How to avoid getting caught

[alasdairm]

my comments were not directed at you.

alasdair

 

[TheDEA.org]

if you contend, as you seem to, that absolutely every single cop behaves illegally, then i'm going to have to ask you to back that up with something beyond an emotional rant. will you?

I...would say that every cop (or as close to it as counts) behaves manipulatively and dishonestly, with many being outright abusive at times.

I expect cops to lie. I expect them to abuse people. I expect them to violate civil rights, the constitution, and even the explicit laws of their jurisdiction. Granted, not every cop is like that. On a day when I feel particularly optimistic you might even convince me that a slender majority don't normally act like that. But, like the old joke that it's the 90% of crooked lawyers that give the rest a bad name, misbehavior is so rampant within the profession that it's very difficult to take defenses like 'but they aren't all bad!' seriously. Most skunks won't try to spray you, but I still won't trust a skunk.

 

[alasdairm]

I...would say that every cop (or as close to it as counts) behaves manipulatively and dishonestly, with many being outright abusive at times.

define 'many'. please provide some/any substantiation of both these claims.

I...would say that every cop (or as close to it as counts) behaves manipulatively and dishonestly
...
Granted, not every cop is like that. On a day when I feel particularly optimistic you might even convince me that a slender majority don't normally act like that.

these statements seem, to me, to contradict each other. at best, the thinking seems to be muddled and based on emotion and experience rather than facts.

to you and others in this thread, looking at just state and local police, there are over a million cops in this country alone. assume 80% of them act illegally (and that's a very conservative figure given some of the claims here) you shoud have no trouble showing tens if not hundreds of thousands of cases of cops breaking the law, let alone 800,000 or more (my 'million' figure is from 6 years ago...)

alasdair

 

[Sprinklervibes]

We once got into dispute with a cop(on bike, in non-cop clothes) because we were "in his way". After a little hard words from our side and his side(we were "on drugs" according to him), he went and grabbed/strangled my friend from behind in his neck for a split-second. We were all wtf! My friend said he was going to call the cops and then fake-called them - he's very good at fooling people - and said someone just assaulted him. When the cop yelled "[name], it's [name] here!" at the phone, we knew something was odd. Anyway, he left, and came back with two combi's with their searching lights aimed at us. Turns out he was a cop himself. He said to his collegues that someone of us had a knife on us, and they searched us. Luckily we had put all our "drugs" (only weed) at our crotch, so they didn't find anything.

What I'm trying to say is, they know all the little tricks to fuck you without breaking any law.. Like he hurt my friend quite a bit, but offcourse in a way that it wouldn't leave any evidence. And that knife too, he just invented it so they could search us. Stupid cunt.

But generally I'm quite pro-police. They're just doing their job, and using every way possible to mess with people they see as a threat to the country is part of it. They don't choose to see us as a threat to the country, most nondrug users look it at that way. But in my country the cops are pretty "cool" about drugs. (they only threat dealers harsh)
I even went to the police station while stoned, to ask their chief how the rules exactly were about smoking pot. I told him I just smoked pot, and that I wasn't 18 yet, and if he was going to do anything about it. He just laughed at me and said he knows a lot of collegues that do it.
And that they only write names down of users, so they can see which are problematic users(as in, get busted a lot)

 

[bowdenta]

ok they can search for weapons with a pat, but cant prosecute on drugs unless there is probable cause. now if a cop feels anything that might remotely be drugs, he'll go fishin. its up to you to show the courts he did not have probable cause to do this

he might even find drugs, confescate it, and just scare the hell out of you because he doesn't want to do paperwork over an 8th of weed

but most of this page off topic

just to be clear. if i cop lets you go, I wouldn't consider him a manipulative dick. so far, ive been let go twice. once with about a nick and paraphrenalia and once going 120 mph drunk as hell racing a friend. that cop was real nice

 

[Sprinklervibes]

Well I'm not in the US and I don't know if those rules are the same in Belgium, but I do know that if a cop asks in a friendly way "empty your pockets" that I'll do it without struggling, knowing that if I cooperate I'll get away with it easily.
And with bigger amounts(dealer amounts) they would easily feel it by patting, no?

 

[alasdairm]

^ i understand. i'm just trying to encourage people to consider that their (emotionally charged?) encounters with one or two or ten cops, does not mean that they know how 1 million other cops behave.

to me, that's what certain posters in this thread are saying.

i'm simply trying to say that overplaying issues like this is just as flawed as underplaying.

alasdair

 

[psychetool]

I don't beleive for one god-damn second that there are 'good' cops out there who would throw out evidence that they think would get a conviction because it was an illegal search. Not at all. I'm not underplaying anything, thats how it is. Thats how it's been proven to be over and over and over and over and over again. Look at the papers, look at corrupt police reports, look at all the testimony from people here who have been mistreated, look at the world around you. There might a couple by-the-book guys out there, but I doubt it, and I certainly haven't run into any.

 

[staypuft]

^^^they don't have to be good cops by throwing the evidence out...they just have to be good cops that don't lie under oath when your expensive lawyer brings up the issue of illegal search and seizure at the trial (or even before the trial)

...i might be terribly wrong on this =\

 

[alasdairm]

I don't beleive for one god-damn second that there are 'good' cops out there...

There might a couple by-the-book guys out there, but I doubt it...

are you two related?

...and I certainly haven't run into any.

and because you haven't run into any, there can't be any. at all. anywhere.

qed



alasdair

 

[bowdenta]

this Jay-Z song has some good adive too


"1-900-Hustler"
(feat. Beanie Sigel, Free, Memphis Bleek)

[Beanie Sigel]
1-900-Hustler, Sigel, holla at your boy
What's the problem shorty?

[Shorty]
Yeah whattup man
I'm the only nigga from Brooklyn out here man
I'm tryin to lock the spot down, holla at me

[Beanie Sigel]
Alright; hold on - Hova, line one

[Jay-Z]
Here's a couple of suggestions of how you could finesse it
You find a dude in town, you send him a short message
Say, "Hey, I'm new in town, I don't know my way around
but I got some soft white that's sure to come back brown
I get that butter all night
cause most niggaz don't know a brick from a bike
They keep buyin hard white
And if you free tomorrow night we can meet and discuss price
FYI, I never been robbed in my life"
Or -- you find a chick, shit, you hole up in her crib and
let her introduce you 'round town like her man
Shake hands, make friends like it's all innocent
then -- before they look up you sellin the town cook-up
Or -- gorilla pimp, come up on that killer shit
Take a nigga brick, smack him, then you sell it back to them
Still there Brooklyn?

[Shorty]
Yeah yeah that's gangsta, I think I'ma roll with that one

[Jay-Z]
Make out a check for eight hundred dollars
Jigga Man, holla [*click*, *dial tone*]

[Beans] 1-900-Hustler, Sigel, holla at your boy
[Chris] Whassup Sig? This Chris out the Young Guns dog
[Beans] Whattup?
[Chris] I'm ready to smash these niggaz in the rap game
The niggaz takin too long with that advance money and shit
[Beans] Yeah
[Chris] Talkin 'bout chill, chill don't pay the bills
[Beans] Yeah I feel that
[Chris] I know you well connected dog
Let me holla at somebody real
[Beans] Aight look, I got the perfect person for you, hold on
Bleek, line two

[Memphis Bleek]
Listen shorty, you wanna roll just give me the word
I ain't got time for a sentence all that shit is absurd
You find a strip first, if you don't cook find a bitch first
If you don't hustle find a nigga who pitch first
You new in town, no red and blue in town, there's gangs
Don't get fresh, let 'em know you small change
The strong move quiet, the weak start riots
We know you got a brick but sell 'em twenties til they tired
With no credit, you know you sick with that gotta eat fetish
and other niggaz who gettin it - DEAD IT
Make 'em an offer that they can't refuse
He resists, box him in, til he can't be moved
Here's the rules: chop it, bag it, stash it, stack it
Get in, get out - that's a O.G.'s classic
900-Hustler, you pass it around
Wanna speak to me direct, hit extension trey-pound, I'm out
[*click*, *dial tone*]

[Beans] 1-900-Hustler, Sigel, holla at your dog
What seem to be the problem young boy?
[MDKHN] Yo whattup, this Murder Def Kill Homicide Nigga
(??) I got two freaks
[Beans] Yo watch your fuckin mouth man
[MDKHN] Fuck you mean watch my mouth nigga?
Been on hold for about two hours nigga
[Beans] I don't give a fuck how long you been on the line;
shut the fuck up! Matter of fact, hold on
[*click*, *classical type music plays*]
[MDKHN] I know this nigga ain't just put.. put me on hold man
This bullshit-ass elevator music
[Beans] Free, pick up line five

[Free]
First things first, watch what you say out your mouth
when you talkin on the phone to hus-tlers
Never play the house, think drought, keep heat in the couch
when you sittin in the presence of cus-tomers
Never hold out, pull out, throw heat and be out
if a nigga ever think that he touchin-ya
Lay low, get cake, whip all over the state
Stash dough, whip yay with, right amount of bake (hoe!)
Nigga too close went right around his place (yo!)
You stoppin dough when we clutchin the gats?
I know you heard "Friend or Foe," this ain't different from that
Make sure you got your four-four and he can slip if he like
Young, Jon Benet doin a mission tonight and yo
until you up stay away from them dice and whores
Three smuts, two streaks and a dyke
can pause one-three rumbles two streaks and a pipe for sure
And if it's tight, then he might come back for more
Nine and four, everyday back and forth
Winter to summer, 1-900-Hustler
Pass the number til you're stackin balls
Tell you how to weigh shit wet and package more
I take cash or write the check out to F-R
two E's, that'll be two G's
And forget my money I'm comin for all your ki's, nigga
[*click*, *dial tone*]

[Beans] 1-900-Hustler, Sigel, holla at your boy dog
[MDKHN] Yo whattup young, you put me on hold earlier man what happened
[Beans] Yeah you stupid motherfucker [MDKHN: Watch your mouth man]
you talkin all reckless on the phone
[Beans] Fuck you think this the,
Get-Indicted-Hotline or somethin motherfucker?
[MDKHN] Yo, my bad man, my bad
I know I was talkin reckless earlier about them two chickens
You get it, you know, two chickens? But listen
[Beans] What?
[MDKHN] Just tell me how to move this shit man
I'm pushin hardly half a wing back nigga, holla
[Beans] Get a job, holla at Perdue!
[*click*, *dial tone*]

 

[psychetool]

are you two related?


and because you haven't run into any, there can't be any. at all. anywhere.

qed



alasdair

Fine, you happy if I say the VAST MAJORITY ? You bitch about symantics too much, you know exactly what i'm sayin'.

 

[alasdairm]

i don't know exactly what you're saying. i'm trying to get to the heart of it with this discussion.

if you say "all cops break the law" i read it as "all cops break the law". i don't know you or anything about you so the only practical thing to do is to take your comments literally.

the vast majority is still, by even a conservative reckoning, a huge number of cops. again, i invite you to back up your 'vast majority' claim with something - anything - in the way of unemotional, factual substantiation.

i'm being a stickler for a reason. i believe that one of bluelight's strengths is basis in fact, clinical analysis and lack of hyperbole. if you can make a solid case that "the vast majority" of cops have broken the law, that's extremely important information to bluelight's mission.

if you really have no idea and you just hate cops and you're exaggerating and posturing and posting emotional nonsense, that undermines bluelight's mission and i think it's crucially important for people to know what's fact and what's not.

i'm never sure why this is such a big deal. it's the simplest thing in the world to say:

"you know, i have no idea how many cops actually break the law in the course of their jobs but i think the number must be huge based on my personal experience and that of my friends"

or:

"in 2004, 755,000 cops were found guilty of breaking the law in the course of their jobs. that number comes from a study at some university (source) and, as there are 1.2 million cops in the states, it represents a majority"

is that really too much to ask?

alasdair

 

[-Guido-]

Thats one of the main reason we have lawyers, to keep these pigs in fucking check.

the key to being a successfull drug dealer:

dont fucking ever mention anything to anyone, anytime, anyplace, ever, about being a successfull drug dealer

Can I get a AMEN!?

(AMEN!)

 

[Pharaoh Sphinx]

best rule on how to avoid getting caught??

DONT TELL OTHER PEOPLE HOW YOU AVOID GETTING CAUGHT

 

[psychetool]

You're the one promoting joining the columbian cartel as a good way to make money and you're telling US to keep it on the downlow ? Not to mention the pictures of all those crates full of steroids n shit you posted a while back. Nah. I'm talking more for the users anyways, dealers gotta figure that stuff out for themselfs and keep it to themselfs.

 

[alasdairm]

I believe that most of the people in big citys have been abused, or know someone who has been abused by cops. It seems like it happens more often in big citys. The whole discussion about wether most cops break the law or not will never be finished.

certainly not as long as people continue to make outrageous claims like this. if you take just the populations of the us biggest 10 cities that's about 25 million people. most of them is, therefore, somewhere over 12.5 million people. can you back up your claim with anything approaching factual substantiation or do i have to assume this is just another number which has been pulled out of mid air?

seriously, please prove me wrong.

I dont know about you guys, but id MUCH rather be overly paranoid, than rely on my "illegal search and seizure" line in court.

there's a world of difference between being careful and paranoid and making ridiculous, inflated claims which have no basis in fact whatsoever.

alasdair

 

[axl blaze]

people please don't let this thread degenerate into a bitch-fest. it is doing nothing but wasting my time and yours. you all should be happy that I didn't close this outright, as I think many people could benefit from some points mentioned here, not to mention it is a pussy hair away from being against the guidelines.

 

[$n0w]

AxL, this thread was going just fine until alasdairm decided to start nit-picking as to how many cops are crooked and those who are not. Really, now how are we supposed to come up with factual information as to how many cops are bad and how many are good? And what does that even have to do with the topic of this thread?

And as for you alasdairm, no i cannot back up my claims that i made. But it is common sense that people who are in a higher power, have alot more chances of breaking the law and gettin away with it. I guess rocklobster really did nail it....

Yes there is a world of difference between "being careful and paranoid and making ridiculous, inflated claims which have no basis in fact whatsoever."

The difference is one is a way to avoid being caught and the other is personal experience that may not be 100% factual, however, it gives people an idea as to what COULD happen when you get gaffled by the cops

 

[johanneschimpo]

people please don't let this thread degenerate into a bitch-fest. it is doing nothing but wasting my time and yours. you all should be happy that I didn't close this outright, as I think many people could benefit from some points mentioned here, not to mention it is a pussy hair away from being against the guidelines.

...

AxL, this thread was going just fine until alasdairm decided to start nit-picking as to how many cops are crooked and those who are not. Really, now how are we supposed to come up with factual information as to how many cops are bad and how many are good? And what does that even have to do with the topic of this thread?

And as for you alasdairm, no i cannot back up my claims that i made. But it is common sense that people who are in a higher power, have alot more chances of breaking the law and gettin away with it. I guess rocklobster really did nail it....

Yes there is a world of difference between "being careful and paranoid and making ridiculous, inflated claims which have no basis in fact whatsoever."

The difference is one is a way to avoid being caught and the other is personal experience that may not be 100% factual, however, it gives people an idea as to what COULD happen when you get gaffled by the cops

You know what axl, I think that pussy hair is about to get shaved... (I had to say that because I love pussy hair and all it stands for)

ps. when I get to 1000 posts, I say goodbye forever to bluelight!