physix
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defi said:
i think the issue is the promoter-controlled stages, not the individual stage. were you guys booked by the promoters or by an outside soundstage?
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i think the issue is the promoter-controlled stages, not the individual stage. were you guys booked by the promoters or by an outside soundstage? 
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I'm really excited to see and hear what comes of this event. I wasnt the only one hesitant to recieve this "torch" of course, but as mentioned... after reviewing the necessary resources to move forward after the event administration began to subtly fade ... it seemed to be a better opportunity to see the Infared Productions work... and make a decision for future events.
A bit much for one person to manage solely the weekend festivals are. At one point I had ascertained moving forward with one Steady B. if he so elected to give it a shot.
And there does exist some indiana representation including Indianapolis which is good.
We could argue whether or not Indiana "needs" a firm hand in everything branded with the "Midwest" title... and despite our efforts over the last few years.... while Indiana is on the map... I cant say we've reached any relative saturation in the scope "Rave" oriented events.
As a matter of fact, many of Indiana's influential EDM advocates (in particular those of Indianapolis) have expressed without any equivocation a certian unsavory disposition for most events which lack a club orientation. So while I'm surprised by the expressed dissapointment(s), I understand that you just cant take the "rave" out of the raver... while taking the raver out of the rave.
None the less, this doesnt mean you wont continue to see 500 - 1000 peeps assembling at events in Indiana, it just means ya have to carry a "blissful" box of facial tissue to soothe the moisture welling in the eyes of those who oppose.
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Jimmi Journey said:
We could argue "needs" all day long, but I would steadfastly maintain that Indiana DESERVES to be represented at something claiming to be a MIDWEST festival, if not for our history with "raves", then for the world reknown talent bringing attention to the Nap AND the Midwest. Things may be suffering on an event level here in Indiana, but the creative output of electronic music producers here is NOT.
The fact that these guys completely ignored DETROIT speaks a lot to their understanding of the Midwest and the history of this music as well. Completely ridiculous. But then again, it's hard to get the talent from Detroit to come out and play some side stage for less than chump change.
Jimmi Journey said:
I think you are mistaking a healthy dose of cynicism toward "rave" promoting to be some sort of hatred toward the thing that got most of us to where we are today. I have certain frustrations with having everything driven into clubs (the lack of forward thinking when it comes to things that fall outside the mainstream for instance), but I also have seen just about every kind of BS imaginable from slack rave promoters, so there is a certain need (once you have been through all of that) for some security and steadiness that clubs provide.
Jimmi Journey said:
And after a relatively understandable post, I have no idea wtf you are talking about in this last part.
physix
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thank gawd the only thing i saw was
DJ Shiva
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This one was actually relatively coherent, despite the usual verbosity.
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physix said:
= win
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DJ Shiva said:
Lol, we could argue "needs" all day long, but Brandon would obviously dominate such an effort.
Your accuracy comes as no surprise, Indiana certainly does "Deserve", because Indiana has supported EDM culture... not only in Indiana.... but abroad. Indiana's EDM advocates have never been afraid to travel (despite the rising cost of travel), attending events crafted by local, regional, national, and international promotion and tour groups.
Artist aside (without marginalization), I'm talking about dancing feet, party peeps, and good vibes alone. Warm fuzzy moments created by candy bracelets, hugs, smiles, head bobs, toe taps, laughs, smiles, love, care, and time.
The dancing feet of those who guide, help and protect… dancing feet that summons a posse and scale the earth for hours.... seeking to build a sacred moment.
As a DJ, Promoter, or Producer.... I compose but the smallest fraction of the whole . In this light.... I am nothing..... in comparison to the whole... but a resounding echo in the ether.
50,000 dancing feet... 500 or so booked artist and promoters at pni3( a ratio of 20:1).
So when I think about what INDIANA "DESERVES"... and "WHY"....
I have to hand it to "Dancing Feet"…
And I cant find any reason why I wouldn’t want to hand it to dancing feet.
When I'm behind the decks ... I cant come to any conclusion that it has anything what so ever to do with what the "artists deserves".... when before my two eyes... are one thousand ears.... still a dance floor of 501.
Much to the contrary... the "Artist" could be thought to hold a responsibility to the audience....
Making it 20 times MORE about what the audience "DESERVES" than what the artist "DESERVES".( it all falls apart if you count the artist "out" altogether)
Cause as an artist.... I'm just doing "my part"... a part which is no more or less "Deserving" than any other part that one could chose to manifest... or any other artist who may manifest it.
As far as history....
Yesterday don’t owe a man shit, it doesn’t even owe a man "Today", and certainly not "Tomorrow".
These things one owes one's self. Those seeking compensation elsewhere.... are "seekers" and not "finders"... and seek they do "Lost" in the unfound.
But with “Respect” to history… it’s guidance holds the potential to transform “Seekers” to “Finders”.
Residing in Indiana, (Bloomington)...
I'm so excited to see Just 3 White Guys of Indianapolis representing Indiana in tandem with the northern Indiana progress.
For the midwest to experience Just 3 White Guys is a big deal... the shit is fresh ,dope, and consistent every MF time see. They really are something to see, hear, enjoy, and even hold a sincere discussion with.
Down to earth…. Yet out of this world.
I mean, 2 of them rip and juggle spine tingling breaks, and then dude sprinkles mad cuts and chops over it.
You might think it would be a clusterfuck..
But BEHOLD... Just 3 White Guys execute each performance with acute precision and tenacious skill.
It’s a fine example of that INDIANA CHRONIC see.
The best weapon... is one you fire but once... and this is much that sort of case.
And gosh...
Northern Indiana has been running circles around Central Indiana in the production scope over the past year (or more) and I'm absolutely THRILLED that they have secured a stage, much "respect"(for lack of a better "R" word).
I guess what I'm saying is... in response to the current outcome....
Disappointed? Yes, to some degree.
Excited? Hell Yeah!
Offended? LOL, Certainly not.
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how is it that the attendance for pni3 goes up every time jimmi brings it up?indysmilekid
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physix said:
Hey now...easy on the hardcore. Love it or hate it it's always going to be around!
Keep Smiling,
Jeff The Smile KidSkippiE
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hardcore sucks. the end.
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Jimmi Journey said:
you are a mystery! a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma...
could u just make a post that doesn't consist of your self-imposed esoteric bullshit?
wait...that was a dumb request. of course you can't.
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Jimmi Journey said:
all that is happy dappy bullshit. do i appreciate the people who have supported the efforts over the years? sure i do. but without the efforts of the people making the music, spinning the tunes, and putting together the events, those "dancing feet" would be shuffling away in their living room to utter silence.
your logic is flawed.
indiana DESERVES representation. period. end dot.
that said, i am more than happy to be anywhere other than dealing with the clusterfuck that i believe this will be. considering (and again, no diss to matt) that these guys put their faith in a person with the least amount of promotion experience in indy, i am not really confident that they have any clue what they are doing.
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//discussiongizzmo said:
And I think that’s a question that a lot of us have asked our selves at one time or another. And we’re certainly not the only ones that share this point of view.DJ Shiva said:
Conversely, without those dancing feet… you’d be shuffling through records in your living room to a dancefloor of 1 (In an opinion)DJ Shiva said:
But your logic isn’t flawed… its just different than mine. As we can see, structurally, the arguments are quite similar… each one somewhat implying the other via law of the "natural corelative".
If by “flawed” you mean “different”, then sure… ok.DJ Shiva said:
DJ Shiva said:
Just 3 White Guys …
The name ironically fits the tone.
See… that’s the beauty of it…
“It aint representation… It’s Just 3 White Guys!”
DJ Shiva said:
You make Indiana “Happy”, certainly Shiva.
DJ Shiva said:
Even if they don’t have a "clue"(as you versed it), they certainly have a good idea, and the confidence to pursue it… this is equally as valuable as experience.
Again, I respect your opinion… it’s different than mine, and for that reason I truly admire it.
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