Opioids I want to use opioids but I'm on suboxone

[WellTram]

I was never on buprenorphine long term but people use tramadol while on it sometimes it works they say...and maybe other atypical opioids can work too but they probably provide u with their other then opioid effects while u are on buprenorphine. SRA + SNRI etc tramadol effect is actually very noticable and can be simmilar to low dose of amphetamine. But no it is not safe.

 

[4DQSAR]

Mostly buprenorphine is simply a competitive partial agonist. I assume if one has a sufficient quantity of an opioid with a similiar or higher affinity, they would compete (although the mean receptor-occupancy time might mean that buprenorphine stops the flash of an IV opioid.

But if someone has made it to buprenorphine, isn't the goal to eventially stop needing to consume opioids?

I can only say that I've talked to both police officers and probation officers who noted that people who went through full 'cold turkey' appeared less likely to return to opioids. I suppose the point being the sheer horror of the experience 'rewires' the consciousness to produce aversion to all opioids.

 

[WellTram]

Mostly buprenorphine is simply a competitive partial agonist. I assume if one has a sufficient quantity of an opioid with a similiar or higher affinity, they would compete (although the mean receptor-occupancy time might mean that buprenorphine stops the flash of an IV opioid.

But if someone has made it to buprenorphine, isn't the goal to eventially stop needing to consume opioids?

I can only say that I've talked to both police officers and probation officers who noted that people who went through full 'cold turkey' appeared less likely to return to opioids. I suppose the point being the sheer horror of the experience 'rewires' the consciousness to produce aversion to all opioids.

I did a lot of pure hydromorphone for example...had fentanyl and basically everything except levomorphan, methadone and very rare ones...And buprenorphine was so potent i couldnt pee..Smoking ton of pure hydromorphone made me so high it was in heaven but i still could at least pee...But buprenorphine must have extremely high affinity...U would probably have to consume a lot of some fentanyl derivatives to overpower buprenorphine....or fentanyl + some atypical...

And yes I agree that using buprenorphine as a substitution for other opioids should be enough to be satisfied and if u are not, maybe your tolerance is super high and using different drug on top of it - maybe just simple cannabis would be more effective than using other opioids on top of buprenorphine...Sure 1000mg of tramadol will make u feel something atypical but u will also suffer brain damage from seizure....
Try to look for uppers, psychedelics or cannabis...Downers are risky and opioids won't make u any higher cause u already are high on buprenorphine u just can't notice it now

 

[SoCalShordie]

Hey fellow blueys!
I'm a former heroin addict and I've been on suboxone for the past 3 years now. I'm currently on 12mg down from 24mg and I live in Australia. The only reason that is relevant is because the way the suboxone program works here is you start off having to go to the chemist everyday to recieve your dose and they have to supervise you taking it. After a month or so of that, they only have to supervise one dose and give you 6 "take aways" and you onlg have to go weekly. I'm currently sitting on a cache of 14 × 20mg of Targin (oxycodone 20mg/naloxone 10mg) and I want to experience that warmth again.

During the weeks after my supervised dose I have been tapering my dose down to 2-4mg a day (excluding the one day a week i have to go to the chemist). I'm well aware of buprenorphines binding affinity is stronger than naloxones, and it can take anywhere from 72 hours to a over week to completely clear your system of suboxone, also depending on the variables of metabolism and amount of time on suboxone. Last time I tried this I took 320mg of oxy, 360mg of codeine with some tarpentadol after waiting three days after my dose and it wasn't very noticeable and wasn't worth the withdrawal, but I also didn't taper my bupe down beforehand. But now I have 280mg of oxy and I want to make the most of them, so my plan is to keep my dose below 2mg during those 6 days before I go back to the chemist and see how that goes.

Does anyone have any advice on how I could best go about this? I know a fair bit about suboxone given how long I've been on it and how much I frequent this site, but I still have a lot more to learn. Is there any way this could be done or should I just come off the bupe? Or maybe even switch to Methadone?

Thank you all for any and all input, and stay safe out there. xo

Yeah, not gonna happen babe. You will never feel the effects of the good stuff while subs in your system. I’ve been there too. That’s why suboxone never worked for me. The cravings were so intense and relapsing meant just wasting money and not getting high.

I switched to methadone and honestly it saved my life. It has enough of a buzz that you don’t have cravings. Never got that with suboxone. I never thought I’d live to see the day without a craving. But I got on methadone for a couple years, tapered off, and now I have around 5 years completely free of opiates. Not one relapse, not one craving since. I say you give methadone a try. It could have the same outcome for you.

Message me if you ever have any questions

 

[puke]

U know when I was on methadone I heard quite a few times people tell me u can't get high on dope while on methadone, like it counteracts it or something. Welp I'm telling u I could and that's why I would still occassionally do it an not have to worry about wds. People must say that to just kinda boogeyman u out of doing it telling u it won't work. Oh use to be on 100 mg and have been off 16 years now off methadone, can't believe it's been that long already.

 

[4DQSAR]

@WellTram - opioids do that to people. A simple alpha blocker is usually sufficent to solve the problem.