucking your sibling is an abuse even if they do 'consent' - because the by definition the consent cant have been given at arms length.

Even in the case of being separated at birth and meeting in later life - once you know you are related then its still a no because of the direct impact of the gene effects on the resulting baby. Not so much because of the overall dilution/degradation of the broader pool.
 
SproutOnSmack said:
No, it opposing hypotheticality with realism.
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Oh because I was about to make the connection of synthetic incest. Like the time a girlfriend of mine (we'll call her SoFacedShoe) called me daddy in the bed room. I'm totally not related to her, but it felt like it because of the way she said it.
 
OP is not responding to his own thread lol....8)

WTF probably wanking off on all the attention this thread is getting. ;)

Edit- thread needs a poll:

' Incest is the best'
or

'wtf hell no motherfucker'<---- no pun intended !!!
 
I am kind of ashamed to admit it, I'm an only child an I wish I had a brother to fool around with (I'm a gay guy). I don't think incest is really right,, but I think it's entirely possible to have romantic feelings for a sibling or other family member. It's an odd topic. BUt i do admit that I find it hot, even if it's a horrible thought to most people. Idk,
 
What 23 said:
Why is it pleasurable, for the most part, to begin with? I got into this in another thread (abortion in CE&p). I believe it is a reward mechanism for procreation. And when a male ejaculates its filled with sperm and substances designed to keep that sperm alive for as long as possible, and counteract the environment inside the vagina. Homosexual sex is not "equal" to regular old sex. I know you aren't arguing this but it just brought it up in my mind.

Besides getting off, homosexual sex seems pointless to me. Seems shallow. Empty. Not going anywhere, except maybe interpersonal bonding if its your cup of tea.

People can take offense, but its not as important to the species. Not to sat it doesn't have, or they"" don't have function and benefit to it.

I do have to say homosexuals can still mate and sometimes do. Just not with each other. But you knew that. We just can't start a colony with two males.

But I would have to say it is less dangerous, in our world, and really of no consequence (unless nobody can or many cant get off with the opposite sex, God forbid), compared with incest. Incest (very close) does have the potential to weaken people... And in a world where we already have worries about weakened genes, and people waiting until they are in their 30s to have children, we really don't need more challenges to our health.

I would not say its a great comparison.
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Is sex between two heterosexual people shallow and empty if they don't conceive? Women have a clitoris while is designed for nothing but pleasure. I think humans were wired to enjoy sex and use it for means other than sexual pleasure.
 
I don't think it is right in the real world, because too many bad things could happen. But I fuckin love incest porn, it really gets me going.
 
gr33n3y3z said:
OP is not responding to his own thread lol....8)

WTF probably wanking off on all the attention this thread is getting. ;)
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Ouch!
I didn't realise my presence was so important to you! I'm sowwies :'c

Also you seem to be short sighted to see that there are more categories here than family fuckers and complete haters.

so far I've witnessed those who

1 find it hot in a literal sense; would/have done the deed
2 find it hot in a hypothetical sense
3 have no attraction to the idea but no problem with it
4 find that it is improper but do not impose on those who choose to partake
5 find it improper and sinful(?) And completely moraly wrong on the scale of murder

As well as other sub categories.

I apologize for your small demeaning thought process, it's too bad you seemingly can not possibly comprehend maturity regarding a subject you do not like. (Along with others with similiar posts to yours)

For the record, I find the non insulting jokes funny.

like the apple falling from the tree comment. Hehe. Priceless
 
Also my point remains that people can't seem to get off the subject of babies being their only argument against the act of incest lol.

Like many non incestuous couples are able to have sex without conceiving, how does it have to be different?
I still don't understand how some of you also don't belive it's possible to have consent eigther. They both willingly a knowledge that they are related yet still want to fuck eachother. Assuming that eigther of them at any time can withdraw consent and no further forced action is taken, how is it any different? I don't see a difference. Consent is consent.
 
Is this backwoods Alabama? You're not going to find many people who are down with incest... Get over it. AFAIK no one's really stopping family members from fucking each other if they really want to but it's fucking disgusting.
 
CTF, I don't think you're going to get the logical argument out of the naysayer's like you want. Maybe it touches on an exposed nerve for them/dredges up shit they don't want to deal with, or maybe they just can't explain the reasoning behind their cultural brainwashing because they can't think for themselves.

IMO this topic is lost, people don't know what they're arguing anymore and then religion gets brought into it (for no reason at all)
 
People who think incest is disgusting are culturally brainwashed? Wow, just wow. There's people out there that have nothing wrong with pedophilia. Would you say the same thing about that, that anyone who has a problem with that just isn't thinking for themselves? After all it could be consensual and the age of consent is just a social construct.
 
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I think the "naysayers" have quite a logical argument. Instinct causes us to repel our relatives sexually.

That's not a moral argument, nor is it religious.

Obviously, there are outliers amongst us. One of the biggest incestuous groups in N. America is actually the Hutterites, whose beliefs are based upon part of the New Testament.
 
lol okay =D whatever you say!

On topic:
So are you having feelings towards another family member(s)?
And by this thread are you just looking for some sort of peace within yourself due to these thoughts of incest?
Also maybe in the back of your head you may find these thoughts are wrong, but are you trying to justify how you feel?

I'm sorry to say if you haven't realized this already but the majority of BL members are just going to shit on this thread, because most people find this topic revolting.
Have you Googled other forums for this sort of topic you might have better responses. I just don't see you getting any legit advice/experience's from other members, even if some people do find it arousing like yourself some people may not want to put that sort of info out online like that (Tis a drug forum).

Look I'm not trying to bash you I'm just more sarcastic and like to joke around a bit. You can look into my profile and look at most of my post I'm either joking around or giving advice to people.
 
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