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How much dxm are you using?

that was always my biggest problem in school, dxmmonster, run on sentences and paragraphs. I write/type how I talk most of the time. To be honest I'm almost impressed I can still come up with sentences let alone stories in my mind after all the dex
 
30-90mg as needed. It's the only thing that works for my depression/anxiety states (aside from ketamine), and I've been on most of the major reuptake inhibitors. Benzos leave me too fucked up after I stop taking them.
 
Man and i thought I used to have a problem. I was for a while dosing 3 times a week, every week. Usually between the roughly 550 and 708mg each time. This went on for a few months then I started noticing negatives effects. I stop for a while picked up a little bit, but not as bad, and recently I've dosed probably 5 times in the past 2 weeks, but not very high doses.
 
I used to take 350-700 mg 1-5 times a week. I first started experimenting around '96 and hitin' it heavy in 2001 when all the good L dried up. I fell in love with certain aspects of the trip, low does at work, heavy loads at night. There are definetly addictive properties with dex, I used to guzzle down bottles while pushing my shopping cart through the store! I think dex fries the brain... when I drank heavy on dex, I swear I could feel the booze "melt" the dxm in my blood. Makes sense 'cause the shit is alcohol soluable.
 
wouldnt say damage but at the time I sure thought DXM had changed my brain chemistry or my personality permanently.

the first two high dose trips(500-700mg, was quite high at that time) were the most life changing experineces Iv ever had, even more so than my acid trips.
 
I took 215 MG (started with 300mg) but felt nothing, could of been from a full stomach, or my extraction screwed something up, or the fact that I swallowed it wrapped in toilet paper did something I have no idea.
 
ason unique, you the guafinsen guy, right? you prolly took too little...

so i did the math.. i ate 3.5 grams of dxm last week. i feel pretty normal now, about 2 days after my last dose. was pretty depressed until now though.

I think i permanently lowered my short term memory, not sure. But that was from my first trip. Since then my memory has stayed at the same level.

what, me worry? if you're eating it daily, i think you could be on the way to permanent changes, if not damage. if you smoke cigarettes everyday, your brain permanently changes. i think dxm is more beneign than nicotine, but, why push your luck? take a break dude. you're have horrible depression for like a week once you stop, but it'll end. at least the dxm-based come-down depression. I wish you the best for the rest of your mind.
 
what said:
I am leaving for boot camp in a matter of months and intend to use until i leave and enter my "rehab" and hopefully get back on my pills.

You said boot camp, which is Marine lingo. If you're joining the USMC, they will not allow you to take anti-anxiety or antidepressant medication. A naval physician simply will not prescribe that for you. Maybe for a high ranking active duty officer. But certainly not for a recruit.

I don't know about the army but I could imagine it would be similar.

edit--Not to mention that you are doing serious, actual organic damage to your brain using that much DXM. DXM fucks your shit up so badly. I really can't tell you how much you're going to regret doing this. You can't memorize all the myriad shit one must memorize and be able to shout back on command at boot camp with a damaged, dexed-out, fogged up brain. You run the risk of not graduating. I'm gunna be straight up with you and not sugar coat it: you're fucking your brain and you should stop. Now. With your current level of usage, cutting down would be a joke. Your brain needs a rest. I'm not giving you shit, I'm seriously concerned and wish the very best for you.
 
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lazydullard said:
ason unique, you the guafinsen guy, right? you prolly took too little...

so i did the math.. i ate 3.5 grams of dxm last week. i feel pretty normal now, about 2 days after my last dose. was pretty depressed until now though.

I think i permanently lowered my short term memory, not sure. But that was from my first trip. Since then my memory has stayed at the same level.

what, me worry? if you're eating it daily, i think you could be on the way to permanent changes, if not damage. if you smoke cigarettes everyday, your brain permanently changes. i think dxm is more beneign than nicotine, but, why push your luck? take a break dude. you're have horrible depression for like a week once you stop, but it'll end. at least the dxm-based come-down depression. I wish you the best for the rest of your mind.

Yeah I am I did the same thing but used all of the pills in the bottle this time, since no store around me has DXM only, just with guaifenesin.
 
Roger&Me said:
You said boot camp, which is Marine lingo. If you're joining the USMC, they will not allow you to take anti-anxiety or antidepressant medication. A naval physician simply will not prescribe that for you. Maybe for a high ranking active duty officer. But certainly not for a recruit.

I don't know about the army but I could imagine it would be similar.

edit--Not to mention that you are doing serious, actual organic damage to your brain using that much DXM. DXM fucks your shit up so badly. I really can't tell you how much you're going to regret doing this. You can't memorize all the myriad shit one must memorize and be able to shout back on command at boot camp with a damaged, dexed-out, fogged up brain. You run the risk of not graduating. I'm gunna be straight up with you and not sugar coat it: you're fucking your brain and you should stop. Now. With your current level of usage, cutting down would be a joke. Your brain needs a rest. I'm not giving you shit, I'm seriously concerned and wish the very best for you.

I agree DXM and bootcamp dont mix but what might this "actual organic damage" your talking about be? and how does DXM "fuck your shit up so badly"?

Im not diagreeing with you, and I dont think daily DXM is a good idea, but can you provide some proof that high dose DXM causes irreversible damage to the brain.

Im not trying to dick size here, but Iv used a shit load in my "days", and by shit load I mean around 3 grams a week for a couple of months. And Iv never had any permanent brain damage. Sure my brain might be working a lot slower during the first week after stopping and my memory might also pretty fucked, but slowly after time I got back to being normal. Or atlest I think Im back to normal...
Who knows, maybe Im 10% slower than before, I just dont notice it.

Lol, anyways, I totally agree with everthing else you say, he should stop with the daily DXM if he's going to the military.
 
Dissociatives definitely cause brain damage if used heavily.
One sub-anaesthetic "line dose" of ketamine, an equivalent dose of PCP, or a third plateau DXM dose, is probably at least as damaging to your brain as a few day "bender" on hard liquor, and possibly more so because it affects specific areas of the brain.
The risk of brain damage is worse the longer you stay high at any given time; constant moderate-dose use is probably just as damaging as a brief, high-dose use.
Reaching the anaesthetic level is exceedingly hard on your brain.
Ketamine is probably the least harmful, PCP the most, and DXM somewhere in the middle, but this is a rough guesstimate. Nitrous oxide is brief acting, but it too may be dangerous; it is also known to damage both central and peripheral nerves by depleting vitamin B12

Some people may be more susceptible to Olney's lesions than others. There is, to my knowledge, NO way of knowing how susceptible you are.

In addition to brain damage, these drugs can also trigger psychosis, limbic seizures, temporal lability, depression, and other neurological and psychological diseases much more frequently than other types of drugs. The dissociatives can be highly addictive to a minority of users. In comparison, the marijuana and the serotonergic psychedelics (LSD, psilocybin mushrooms, peyote, DMT) are many times safer.

People who have used dissociatives heavily have shown clear evidence of brain damage. This is not necessarily conclusive, since the people who become addicted to them might have underlying conditions (specifically, temporal lobe complex partial seizures) which could be responsible for some of the damage. Nonetheless, I can't ignore the fact that most everyone who uses dissociatives both frequently and heavily ends up with some sort of neurological or psychological problem, ranging from impaired memory to a schizophrenia-like syndrome. Many of the impairments correspond exactly to the areas of the brain damaged in lab animals.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dxm/dxm_health1.shtml
 
^if you follow the link to the erowid page with that info you posted, you'll notice that the author (William White) retracted those statements in 2004. as far as i know, Onley's lesions have only been observed in rodents.

that being said, large daily doses will certainly negatively affect cognition. whether permanently or temporarily is currently unkown. anecdotally, it seems that the impairment is real and can last a long time, but it certainly doesn't seem like people who abused DXM have permanent brain damage.

as for the original question:
i mostly enjoy DXM in lower doses. 180-350mg is good for a euphoric introspective high. i find movement very pleasureable at this dosage level. also, at low dosages, i find it combines well with things like cannabis, benzos or alcohol.

personally, i wouldn't dose more than 500mg anymore. i trip pretty hard at that dose, and higher dosages have diminishing returns for me. higher dosages lead to annoying side effects (loss of motor control, loss of stereo vision, nausea and other physical uncomfortable-ness) and periods of amnesia. all my 700mg trips were pretty unenjoyable and hard to remember.
 
I'll link once again to this abstract:
Dextromethorphan is a widely used antitussive agent, also showing increased recreational abuse. Dextromethorphan and its metabolite dextrorphan are non-competitive antagonists at the N-methyl-d-aspartate (NMDA) receptor ion channel. Single doses of some NMDA receptor antagonists produce neuropathologic changes in neurons of the retrosplenial/posterior cingulate cortices (RS/PC), characterized by vacuolation or neurodegeneration. To determine whether dextromethorphan produces these characteristic lesions, dextromethorphan was administered orally either as a single dose of 120 mg/kg to female rats, or daily for 30 days at doses of 5–400 mg/(kg day) to male rats and 5–120 mg/(kg day) to female rats. Brains were examined microscopically for evidence of neuronal vacuolation (4–6 h postdose) and neurodegeneration (24 or 48 h postdose). Administration of dextromethorphan at 120 mg/(kg day) in females, and at ≥150 mg/(kg day) in males produced marked behavioral changes, indicative of neurologic effects. Mortality occurred at the highest doses administered. There were no detectable neuropathologic changes following single or repeated oral administration of dextromethorphan at any dose. Administration of MK-801 (9 mg/kg) produced both cytoplasmic vacuolation and neuronal degeneration in neurons of the RS/PC cortex. Thus characteristic neuropathologic changes found with more potent NMDA receptor antagonists do not occur following single or repeated oral administration of dextromethorphan.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17573115

Even at doses where DXM killed rats for other reasons, no neurotoxicity was evident. That's at doses that would be equivalent to 10-28g/daily in humans! That's not to say it might not do something bad (like modifying gene expression or synaptic rewiring negatively), however it should not produce any vacuolization.
 
Ason Unique said:
Yeah I am I did the same thing but used all of the pills in the bottle this time, since no store around me has DXM only, just with guaifenesin.


I just took this and it has been an hour, if nothing happens within the hour, I'm sure this also didn't work. This time I started with probably 600 mg, unknown what was left.
 
nuke said:
I'll link once again to this abstract:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17573115

Even at doses where DXM killed rats for other reasons, no neurotoxicity was evident. That's at doses that would be equivalent to 10-28g/daily in humans! That's not to say it might not do something bad (like modifying gene expression or synaptic rewiring negatively), however it should not produce any vacuolization.

Thank you very much for that sir Nuke.
:) :)
 
Yeah, I've kind of suspected the "holes in the brain" talk to be kind of suspect. OTherwise how do all the K-heads, PcP-heads and DXM-faces I've known not be completely retarded? If it really drilled holes into your brain,how the fuck do these maniacs manage to take so much and not become proto-chimps?!?

that said, dissociatives are addictive unlike their properly psychedelic cousins.
 
Ason Unique said:
I just took this and it has been an hour, if nothing happens within the hour, I'm sure this also didn't work. This time I started with probably 600 mg, unknown what was left.


Noticed nothing, parachuted the powder in two sheets from toilet paper, 2-3 hours felt nothing really, at times I felt like I couldn't balance very well, but that was about it. Next time I'm just taking the pills without trying my extraction process.
 
This kid I used to talk to on IRC suffered irreversible damage from DXM. He mixed it with some kind of antihistamine I think. He went into a coma for a long time and when he came back, he was basically a child again. Now he has to remember how to walk, talk, eat, etc, all over again. I haven't heard how he is doing in a while. I think he is alive, but he will definitely never be the same.
 
I started using DXM in fall of 2006, when I was 16. Used it about once a month from there on until fall of 2008. At this point I could no longer stomach it, even at doses of 300mg, which were relatively ineffective, not to mention I now had a steady-ish source of Ketamine, to which I view DXM as inferior. So I extracted it at 450mg once and it worked quite nicely, then I tried at 750mg. I botched the second extraction, decided to only drink half due to lighter fluid taste, got some nice effects but NASTY tastes the whole trip from lighter fluid burps. Tried it one last time in February of this year, not extraction, couldn't stomach it, will never use the nasty shit again...
 
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