How to - Deal with LE.

[UnSquare]

Free'ballin

Capt'n 40',
I ax'ed this before,
& I'm not sure if you answer'd
or I jus' miss'd it
(an' it's not really an issue for me anymore)
- but I don't wear anythang under my pants/shorts.

As in undergarments.

What's the protocol for public strip searches in NSW for this situation.

Thanks fo' yo' time

PEACE
UnS

 

[fortehlulz]

Capt'n 40',
I ax'ed this before,
& I'm not sure if you answer'd
or I jus' miss'd it
(an' it's not really an issue for me anymore)
- but I don't wear anythang under my pants/shorts.

As in undergarments.

What's the protocol for public strip searches in NSW for this situation.

Thanks fo' yo' time

PEACE
UnS

For your reading pleasure.

LAW ENFORCEMENT (POWERS AND RESPONSIBILITIES) ACT 2002

Section 31: Strip searches

A police officer or other person who is authorised to search a person may conduct a strip search of the person if the police officer or other person suspects on reasonable grounds that it is necessary to conduct a strip search of the person for the purposes of the search and that the seriousness and urgency of the circumstances require the strip search to be carried out.

Section 33: Rules for conduct of strip searches
(1) A police officer or other person who strip searches a person must, as far as is reasonably practicable in the circumstances, comply with the following:
(a) the strip search must be conducted in a private area,
(b) the strip search must not be conducted in the presence or view of a person who is of the opposite sex to the person being searched,
(c) except as provided by this section, the strip search must not be conducted in the presence or view of a person whose presence is not necessary for the purposes of the search.
(2) A parent, guardian or personal representative of the person being searched may, if it is reasonably practicable in the circumstances, be present during a search if the person being searched has no objection to that person being present.
(3) A strip search of a child who is at least 10 years of age but under 18 years of age, or of a person who has impaired intellectual functioning, must, unless it is not reasonably practicable in the circumstances, be conducted in the presence of a parent or guardian of the person being searched or, if that is not acceptable to the child or person, in the presence of another person (other than a police officer) who is capable of representing the interests of the person and who, as far as is practicable in the circumstances, is acceptable to the person.
(4) A strip search must not involve a search of a person’s body cavities or an examination of the body by touch.
(5) A strip search must not involve the removal of more clothes than the person conducting the search believes on reasonable grounds to be reasonably necessary for the purposes of the search.
(6) A strip search must not involve more visual inspection than the person conducting the search believes on reasonable grounds to be reasonably necessary for the purposes of the search.
(7) A strip search may be conducted in the presence of a medical practitioner of the opposite sex to the person searched if the person being searched has no objection to that person being present.
(8 ) This section is in addition to the other requirements of this Act relating to searches.
(9) In this section:
"impaired intellectual functioning" means:
(a) total or partial loss of a person’s mental functions, or
(b) a disorder or malfunction that results in a person learning differently from a person without the disorder or malfunction, or
(c) a disorder, illness or disease that affects a person’s thought processes, perceptions of reality, emotions or judgment, or that results in disturbed behaviour.
Note: Procedures for searches of a more invasive nature are dealt with under the Crimes (Forensic Procedures) Act 2000 .

 

[UnSquare]

If It Even Happens I'll Get It Up First Lol

Thanks Capt'n.

PEACE
UnS

 

[Black Octagon MK 2]

1) A standard National Police Certificate. All that is displayed on such a certificate are 'discloseable outcomes' - non spent findings of guilt or convictions, as recorded by a court. No cautions. No warnings. No diversions. Victoria does have an interesting quirk in that it will also note on certificates if you are currently under investigation (we're not talking covert here, you'd have been interviewed) or have been released without charge pending summons.

Yes, I have worked for a certain office, and I can confirm that in at least one state, these NPCs are used for members of the public and volunteers alike. More substantial checks exist for people wanting to become public servants and things like that, and NPCs themselves leave out a lot of things. Apart from in Victoria, your NPC will only list 'outcomes' if you actually received a sentencing in court AND if (as has been pointed out) this sentencing is 'disclosable' - several 'outcomes' are non-disclosable for NPCs, even if they were from court.

That said, any member of the public is free to get an NPC. It's not reserved for volunteers, so you're not scummy for getting one done. Just go to the police station with several different pieces of ID and be prepared to pay the fee (I forget what it is...been a few years since I was involved in this).

 

[Bludda]

I'm aware of a guy with in excess of 30 findings of guilt, including 29 indictables (serious offences), who passed such checks to do similarly sensitive work. It is discretionary on the part of the agency or they may have an internal policy. Bottom line, they have no more access to your information than you will.

It was the Working with Children Check that I was referring to. I'm probably misinformed, but I recall a friend of mine (who coordinates alot of volunteer work with some pretty sensitive children and requests these checks) mentioning to me that he found out alot of shit about people through these checks. That's what I was basing my ramble on. Though, he could have been bullshitting or my brain may be completely addled.

I was also under the impression the certain types of work visas, in particular for the PR of China (and especially in days gone past) required a fairly thorough background check that included ongoing investigations. This I was told by someone I trust who worked in China for most of their life.

It really just a bit of gas-bagging. Wasn't trying to suggest that these are effective ways of accessing info about yourself, more just something to consider if you have volunteered to work with abused, cancerous children and have worked as a Senior Diplomatic Official within the People's Republic of China whilst being investigated back home for moving excessively large quantities of black market snoose around the mining districts of the Inner North.

No flaming, I'm just replying.

No flame perceived. Seriously, as I have said, this has been an awesome thread. Kudos

 

[fortehlulz]

It really just a bit of gas-bagging. Wasn't trying to suggest that these are effective ways of accessing info about yourself, more just something to consider if you have volunteered to work with abused, cancerous children

I'm now completely aware of the work and agency type, if not the specific agency to which you are referring, and I know their policies. All that they get is an NPC and a WWCC.

have worked as a Senior Diplomatic Official within the People's Republic of China whilst being investigated back home for moving excessively large quantities of black market snoose around the mining districts of the Inner North.

LOL. I don't mind a bit of the old Swedish Snus. I believe I still have some Romeo y Julietta in the fridge at the moment but I do prefer Lucky Strike

 

[rolls]

Are you saying when you said something silly to that police officer while drunk and got your name taken down its in their systems for life?

 

[fortehlulz]

Are you saying when you said something silly to that police officer while drunk and got your name taken down its in their systems for life?

Pretty much.

 

[Sustanon]

question, lets say X had an emtpy baggy on him, and X already consumed his disco bikkies and for some reason got caught out by a sniffer dog and searched. They found the emtpy baggy with alittle bit of residue, would X get charged or let off?

They cant do fuk all with the empty baggie. They could be a pain in the ass and take in u in and try to charge u with possessing drug paraphernalia but its highly unlikely it would happen. U wouldnt get more than a slap on the wrist. Its not really worth there time and hassle.

 

[rolls]

A clean baggy and no drugs is called a button bag.
A empty bag with drug residue ever so slightly and they want to charge you for it, their testing methods come back months later and you will get a $1000+ fine easy even. Possession of 0.002mg DoD methylamphetamine. Doesn't matter what they can't see, even poor quality stuff.

 

[Sustanon]

A clean baggy and no drugs is called a button bag.
A empty bag with drug residue ever so slightly and they want to charge you for it, their testing methods come back months later and you will get a $1000+ fine easy even. Possession of 0.002mg DoD methylamphetamine. Doesn't matter what they can't see, even poor quality stuff.

Thats if there being cunts. Ive actualy heard of a guy getting jailed because they found a thc crytal on his shoe sole at an airport which is invisible to the naked eye lol

 

[Jordan`]

That was in Dubai if my memory serves me correctly.

 

[fortehlulz]

A clean baggy and no drugs is called a button bag.
A empty bag with drug residue ever so slightly and they want to charge you for it, their testing methods come back months later and you will get a $1000+ fine easy even. Possession of 0.002mg DoD methylamphetamine. Doesn't matter what they can't see, even poor quality stuff.

Correct. Possess is possess.

 

[shienar]

Respect for the dedication to this thread.

This is harm minimisation because they are all practical scenarios for me.

The analogue act. Out of interest is there any cases or guideline which explain how are they can take this?

On the internet giving advice or reviewing methods that people use. Does this open you to criminal risks?

What is the statue of limitations around drug crimes?

(interest) During the process of a search warrant are the police responsible for damage they inflict on your property?

Do you know the testing samples or which lab they ship their NMR's out to?

Now this is the biggy for me. Say im carrying a solution of tropane alkaloids for a fun weekend and they search me, finding it. Is it wise to tell them what drug it is and now you isolated it? Or just shut up, wait for lawyer and then wait till they establish that its a legal substance?

If someone was importing research chemicals can they go to AQUIS or cops and ask whether it would be interpretted that way? Can you trust any such statements?

Something like "Spice" or any of those shitty smoking blends, these where found recently to contain a massively potent THC analogue (dosage around LSD 50ug) are you responsible for possession of a dangerous good even through the supplier and AQUIS approved importation? And you were assured of its legality (ha).

If any of these questions are inappropriate please remove them as i dont want to offend.

I havent read the last 3 pages, i wanted to post before lunch was over.

Regards

 

[fortehlulz]

The analogue act. Out of interest is there any cases or guideline which explain how are they can take this?

When I know, this board will know. The analogues are a sticky, vague area which have not been subject to a test case yet.

On the internet giving advice or reviewing methods that people use. Does this open you to criminal risks?

fortehlulz does not give advice, he merely offers opinion and anecdotes, and has declined in the past to clarify or comment on matters which reach beyond the scope of harm minimisation. Fortehlulz again encourages those with legal issues to discuss them with a legal practitioner. This is teh internetz. For what you know, I'm a ten year old with an excellent vocabulary.

Internet or real life, he who advises on how to offend is open to conspiracy related offences.

What is the statue of limitations around drug crimes?

In the state of Victoria, considering pretty much ALL offences under the Drugs, Poisons and Controlled Substances Act are indictable (serious offences), there is no statute of limitations. One may prosecuted at any time after the alleged offence.

(interest) During the process of a search warrant are the police responsible for damage they inflict on your property?

Power to break and enter is a component of the search warrant - subject of warrant typically wears the costs.

Do you know the testing samples or which lab they ship their NMR's out to?

Victoria Police sends all substances necessitating forensic analysis to their own, in house laboratory at Macleod.

Now this is the biggy for me. Say im carrying a solution of tropane alkaloids for a fun weekend and they search me, finding it. Is it wise to tell them what drug it is and now you isolated it? Or just shut up, wait for lawyer and then wait till they establish that its a legal substance?

Allow me to, for clarity, repeat the caution one receives in Victoria, when arrested/questioned.

You are not obliged to say or do anything, however anything you say or do may be taken down and given in evidence. You may communicate with or attempt to communicate with a legal practitioner. You may communicate with or attempt to communicate with a friend or relative to advise them of your whereabouts.

There are also issues about contacting consular offices etc etc.

Bottom line - you have rights. Exercise them. Who's word are the police going to take when they find what looks like drugs? The person they've just arrested?

If someone was importing research chemicals can they go to AQUIS or cops and ask whether it would be interpretted that way? Can you trust any such statements?

One may approach the Australian Customs Service and AQIS, as well as the TGA, via email (they operate email services to answer such questions), to ask such questions, and it is in your interest to do so if you intend to pursue this avenue.

Something like "Spice" or any of those shitty smoking blends, these where found recently to contain a massively potent THC analogue (dosage around LSD 50ug) are you responsible for possession of a dangerous good even through the supplier and AQUIS approved importation? And you were assured of its legality (ha).

Does the fact that a brick of cocaine was missed by AQIS or ACS make it legal for you to have?

 

[shienar]

Many thanks.

 

[grass lemon]

Great thread FTL, many thanks.

This might be a bit of a strange question, but are police informed when someone is suspected of doctor shopping? If possible, could you also describe generally what happens when someone is accused of doctor shopping?

 

[Jordan`]

Wow never ventured into this thread :D Great info

 

[hoptis]

Allow me to, for clarity, repeat the caution one receives in Victoria, when arrested/questioned.

You are not obliged to say or do anything, however anything you say or do may be taken down and given in evidence. You may communicate with or attempt to communicate with a legal practitioner. You may communicate with or attempt to communicate with a friend or relative to advise them of your whereabouts.

Word... this is a great thread, it would be even better if someone had time to compile it into a FAQ of some description because I'm sure ftl is getting sick of answering the same questions over and over

 

[fortehlulz]

This might be a bit of a strange question, but are police informed when someone is suspected of doctor shopping? If possible, could you also describe generally what happens when someone is accused of doctor shopping?

I suggest you puruse the Medicare website's 'information for medical practitioners' section, as it describes everything about what is and what is not doctor shopping.