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I snorted 100 mg of 2cb in a 4 hour time frame

700mg MDMA, 120 2cb first night

I also had around 2grams to myself the next night and 40g 2cb and the three tabs of acid - was pretty pointless after a point as didnt make me very high (although was really rather high 9pm - 5am) but was deliberately staying up all night because was going to an event very early the next morning [avideo shoot]

I have spoken to people who consumed as much as 7mg at festival weekeends - it just becomes a waste of drugs

No problems in days after except electrical impulses/jolts when falling asleep (and some interesting hypnogic visuals/dreams but I attribute this more to DMT)

I've been taking MDMA 15 weekends in a row now. With doses as low as 150mg.

This week and the week before are the first times Ive experienced problems. Gf has a similar tolerance altho I can take a bit more bcos Im 18 stone 6'9 so slightly larger body plays into it

Im not being superman, not looking to be. Just having maximum fun with friends

I am now having two weekends off though - as Im sure people would advise

Its hard to assess what negative effectsit has given me beyond interesting electrical jolts andwooshes as i fall asleep as well as high tolerance

When I took 3 weeks off in January and got back on it I did get a rush but it wasnt like me tolerance had gone down very much

Any ideas what im doing to myself with such allegedly 'heavy' usage????
 
Mate you are 100% cooking your brain hard with dosages like that. They are way over the recommended dosage.

If you don't think you have any damage, you're in a blissful ignorant state and you should really consider yourself to be lucky; people often cause major damage with just one night of that amount.


If you really think your brain is fine, quit while you are ahead! This isn't meant to come off in a condescending or negative one, but I can't recommend you to cease your MDMA use enough. Weekly MDMA usage is one of the quickest ways to fuck your brain, especially as you are approaching the 4 month mark of this.


Wish you all the best dude.
 
>15 mg 2c-b in anyone's nose should have their whole visual field exploding into neon blue psychedelic candy for at least a minute or two. You got bunk shit, or your tolerance is basically a lost cause at this point and you should stop taking serotonergics for a long time.
 
"I did a stupidly large dose of 2C-B, but I'm not trying to brag or 'go hard'. Up next: a stupidly large dose of MDMA."
 
ros1816 said:


Any ideas what im doing to myself with such allegedly 'heavy' usage????
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Read the MDMA forum, is basically 80% threads about people that destroyed their brain by overdosing on MDMA wondering if they will ever be normal again.

its not alledgedly heavy...it is heavy. people have died from doses that size. many have suffered permanent or long lasting brain damage from doses that size.
 
Buddy these doses are out of control. You're going to get hurt badly and it's going to take a very long time to recover.

The other users here aren't trying to bash you, just warn you. Even if you're 8 feet tall, that's an over the top dose. You might have a weird permanent tolerance thing going on, fuck knows, but you've gotta stop trying to get the effects you want with higher doses.
 
that sounds pretty crazy, i don't know how that happened though// maybe uhh.. it was stale or something
 
Had a weekend off the drugs pretty much (did have a 100mg line of coke that was fantastic and served a very good purpose).

As of right now, I feel absolutely right as rain. My body has definitely told me that the amount of mdma I consumed last weekend was excessive because I have had the brain zap phenomenon (only really when very tired, or when going to sleep). Clear evidence of too much. No negative emotional content however. And definitely not negative experiences in the way described on some of the MDMA abuse threads. I feel sorry for those guys. I definitely dont want to end up like that. I guess we're all constructed differently though and I feel pretty sure mdma/trips twice a month is an acceptable usage for myself at the moment. I will listen to my body

I will attempt to make it thru for another 11 days without any drugs before a big festival weekend we're going to. I doubt tolerance will decline massively and will stay away from the large doses.
 
i once plugged 50mg of 2cb on top of a lot of mxe. Didnt leave my bed for like 2 hours watchin all kinds of shet
 
You sound young, IMO. When I was 18 I could trip and do hard drugs for 2-3 days at a time, then go to work with no sleep and be fine. I would still consider myself young, but certainly a lot more wiser after doing that for several years. Now, the thought of going into work after a night of tripping sounds absolutely horrendous.

Please don't think you are the exception to the rule. You basically have 3 pages of people telling you to stop doing what you are doing. Should you wish to continue, then go ahead I suppose. But one day it will catch up with you. Trust me.

MDMA is notorious for being cut/fake. You can buy a reagent kit for $25 that will test for MDMA, and many other drugs, including 2C-B. You will be able to use it many times, as it only takes a couple of drops out of a vial to test a substance. That MDMA you are using could easily be BK-MDMA or any number of things.

Just reading your posts, you sound a bit ignorant of drugs. Snorting DMT? Why? Often confusing milligrams with grams. Have no idea how much a reagent kit costs or how they work.150mg of MDMA is not a "low dose"...

I'm just speaking how I see it, please don't take offense to what I am saying. Many times on BL I see people become defensive when called out about their irresponsible behavior. But you must realize that there are a dozen or more people in this thread stating that what you are doing is irresponsible.

Who is right? All of us, or you?

Best of luck, sounds like you will need it.
 
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I guess we're all constructed differently though and I feel pretty sure mdma/trips twice a month is an acceptable usage for myself at the moment..
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OP: how long have you been doing mdma? I'm guessing not that long.
 
You are mistaken if you think that mental health issues always present acutely, when you would realize that you are using way too much and that you are taking it too often... it may be too late.

Many people think they are made in an unique way that protects them from getting sick or addicted or run into bad luck, but unfortunately many people find that they are in for nasty surprises.

I've been in programs where I helped voluntarily to instruct drug users at parties, we got education for that. Monoamine levels (mainly serotonin) takes a while to return to normal. You are rolling too often and take dangerous doses. Maybe you feel like you get away with it for now, but it won't stay that way forever.

Don't make a habit out of it that would be unpleasant to give up and lose the forever young hubris.

I have learned all of this the hard way as well, I have had personal problems and my life was really going in a scary direction a while ago and I have abused different drugs during different times in my life. I know MDMA is one that can have pretty long lasting effects. I don't think depression is really what I would attribute mostly to MDMA abuse, but most of all a dysregulation of serotonin-governed mental functions like sleep and appetite, and a lot more.
 
OK this has become quite a long thread.

History: Im 29. Cannabis and booze at uni 10 yrs ago. Did shrooms 7 times then too. Lots of booze at uni and since 2010. In between a tee total sportsman. And also moderate clinical depression (so can see signs of that stuff [i mention this but also note that Solipsis says that depression's not the main danger of mdma abuse] -never felt happier than right now. Good friends, live with partner etc). Started Mdma and coke (but mostly mdma) in June 2013. First few times horrible mid week lows. Fourth or fifth time of use managed to escape without any problems other than a bit slow next day. Did have weekends off (or some of these off weekends were coke weekends which felt like weekends off). Had 3 weekends off in January. But basically feels like have been doing drugs (coke or mdma) every weekend for a year now. Started discovering psychedelics in March - these are now my main interest. But of course mdma is the social drug and Ive found I can do it in a bar and people wont notice.

Current: I had a weekend off just gone (apart from 100mg of coke - not a drug in my life much but feels like a safe alternative to doing mdma). I didnt go out bit socialised at people's houses in a chilled fashion. It wasnt a memorable big experience but it was nice. Whenever I try and go to the pub for a night out I have a shit time and come home early (like 11pm) bcos alcohol just upsets my stomach brings me down and sucks my social energy (I used to get on really well with it for years) - this is why I was doing what felt like a small amount (Im now told is not a small amount) of mdma in a pub setting as an alternative to going to a heavy nightclub when I wanted a quieter weekend but all my friends were out drinking [I find it hard to be at home all weekend - and miss socialising - even with a live together partner]

Action points for me:

1. Get a Reagent kit. My friends have been using the same MDMA I have (the mdma we've been using has been changing quite regularly). We've all been doing around 200-500mg for a normal night out. Nothing crazy and most of us can do that every 2-4 weeks. My girlfriend has probably been 3 times a week for ages now. And she has been using for 11 years. People on here saying that 150mg isnt a low dose just doesnt fit. Need to test my stuff.

2. I'm not allowed more than 50mg of a 2c family drug (I now have access to 2CB, 2CE, 2CI) on a night. And Im not allowed to snort it.

3. Have a minimum of one weekend off in four (preferably two - I do have a busy summer calendar that makes this unavoidable).

4. Avoid back to back weekend days (ie friday and saturday night). However, Im going to some festivals that make this unavoidable.

These seem reasonable action points in line with harm reduction vs what I have been doing (15 weekends in a row).

Apart from that I do not know what the fuck Im meant to be doing with my usage.

At a proper club night where you're in the place for 6 hours - what is maximum mdma dose I should have [assuming it's proper MDMA not anything else [BK-MDMA?]] (I was always surprised when I had a look at PhiKal and it said take 100mg and if you're 'really daring' re-dose with another 70mg 90 mins later)

If I want to take drugs at a weekend but Ive already taken MDMA that month (or the previous weekend) do I say Im allowed a 2c family [or 4ACO to avoid the phenehtylamines] and a bit of dmt but the rule is absolutely no mdma?

If Im at a 4 day festival Im going to be doing back to back days (friday and saturday nights). This isnt terribly healthy but do I obey the same stricture as the previous paragraph - only one day of mdma. The other day has to be a trips day?

Can having a bit of coke be considered a semi-weekend off? [I actually hate coke [south american misery, price, boring etc] but it does serve a purpose sometimes]

Maybe all this is the special pleading of an addict. But I will listen to advice. It probably needs to be realistic though - If someone says I should sell all my festival tickets, cancel my summer plans and have 3 months off anything but boring old alcohol that might not be the middle ground Im looking for. Anyway I will probably get told off by people on here for attitude, general stupidity but I am listening to what people say.

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How do you set yourself rules when there are no biofeedback mechanisms telling you you're damaging yourself?

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Statistically:

I have used what I believe to be MDMA on 24 out of the previous 47 weekends.

I have used MDMA on 43 days [where a day is counted as using drugs then having 4hrs+ sleep] out of the past 47 weeks. So 12% of days in the past 47 weeks I've been on MDMA.

I don't even like the stuff that much!

Time to make some changes.
 
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Ideally MDMA should not be used more than once a month. I would suggest a tolerance break of 6 months and then try normal doses. I strongly suspect that you would be pleasantly surprised with the results.

Spend the time away from drugs by educating yourself on some basic pharmacology.

With the dosing regiments currently in place you will reach the point of diminishing returns/loss of magic. 50mg of most of the 2C-x class is still excessive. 700mg of MDMA in 3hrs is the craziest thing I've ever heard. I know people who like to go hard but that's just ridiculous. Keep this up and you will run into serious problems soon, I've seen it happen.

Avoid back to back weekend days (ie friday and saturday night). However, Im going to some festivals that make this unavoidable.
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Nonsense, of course it's avoidable...
 
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I honestly feel like I've stumbled onto the Daily Mail forum. I didnt find the previous advice constructive Im afraid.

Can anyone link to a reagent kit available in the UK that can be used multiple times. The ones I've found seem to be £4 for one test! That's quite expensive just to prove what I already believe - that the substance Im using is actually MDMA, or 2cb etc

This looks great as it claims to be usable up to 50 times for $20. However I cant find it in the UK

http://bunkpolice.org/basic-test-kit/
 
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ros1816 said:
I honestly feel like I've stumbled onto the Daily Mail forum. I didnt find the previous advice constructive Im afraid.
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Isn't it wonderful when people come here looking for advise and immediately discard it because it isn't what they want to hear?

As others have said you will come to regret your current dosing regimen. Downregulation at 5-ht is possibly the reason you need such insanely high doses, this will take time to fix itself. 11 days will not be long enough. You've been given great advice here by some very experienced people. I'd suggest you take it rather than patronising them as you have done with your Daily Mail comment.
 
Dancesafe provides reagents in Europe IIRC, otherwise your average headshop should be selling them as well.

And yeah, when some of my friends want to try a psychedelic after an MDMA-binge they often need stupendous doses (3x as much as me, and I'm leaning towards the hard head side of tolerance) as well. Don't think there is any research confirming this but at least it makes sense considering your brain is getting blasted with serotonin all the time.

Also, what kind of answers do you expect on a harm reduction forum? Seriously, the only MDMA use which I consider responsible is once every 90 days, max 150mg and no redosing. MDMA actually does fry your brain, especially when you do it a lot, and the effects of that are no where close to being fun.
 
Guess Im gonna have to end this conversation. You guys are great and you know your stuff. You provide some really good advice about dosage and techniques for extraction etc.

I think I need to seek answers from friends/family.

I look forward to reading these forums and posting with regards other matters in future.

Peace and Love
 
Good luck man and please consider my suggestion of an extended break from all substances. It really would be worth it.
 
How do you set yourself rules when there are no biofeedback mechanisms telling you you're damaging yourself?
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You do your research and you listen to those with experience. I know this may sound like the "daily mail forum" but this is not hyperbole, this is real people relaying to you what they have learnt either through first hand experience or through doing the research that every user should. Some people are more resistant to abuse but as you correctly point out, there are no biofeedback mechanisms until symptoms emerge.

You sound smart and like most people you will probably not enjoy an anxiety disorder. Ignore this wisdom at your peril.
 
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