• 🇳🇿 🇲🇲 🇯🇵 🇨🇳 🇦🇺 🇦🇶 🇮🇳
    Australian & Asian
    Drug Discussion

    Welcome Guest!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
  • AADD Moderators: andyturbo

How to - Deal with LE.

If a drug is considered an analogue of a scheduled substance, it's considered in the same schedule so the same punishments would apply. I'd assume 4-fluoroamphetamine would be in the same schedule as amphetamine is purely via the analogue laws, though they haven't really been tested as far as I'm aware and are somewhat grey.
 
I'd assume 4-fluoroamphetamine would be in the same schedule as amphetamine is purely via the analogue laws, though they haven't really been tested as far as I'm aware and are somewhat grey.
Click to expand...

Well, if they prosecuted anyone with the Cairns 4-MMC/Eth-Cat hauls, they would have used the analogue legislation, as neither was specifically listed. And with 4-Fluoro substituted amphetamines it would be easy to demonstrate the "substantially similar" rule.
 
^ Mmm, true that. Has anyone been charged over that? You're right they wouldn't have a problem proving similarity, but I'd be interested to see if any cases have been prosecuted in this country where the defense tried to scrutinize the laws, similar to the first cases prosecuted under the analogues laws in the US.
 
I think I remember someone (or more) being charged. Of course, Qld also has had laws for some time covering things like selling something as Ecstasy even if doesn't contain Ecstasy. Iirc, this offence basically carries the same penalties as does dealing the drug itself.
 
sell and supply charges WA

have a friend who has been charged with intent to sell or supply mdma with court date coming up soon. just wondering what kind of trouble he can get in for first change (no drugs found on him) he was busted buying a few e's in a club. they took his phone with some potentially criminating evidence on there (a friend had asked for 3 rounds on there)

dan
 
^ can you explain how he got caught a little clear please.
i was under the (perhaps false) impression that the charge 'intent to supply' is the next charge up from possession (as possession is been caught with x or less number of pills, intent to supply is x to y number of pills, etc), so i cant see how he got charged if nothing was found on him.
as far as i know there is no charge of intent to purchase.
fortehlulz can you clarify please, my curiousity has been aroused.
 
Last edited:
undercover cop caught them. he has been charged with it they said they didnt need to have drugs on them just the intent to get them. Msg on phone was just someone asking for a couple of rounds.
 
Smoifer said:
I've got a question more to do with phone taps etc. QUOTE]

Sounds like you been smoking too much gear and are paranoid as all fuck. "They" are probably monitoring your internet too, and are about to raid your arse any minute now matey... Well, thats pretty much the only way you will find out.

But seriously, this has been discussed already in this thread.
Click to expand...
 
Smoifer said:
I've got a question more to do with phone taps etc. Was wondering what the general signs are, like i know theres the theory about clicking and so on
Click to expand...

In the old days, when they had to physically splice into the line, this was correct. Not so anymore. Interception at the exchange is seamless.

Smoifer said:
when i'm about to send a message or make a phone call my phone will turn off then turn back on again and strange things like that
Click to expand...

Could be because, as you said earlier, your phone is old and sucks. Or, could be because your phone is being used when you aren't on it (read that how you like).

That said, its really not hard to get a warrant these days, Magistrates in Victoria especially are getting quite easy to convince.
 
Last edited:
Danial S said:
have a friend who has been charged with intent to sell or supply mdma with court date coming up soon. just wondering what kind of trouble he can get in for first change (no drugs found on him) he was busted buying a few e's in a club. they took his phone with some potentially criminating evidence on there (a friend had asked for 3 rounds on there)

dan
Click to expand...

Your mate should obtain legal advice forthwith.
 
itsWill said:
Hey Need Help!!

One of my friends lost their wallet a few months ago and the police just called him to say it was handed in!
Now, in this wallet contained drugs!
What can happen?
The policeman called and organised a day when he was on to collect the wallet.
Any info/help??
Click to expand...

Alarm bells are ringing. Police don't call to arrange a specific day for you to come in to pick up a wallet.

If the wallet is not picked up within a certain period of time, it and the contents will be destroyed should it not be claimed, unless of course they want to try and lay charges on that basis... and that'd be pushing shit uphill.
 
fortehlulz said:
Alarm bells are ringing. Police don't call to arrange a specific day for you to come in to pick up a wallet.

If the wallet is not picked up within a certain period of time, it and the contents will be destroyed should it not be claimed, unless of course they want to try and lay charges on that basis... and that'd be pushing shit uphill.
Click to expand...

Sounds like it might be a press that the police are particularly interested in.
 
Two quick questions -

I know this has been covered in the thread, but I'm still a little bit unclear. I got done for trafficking and theft when I was 16 (day before my 17th birthday actually), no conviction recorded, and a 9 month good behavior bond. How can/will this affect me in the future?

And this has also been covered-ish, but when you're being questioned/arrested can you demand a lawyer a la American movies, or do you have to organise it yourself?

Edit: Both in Victoria
 
Green Laser said:
Two quick questions -

I know this has been covered in the thread, but I'm still a little bit unclear. I got done for trafficking and theft when I was 16 (day before my 17th birthday actually), no conviction recorded, and a 9 month good behavior bond. How can/will this affect me in the future?

And this has also been covered-ish, but when you're being questioned/arrested can you demand a lawyer a la American movies, or do you have to organise it yourself?

Edit: Both in Victoria
Click to expand...

Commonwealth legislation provides for certain convictions (even if a 'conviction' is not recorded... a very grey area but anyway...) to become 'spent' after a specific length of time.

Essentially this means that once the period of rehabilitation has passed, you are under no legal obligation to reveal your conviction to anyone. The rehabilitive period is 10 years for convictions as an adult, and 5 years for a juvenile. As you were sentenced to a punishment less than 30 months prison, your offence is capable of being spent.

As you were a juvenile at the time, your conviction will be spent 5 years from the date of conviction. At this point (assuming you commit no further offences between now and then) this charge will no longer appear on a copy of your criminal history unless you have given permission for all charges/convictions to be listed. There are exemptions from the spent conviction act though, but these are relatively rare... in a nutshell (not exhaustive) if you apply for a job in law enforcement at any level you spent convictions must still be disclosed. Teachers for example, must also disclose relevant convictions (these include offences against minors) for obvious reasons. By and large though, once a conviction is spent it has little to no impact on your life from that point.

For the purposes of this post note that i include 'convictions not recorded' as convictions, as often the wording of questions of this nature is a more ambiguous 'have you ever been found guilty of an offence' rather than 'have you been convicted, regardless of whether or not a conviction has been recorded'.



As for requesting a legal practitioner to be present during questioning, the onus is on you to contact a lawyer/solicitor/barrister of your choosing or through Legal Aid should you wish. Police are under no legal obligation to assist you in finding representation. Questioning will be halted for a reasonable length of time to enable you to find suitable representation.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top