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I was on another forum, and the topic of drugs came about.

Now, the forum is full of ignorant kids, but, I just had to post this somewhere.

A person actually said that there can be "NO SUCH THING AS RESPONSIBLE DRUG USE"

I couldn't just let that one slide. No way jose.

I told him he was wrong. And that it is up to the person using the drugs to be responsible or not. I then tried to explain it to him in terms with a drug he (and the rest of the forum) could relate to, alcohol. (seeing as how many of them don't do anything else). For the other users that have used drugs, I put it in terms of taking Ecstasy.

I put it in very simple terms.

I said that, Responsible Drug Use would include:
Knowing your limit when drinking (Chatty, relaxed, Maybe a little bit tipsy, giggly, etc.)
&
Trying a new E pill for the first time, you take 1/2 of one, or a full one.

and Irresonsible Drug Use would include:
Going overboard when drinking (we all do, sometimes) (Throwing up everywhere, starting fights, talking shit, breaking things).
&
Trying a new E pill for the first time, you take 6 at once.


Now, users of bluelight, do you not think that I have a valid statement here?
Or do you think I am wrong?

It's just that so many people on that board simply refused to understand what I said. Maybe I could be wrong (i'd love to be corrected then, maybe they'd understand now (lol)?) What would you classify as responsible drug use, and what would you classify as irresponsible drug use?
 
torigori said:
I can really see both sides here. On the one hand, I think that we can be responsible by knowing our limits and never doing anything that would harm ourselves... which "responsible" limit you are prob referring to.
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I couldn't agree with you more bro. it's hard to realize that drugs can be all fun and games while also being not all fun and games. it's a double-edged sword really, fellas. it can depend on a lot of things, like type of drugs, how much of the drug you use, etc. in my experiences drugs were a fuckin' game until I became hooked on the needle. it went all downhill from there... and I know if I go back to that I'll be back to pawning my momma's washer/dryer for a hit or two ;)
 
I know exactly what ur saying. I even told this guy that there was no such things a "safe" drug use, because of all the shit in drugs sometimes. But you can be responsible by doing certain things.

And I know I should've stated this eariler, but he was also mentioning what people DO on drugs. Not just taking them.

He was going on about, "When you are high, you are able to kill somebody, because you have no control over what you are doing, why do you think so many people die/kill somebody from/when driving high?"

Honestly, if I am fucked. Like I don't mean a spliff 2 hours ago that's basically worn off, I mean like, a half quarter of shrooms + E + K + bong rips, I AINT GONNA THINK "Hey! I'm gonna go out driving!" beacuse that is just STUPID. Anyone that does that isn't being responsible.

I gave him a scenario.
4 people.
Two categories.

two people are completely fucked (lets say on some sort of dissociative/psych) and decide they want to go out driving.

two other people are completely fucked on the exact same stuff as the people mentioned above, but they know they shouldn't be out on the road driving in this case.

The categories are:
Making responsible decisions while under the influence. - I put the ones that knew it wasn't a good idea to drive under this.
Making irresponsible decisions while under the influence. - I put the ones that went out driving under this.

I know every1 is different, certain drugs do certain things, etc etc. But like honestly, you can tell two people know what they shouldn't do, and the other two people don't give a fuck.
 
There's a difference between responsible drug use and safe drug use. I agree with Tiesto that, on drugs, you can definitely take a responsible role in keeping youself away from harm (like driving), not taking too much, keeping youself hydrated, etc. At the same time though, it is impossible to have 100% safe drug use, physically and psychologically, so by taking drugs, you are putting yourself into a vulnerable position, but by taking the right precautions you can be responsible the the best extent possible, considering the situation.
 
There are so many people who are so stupid about drug use, and that includes the people using drugs. It seems obvious to use Bluelighters, but the fact is that we represent a small portion of the drug-using populace, and most of the others are just stupid rolley kids who like to drop pills and get fucked up for loud music. And in that context, it's probably hard for people to believe in responsible usage.
 
Ignorance - I Hate It

It just annoys me how ignorant people can be, and even more so how much it angers me. A well trained, well educated (BS,MS in health science) and detox/rehab treatment worker made (IMO) a very ignorant statement that started a war.

He said that i should stop taking drugs, opiates because i could die tomorrow. I said how could i die tomorrow i know about my body and exactly how much drug im taking. He said no not because of that, because you dont know what its laced with or mixed with, could be cyanide(sp?).

Ok, fair statement, but then...

I said i was taking ONLY pharms, so that is not an issue for me. He said absolutely not, they can be just as dangerous. You dont know what they are mixed with what they contain when you get them off the street. A doctor didnt prescribe them to you and you didnt get them from an established pharmacy. Well i guess im not a good debater because i certainly didnt win this one. How can that be possible when it is nearly impossible to duplicate street drugs. Besides from that im not picking them up from the corner, well trusted friends give them to me, they take them, i know they are coming from a prescription bottle. It is nearly impossible. I didnt know what to say. Thats like saying you shouldnt eat in restaurants because you dont know if they are trying to poison you, or snapple contains rat poison. You have a better chance of hitting the power ball.

Does anyone agree with me here? Or am i totally crazy? Does he have a validy POV or just completely ignorant.

I think i can tell the difference between fake fentanyl 80 OCs and real 80 OCs because thats the closest anyone has ever come to making fake oxycontin.

(Those other oxys that are supposedly fake only containing sugar, i dont know if i believe that for sure. BUT EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE, im pretty confident that they were either placebo pills for test trials made by purdue OR fake OCs made by purdue for pharmacy robbing.)

Either the case its just impossible for your local dealer to make fake pills or "lace" them with "something" that could kill you tomorrow.

(There is a question, above so i hope this thread is OK, if not close it up, apology from me.)

-UK
 
i can see where the guy is coming from, but he is overexaggerating the risk. if you are getting them off the street, there is always a chance that the pills were made without the quality controls and standards that exist in the regulated industry. you could be getting pills that look identical but do not contain the drug, contain another drug, or may contain whatever came out of their effort at synthesing it. when i buy pharms i usually get them in their sealed bottles or blisters, so it's not something i worry about.

if you are getting them off of friends who buy them from the pharmacy you can basically ignore this guy.
 
straight people just dont understand. especially with the Oxy media crazy even pharms are made to seem dangerous outside of prescripted use. now there are even Anti Drug commercials in the US showing little kids stealing pills from their grandma..the whole thing is stigmatized. you know what you are getting..pills are hard to fake and if you know they guy you are getting them from chances are they are legit.

there have been fake oxys going around that turned out to be fentanyl..they didnt look real so if you know your shit you will learn to recognize the real deal.
 
chinacat311 said:
straight people just dont understand. especially with the Oxy media crazy even pharms are made to seem dangerous outside of prescripted use. now there are even Anti Drug commercials in the US showing little kids stealing pills from their grandma..the whole thing is stigmatized. you know what you are getting..pills are hard to fake and if you know they guy you are getting them from chances are they are legit.

there have been fake oxys going around that turned out to be fentanyl..they didnt look real so if you know your shit you will learn to recognize the real deal.
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Obviously this is a "college" trained person, not someone who has actually had real life experience. I haven't had to go to a councilor for drug abuse, but know bunches that have. People in rehabilitation or anti-drug facilities are there to get you off of drugs, by whatever means is necessary within their frame of medicine/counciling. They care not about what you are on or where you get it, they are paid to make you clean.

Its not out of the question that something could be laced, but its very obvious if you examine what you are buying before you take it, use reliable and trustworthy sources (i know its the drug game, but i get my pharms from a person who is prescribed them) and know your shit when it comes to the pills you are buying.
 
the pharmaceutical industry in foreign countries may not be as tightly regulated as it is in say american or australia. so you could order some pharms from an overseas pharmacy and not get the same quality of product that you would if purchasing the drug in the states. you may not even get the drug you ordered.

im still siding with you though mate. you got the real world experience and he only has his textbook.
 
Thats like saying you shouldnt eat in restaurants because you dont know if they are trying to poison you, or snapple contains rat poison.
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you should have just said exactly that to him. I would have probably gotten real rude with him and said something like that or just walked away irritated. But yeah, the addiction treatment worker is always going to try to tell you to stop taking it cause its bad for whatever reasons you care about.
 
Pills are routinely faked there are unscrupulous vendors/dealers. Fake pills even enter the controlled Pharmacy supply chain!

Ciggies and vodka get copied and sold as the orginal why not pills!?
 
-> Drug Culture.

I hate this kind of ignorance too. I try not to bring up my drug use to certain friends because I know they'll say something to piss me off. There are only a few people I trust in this world when it comes to discussing my drug use, more than half of them are BLers, or related to BLers at least :).
 
^ What's worse? Ignorance from doctors.
Withdrawal, tolerance, the fact that it's possible to die from withdrawal, etc. all mean shit to them.
 
It is far fetched, but he is right.

Plenty of fake prescription pills going around, but if you get them from a reliable source who gets them directly prescribed to them, I don't see much of a risk.

It is even more far fetched, because if someone is going to give you a fake pill, it probably isn't going to contain poison 99% of the time, but a harmless substance.

Either way, that is less ignorant than most things I hear about drugs.

I get more upset when I hear people say you go permanently crazy from shrooms, become permanently stupid from Cannabis etc.

I hear more ignorant things from people right on this site, than what that doctor told you.

At least what he said is possible, even if it is highly unlikely.

Technically, you could get one of those fake fentynal OCs or something similar, and OD.
 
Drug Ignorance

I got pretty pissed off today in one of my classes in school.
We were on the topics of aphrodesiacs and drugs having to do with sex.
Our teacher stated; after ecstacy was brought up in discussion, that " it was a mixture of mdma (which he later said was meth) and a mild psychadelic.
Then a student said, "and i know these new things called mollies, which is ghb mixed with meth" Everyone seemed to just nod and agree, and i was the only one who saw the complete lack of knowlege on the subject that the teacdher had, and how the class was equally as dumb.

Can we please educate so we will be more excepting, its near the same level as racism sexism and any other sort of descrimintation.
 
I would have spoke up. I had similar experience in my psychology class when my professor was discussing drugs. I called some kid out on misinformation and later on my professor asked me to stay after class. Turns out my professor loves to roll and smoke weed. I shat bricks. But your right about most people having no clue. I still argue with two of closest friends about ecstasy. They still believe that its a combination of coke and heroin. Fucking schmucks.
 
i had an experience like this in my drugs and society class when a group of students said marijuana wasn't physically addictive. i thought about saying something about the studies which have identified a withdrawal syndrome but i didn't because i didn't want to raise any more suspicion. (i had already displayed way too much drug knowledge in that class).
 
ClubbinGuido said:
I still argue with two of closest friends about ecstasy. They still believe that its a combination of coke and heroin. Fucking schmucks.
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Oh shit... that means they might call it a "speedball" and lacey k would have to 187 them %)
 
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