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How Young is too Young?

When I was 13 I started smoking pot, just every couple of months at first. For my fourteenth birthday i was given a 3 gram block of hash which kept me and five mates stoned off our tits most days of the winter school holidays and then every weekend for nearly 3 months; we moved to the city and I started on a school acceleration program which skipped me through a years school. At 15 I started a relationship with a 21 year old, and left home later that year after being hospitalised for seizures which were eventually put down to "stress" related to Franc being told she had six months to live, and to my work as founding member of Seconday Students Agains t the Gulf War (the first one, that is) and was elected as one of the youngest ever members to the National Counsel of a major national youth activist organisation (Resistance); at 16 I had a relationship with someone who was 23, I smoked pot most days, started taking acid; 17 I was living in Perth with other activists, one of whom was in their mid-30s. My lover that year was 27 years old. I injected for the first time. By the time I turned 18 I had lived out of home for 2.5 years, in three different cities; I'd crossed the Nullabor a half dozen times by plane, train, mini-bus and riding pillon on a BMW touring bike; had served as a Resistance National Counsel member for over 2 years and worked as a full-time organiser for them at several times; started raving (Space Cadet 1), was in my fourth relationship, this time with a woman 3 years older than me - having been bonking activist, feminist women I had the sexual knowledge of someone in their mid-20s combined with the libido, stamina and flexibility of a teenager. I'd contracted a life-threatening illness (not as a direct result of my drug use or sexual activities), although I wasn't diagnosed until a couple of months after my 18th birthday. A year later I had an amphetamine dependence, had taken at least 100 trips, experienced NO2, MDMA, MDA, coke, heroin, ayahuasca and DMT, 2CB, aand mescaline. I had helped put on a half-dozen free parties for probably 10000 ravers total, was operating a specialist supply business turning over at least $5K weekly, was living in my fourth city since leaving home. One of my best friends that year is two years my junior(actually, he remains one of my oldest and dearest firnds, and also works full-time in a drug user organisation), he'd travelled the country from Perth, to Broome, to Darwin, Cairns and finally down to NSW, paying his way working on fishing boats. We'd met on a picket line in defence of an Aboriginal sacred site, and had started tripping and whacking speed together in Perth, when he was only just 15.
The key ingredients of the Mibrane muffin - activism aimed at building a world of equality and freedom of choice and expression, love of drug-use but based firmly on personal harm reduction strategies which I have always tried to instil in both my friends and in the user communityn more broadly through work with ravesafe (founded by me at 19) and drug user organisations, sexual expression based on equality and respect, a lifetiem love of beats and boogeying; these were all mixed and baked well before my twentieth birthday.
Many of my best friends were experienced with many drugs by the time they turned 18; a number of these are in important positions in the drug user activist movement or the "drug services" sector; others have done degrees or hold jobs in the straight world; others are happy (or not) on benefits, or doing art or other creative expressions.
I make no claims to being a paragon of sanity, certain aspects of my physical development probably were stunted or otherwise distorted by my use of substance during puberty, and do not have the formal qualifications or the overseas travel experience which might otherwise have been a feature of my late teens.
But, for 95% of the time, I love my life, and I'm proud of my achievements and contributions. Take the eggs out of the Mibrane muffin mixture and its not much more than a damper.
The feedom to determine what we do with our own minds and conciousness (it is Mibrane and I will fight for the right to do what I want with it) is the last great unfulfilled democratic right.
I believe it is a right that has no age limits. People mature at very different rates, and the rate at which one grows up can change significantly depending on class, nationality, place of residence, individual interests and intelligence. Don't use your experiences as a yardstick for what is right and wrong.
The experiences users have in their periods of early initiation have significant impacts on the way they use throughout their lives - instil personal harm reduction from the start and most people stick qwith it. The revesr is perhaps even more true. Don't let morals based on arbitrary figures stop you from passing on safe-using messages and techniques, or from supporting the right of all human beings to make their own, informed decisions.
 
Well, I'm 17 in 4 days. Yet, I probably won't feel 'old' enough to try drugs, maybe even ever. I, personally am very afraid of the effect it could have on my one true asset, my mind. I don't have a fantastic body or charismatic personality to fall back on, so I intend to preserve the one thing I can rely on. Which, is why I'm not very keen on the idea of drugs.

Maybe someday, in the future. I dunno.
 
Bluelight is for people that have interest in drugs, some might not take but still like learning about them, have realionship problems, like to talk to people that are similar to them, for eg. a raver who doesnt take drugs, likes to talk about other things rather than drugs, have realionship problems, is into events and health. I know BL has its 1st purpose of helping people know about the drug issuses and etc.. But dont single out people that are here to learn AND not use.
 
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calm down geez.....dogah was making a joke, hence the smiley face on the end on his post....why are people so quick to jump on other people...so very sick of it! :p
 
Prime age is 15 for starting, or shit as long as you are in highschool I say for any drug except tripping wait till like 16
 
mibranes post is fucken impressive. IMO.
sounds like youve had some awesome experiences and achieved alot on your journeys.
well done.
and i agree with the fact that there is no right age.
society is different everywhere, no 2 ideals can be the same in all circumstaces.
i think its more about understanding, respect and mental maturity.
 
if everyone waited until we were all together and mentally mature enough to deal well with the possible contingencies of the decision, noone would ever take that particular drug. i'm sure every one of us has some aspect of themselves that is adversely affected or at least not benefited by taking pills.

it isn't an age thing, it's more of a cost/benefit decision. age only relates insofar as that the older you are, the more experience you have in understanding that. so i do agree, "the older the better," but i don't know where older starts.
 
^ I AGREE!!!!

there is no right age, if you want to do it.
I do however believe if you want to take it you should at least be old enough to understand what your doing, and what harm it can do to you. (seems logical enough yeh? do what you understand).
so obviously a 12 year old wouldn't understand hypothermia and dehydration issues properly...
Is that to say that if someone were to specifically correctly educate them then they would understand, and should be able to take the drug?

I've gone crosseyed.
do what you want kiddies
 
18yrs - pot
20.75 yrs - Ketamine, coke, pills and acid
21 - speed & ghb
22 - Ice

Im not really a late starter and Ive seen kids at raves who cant be older than 12/13 on e. I think thats far too young. I know alot of people who started at 17 and when they think about it, thats getting too young.

Speed I can understand I mean they basically give watered down versions of it to kids with ADHD. But pills is a totally differant story.
 
I had my first pill @ 17 at a rave and im still 17 but ive seen quite a few people younger than me on pills and i thought i started young AHHHHH!
 
14 - e, 15 - weed, 16 - speed, 17 - k

After reading this thread, I realised that I started really young. I never really thought about it till last year when my brother turned 14 and I started worrying. But he hangs with a good group of frens so that's good. At that age I was hanging out with people who were in their 20s and one night while I was clubbing, I got offered and I took it. Never regretted it... Im glad that they were there to supervise me through out the whole experience. As for myself, I would never offer anything to anyone unless they asked. If they did then I'll make sure I'll be there.. Its true what people say about at such a young age, people don't really have the information on these things, at that age, I didn't even think of looking up information, I relied on my friends to look after me. My interest in looking up information sparked at 16 when I was asked to do a class presentation and I chose Drugs - Ecstasy. It was only then did I start looking out for information. I don't think that there's a right age to start doing illicit things and I think that what's more important is that if you do try it, regardless what age you do it at, you have people who are there to look after you and advice you.
 
If you're less than 18 then you shouldn't be taking drugs.

I don't care how mature you or your friends think you are, your brain isn't fully grown before then and you shouldn't be fucking with it.
 
yes, probably should wait until 21 as well, because 21 is really the end of your puberty. im 18 and i've grown ONE centimeter in 6 months...
goes to show im still growing a bit...its best i lay off the pills until im 21 :)
 
This is one of the rare occasions when I'm gonna have to disagree with 1234 and the other peeps who have posted different ages for different substances.

For me, I think people shouldn't be legally allowed to touch any kind of drug (and yes, I'm including alcohol and tobacco) until they're out of high school. However, I don't think there should be different ages for different substances, because the same stuff doesn't always affect people the same way. For example, I know people who can function just fine during the week while they've had massive amounts of crystal. When I've done it I've needed to take time off work to deal with the comedown. By the same token, I can drink shitloads, stay up all night and still be drunk and be able to function quite normally through the course of the day with only the people close to me even knowing that I'm drunk.

There are always gonna be the people who at age 14 are a million times more mature and balanced than I am now, but they're the exception. We shouldn't expose all the other 14 year olds to danger when it's far less harmful just to make the mature ones wait a couple of years.

That's my POV anyway.
 
13 - Grog
15 - Pot/Ciggies (you had to be 16 to buy ciggies at the time)
19 - Acid/Shrooms
23 - Eccies and Speed/Meth
24 - Opiates
25 - RC's
 
Anyone under the age of 5 should not be using any form of substance. From 5 onwards experimentation is okay. Kindergarten opens up a whole new world.

shals :D
 
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