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How to - Deal with LE.

and this is where we all hug and make up. =D

No need for a discussion on this boys. Keep it at that and sort any differences through PM.

Lil :)
 
I have a question, if you're found with "a suspicious substance". Eg, a pill. Would said pill be tested (say, to find out what exactly the substance is in the pill and to want quantity) and the punishment given from that evidence?
 
Doctor War said:
if you bought it as ecstasy, or sold it as ecstasy, you will be charged for it as ecstasy - Even if it's just caffeine and chalk.
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Man au laws suck donkey balls. What about powder that isnt identified with police? Say if u get busted with an RC. Once they test it with a normal tester and it comes up as negative is that the end of story?
 
quick question, ive read that if a cop wants to search you, you should say you dont consent but you can search me anyway or something similar. doesnt that kinda contradict it self? I dont really get how you can say I dont consent but you can search me anyway? doesnt make sense to me, maybe im just dumb.
 
Sounds like what they were saying is verbally clarify that you don't consent, but if they try search you anyway then don't physically resist (common sense).

You can't say 'I don't consent but I do consent' at the same time.
 
Doctor War said:
if you bought it as ecstasy, or sold it as ecstasy, you will be charged for it as ecstasy - Even if it's just caffeine and chalk.
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So it doesn't matter if I have one pill with ~100% MDMA, or one pill with 0% MDMA? The charge is the same? I understand you can be charged with intent. However there should be different charges depending on if you get "intent to distribute with actual illegal drugs" or "intent to distribute without actual illegal drugs"

Of course what should happen and what does are two different things. :\
 
No one answered my question. What if i have an RC on me and they want to search. Would they / can they confiscate it even after they test it and it comes up negative?
 
I'd say your chances of getting it back after they test it are somewhere between zero and none.
 
tyrael said:
So it doesn't matter if I have one pill with ~100% MDMA, or one pill with 0% MDMA? The charge is the same? I understand you can be charged with intent. However there should be different charges depending on if you get "intent to distribute with actual illegal drugs" or "intent to distribute without actual illegal drugs"

Of course what should happen and what does are two different things. :\
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VCE Legal Studies has left me with the notion that intent is rather more complicated than that.
 
tyrael said:
So it doesn't matter if I have one pill with ~100% MDMA, or one pill with 0% MDMA? The charge is the same? I understand you can be charged with intent. However there should be different charges depending on if you get "intent to distribute with actual illegal drugs" or "intent to distribute without actual illegal drugs"

Of course what should happen and what does are two different things. :\
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Pardon me for going all 'policy maker' mode in delivering an explanation for the with/without actual illegal drug argument, but the reason there's no distinction is that you are perpetuating the trade in illicity drugs and the objective of drug legislation is to effectively discourage such deleterious behaviour (at this point fortehlulz dismounts his imaginary 'high horse', who happens to be named 'Devil's Advocate'.

Certain state legislation (QLD springs to mind) makes provision for specific 'discretionary units' of measurement. Eg, rather than quantity of substance, its the units in which said substance (or professed substance) is delivered. So one could, hypothetically, have 100 tabs, a grand total of one of which contains MDxx, and satisfy the legal reqs of possessing 100 biccies.
 
Sustanon said:
Man au laws suck donkey balls. What about powder that isnt identified with police? Say if u get busted with an RC. Once they test it with a normal tester and it comes up as negative is that the end of story?
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When you say 'normal tester', I assume you are referring to a field test usually done by one of those single use chemical pouches.

Such tests are not definitive. They don't hold up in court. If there are reasonable grounds to suspect your substance is naughty and they can be arsed seizing it, it will be seized, and you may be released pending further inquiries.

The item in question will then be added to the multiple month backlog of evidence in Collingwood before it is transferred for analysis to Macleod (assuming you're in Vic) where it will wait in an allegedly secure facility, guarded by the real winners of the police force who work in evidence management (who are, in terms of being 'real police', not far behind the sworn members of licensing services division, general duties transit police members or those who man the highly dangerous and challenging subpoena management unit) to be tested by a forensic scientist (assuming it doesn't get nicked by one of the unsworn police members before that happens).

Now, assuming that all happens, and the scientist is happy your stuff is legal, you are indeed, considering your product is not illegal (and is not made illegal in the interim, which could be 18 months) entitled to recover it. Whether or not its worth it is a question for you :D
 
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^^ If you don't want to be searched, wear a suit, be sober, cleanly shaved, and make sure it's outside a library. :) Library rave anyone? But thanks for the update again fortehlolz your efforts here are applaudable.
 
I've got a quick questions guys:


What's the story if one buys a 'legal high' from a herbal, legal high store - something that is branded, packaged and marked with ingredients - and it turns out this substance is actually scheduled?

Obviously (as has been covered already in this thread) if you buy what you think is cocaine, but it actually sugar, you can still be charged for being in possession of cocaine........ but does this work in reverse? Eg, you buy what you think is sugar, but turns out to be cocaine?

If a person legitimately purchases something that is on display in a registered store, a store whose business revolves around selling "legal highs", and it is packaged and branded, but turns out to contain something that is scheduled, has that person still committed a crime?
 
Bludda said:
If a person legitimately purchases something that is on display in a registered store, a store whose business revolves around selling "legal highs", and it is packaged and branded, but turns out to contain something that is scheduled, has that person still committed a crime?
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I decline to elaborate on this one as there are many creative ways that an answer to a question like this could be (mis)used.
 
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Sorry to double dip on the questions, but I've been thinking over this one for a little while and it seems you guys might be able to help:

A couple of months ago two policemen appeared at my house on a saturday night, claiming that the alarm on my rear-neighbours house had been activated "and would we mind if they came in and had a look in the backyard over the fence?"

I said no worries, as there was (and still is) nothing illegal happening in my life at the time. It was very early in the evening, and a couple of my friends were over and we accompanied the police into my backyard where they poked around for a few minutes and then left. We swapped a few jokes and all up it was a very cordial visit.

The thing that puzzles me is that there was no sound of an alarm going off nor any flashing lights (could be a 'silent' alarm), but I'm pretty sure cops don't attend burgular alarm set offs. If they do, then this is a pretty pointless post.

One of my good mates had recently been busted for growing some prohibited herbs and he had been dealing for a long time before that, and his girlfriend's mums place has been raided about 3 times since then. I was wondering, seeing as I am in quite frequent contact with him (being a close mate) whether my relationship with him may have led to this visit from the cops?

I have no priors or criminal convictions and I said, I am not engaged in any illegal activities.

The only other things I can thing of are that I am currently challenging an expiation notice in court, and my (semi)activity on bluelight - and both of these seem very unlikely reasons.

So, would cops check out someone's place like this just because they are friends with someone who deals weed?

Ot do cops, in fact, attend house burgular alarms?
 
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