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Heroin How hard is to shoot yourself up the first time?

I hope you don't interpret my posts as being mean. I am writing you purely from a harm reduction, yet fellow human being standpoint. I really hope that you aren't deterred from this harm reduction forum, it's a great resource.

You could have said no, etc. but you didn't. This is the point, he doesn't have to say or do anything to take advantage of you, because this is what heroin does to people. It is absolutely unforgivable that he injected you the way he did under those circumstances.

I am honestly just trying to keep you out of harms way, you're playing with fire, at the gas station. I have no ill intentions, surely you can see that. I am giving you the same advice I would give my best friend. That "friend" is very lucky I don't know who he is, because if someone did that to one of my friends..... I need not say more.
 
I've been debating whether or not to continue posting in this forum.
I'm sorry you feel this way. This site is a great resource with some truly amazing people and I'm proud to be a part of this community. Please don't give up on us.
Not that I don't deserve it.
You most certainly don't. Don't ever think that you do :)

I can't really offer you more than I already have. It's unfortunate that you're still a greenlighter and not able to sent many PMs. I said before that you are only able to PM staff(and for many years this was the rule here), but I see now that I was mistaken. You're actually able to send 1 PM every 3 hours, and I'm sure you don't want to squander this. Anyway, when you do become a Bluelighter(50 posts), please don't hesitate to PM me if you'd like to chat about anything. <3
 
I hope you don't interpret my posts as being mean. I am writing you purely from a harm reduction, yet fellow human being standpoint. I really hope that you aren't deterred from this harm reduction forum, it's a great resource.

No, I don't think you're being mean. It was just a couple of people. And I guess if I'm going to be involved in this I'd better grow up and stop being overly sensitive.

I have gotten some answers to my questions via private message with some people. Of course the one question that no one can answer is why does this stuff have to be so wonderful?

Thank you for your kind words.
 
I don't know which posts offended you, but if they clearly violate the rules or if you feel like you're being personally attacked or whatever (just an example) use the report post function, found at the top right of every post.

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I don't know which posts offended you, but if they clearly violate the rules or if you feel like you're being personally attacked or whatever (just an example) use the report post function, found at the top right of every post.

It looks like this
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^Also, if someone really bugs you but is not necessarily breaking any of the forum rules, you can add any non-staff member to your ignore list by clicking their profile. When you put someone on this list you no longer see any of their posts or PMs.

Thank you both but as I said earlier I have to stop being so sensitive. I'm not reporting anyone. I just have to learn to ignore that stuff.
 
I'm not saying anything about sensitivity, but if you see a post that violates the rules, or would make you or someone else feel uncomfortable in a way that is obviously not acceptable, please do use the report function so appropriate measures may be taken. It's not "snitching", this is a public forum, everyone can see what is posted, so it just helps staff deal with it in less time.
 
This is how i do it, and it works great. Prepare your heroin just as you would for injection, lay back on your bed or couch and aim the needle to your nostril and gently squirt as much as you want inside. Stay on your back for at least 5 min so it absorbs in the membranes, and it'll feel great. Don't ask us how to inject into your arm. We dont want you to do that.
 
This is how i do it, and it works great. Prepare your heroin just as you would for injection, lay back on your bed or couch and aim the needle to your nostril and gently squirt as much as you want inside. Stay on your back for at least 5 min so it absorbs in the membranes, and it'll feel great. Don't ask us how to inject into your arm. We dont want you to do that.

Are you using saline instead of water? It's much less irritating on the nasal membranes, I used to waterline heroin that I'd carry around in a nasal saline spray bottle, which you can use just about anywhere.

Honestly though, the OP should not be using heroin at all. She was feeling really stressed or something, and someone with beyond-questionable motives injected her with heroin. Yes, she could have said no, and should have, because injection of unknown substances is highly reckless and dangerous but I think it's completely unfair to say this is all her fault.

I have a major problem with this "friend" who is maintaining sexual relations with the OP, that is NOT what a friend would do. A friend helps you find a solution to your problem, a dealer takes your money and numbs your pain temporarily and knows damn well that you're going to come back no matter what. His behavior is either idiotic or sociopathic, either way this person needs to be out of your life Emily.

Sounds to me like this "friend" could care less about the actual problems, if he injected heroin as a solution. This reminds me of abuse I endured in psych wards, where when you have a problem, they just hit you with Thorazine, to shut you up. I cannot begin to tell you how wrong and abusive this is, I swell with rage just thinking about it.

This person in no way deserves to be around you Emily, let alone to share sexual intercourse. You're rewarding him for taking advantage of you, it solidifies in his mind and in yours that this is okay, that this is normal, and this vicious cycle never ends. The next time you have sex with him, think about this please. You are a human being with rights, and deserve to be treated like the beautiful person you are on the inside.

And to the poster who suggested Emily is trolling, it may be hard to believe, but you have to assume she is telling the truth. It's not THAT hard to believe, I've witnessed similar things in real life, and read about it online too. When I first read this post, I got violently nauseous like I was going to throw up, but the nausea very quickly turned to pure rage and frustration. It is absolutely sickening and unforgivable what happened, but to dismiss it as trolling, is just as sick in my opinion. This guy is just very lucky I don't know who he is.
 
You can't hit an artery in the crook of your arm, so use those if you have them. Stay away from the underside of your wrist and don't use your legs. If you have to hit your hands, use the big one right where it branches off to the thumb and to the knuckle of your forefinger. If you feel any pain you're either out of the vein or going too fast--flag for some blood to find out if you're still in the vein.

If your hand shakes like mine does sometimes, rest it against your arm. hold it close to the plunger so that you can flag for blood and them push down without re-positioning your hand (as re-positioning might cause the needle to move out of the vein).

Rotate sites if you have more than one. Use a fresh needle EVERY time, meaning if you don't hit a vein the first try you transfer the solution to a fresh syringe before you try again. Use an alcohol swab on the site beforehand to reduce the risk of infection.
 
Sweety, that's taking advantage.

wow, could you be more patronising?

I'm responsible for myself.

this is true, you are responsible for what goes into you, you made that choice.

still, it's a dick thing for him to do, i would never introduce anyone to heroin, my ex gf introduced me to it which made it very hard to leave, and associated a lot of good feelings with her, as i didn't have any connects and didn't want to quit.
 
wow, could you be more patronising?



this is true, you are responsible for what goes into you, you made that choice.

still, it's a dick thing for him to do, i would never introduce anyone to heroin, my ex gf introduced me to it which made it very hard to leave, and associated a lot of good feelings with her, as i didn't have any connects and didn't want to quit.

He wasn't being patronising, at least that wasn't his intention. He, like many others are just trying to help me see something that I don't want to see.
 

I did read your posts and I thank you for your insights. In the third post you mentioned how one needs to take personal responsibility for ones actions. I believe I have said throughout this thread that ultimately I'm responsible for what I've done and for what I continue to do.
 
Emily, if you chose not to walk away from heroin right now, and you should (since you are at a point where your addiction hasn't flowered yet, so you can cash in your chips and walk away from these life sucking opiates), then please follow through with your idea to snort or smoke it instead.

These methods are far safer than injecting, obviously, but they are also far less efficient, which is a great thing with a substance as powerful as Heroin. This is your last chance to enjoy heroin by smoking and snorting it, and you can always go back to IV when these two methods don't work anymore. You can't "downgrade" to smoking/snorting once you have a solid IV tolerance, though.

IV'ing is so risky, both for your health and for its potential to turbocharge your addiction to the rock bottom stage in record time. IV heroin is the "Volume 11," the "level 10" of life. There truly is nothing better, other than a couple of IV prescription opioids. The candle that burns from both ends (heroin) might give off more of an intense light, but it burns out far more quickly. You are trying to burn it from the middle as well with the IV heroin usage, so where do you go from there?
 
Emily, if you chose not to walk away from heroin right now, and you should (since you are at a point where your addiction hasn't flowered yet, so you can cash in your chips and walk away from these life sucking opiates), then please follow through with your idea to snort or smoke it instead.

These methods are far safer than injecting, obviously, but they are also far less efficient, which is a great thing with a substance as powerful as Heroin. This is your last chance to enjoy heroin by smoking and snorting it, and you can always go back to IV when these two methods don't work anymore. You can't "downgrade" to smoking/snorting once you have a solid IV tolerance, though.

IV'ing is so risky, both for your health and for its potential to turbocharge your addiction to the rock bottom stage in record time. IV heroin is the "Volume 11," the "level 10" of life. There truly is nothing better, other than a couple of IV prescription opioids. The candle that burns from both ends (heroin) might give off more of an intense light, but it burns out far more quickly. You are trying to burn it from the middle as well with the IV heroin usage, so where do you go from there?

Where do I go from there? That's the big question. I did try smoking; it was a bit of a disaster but I will try it again when I get the chance. As far as snorting goes I've been told that it's hard to get powder where I am. It's possible to get it if I go up to Charlotte although I'm not sure where to look. Someone I know is going to find out for me.
 
^Smoking takes some practice, so I'm sure you wasted a lot when you did it, which is why you were not happy with that ROA. You can make a nasal spray to drip into your nose. You can get an oral syringe at any pharmacy, and prep the solution the same way you would with IV, but then just drip a few drop in each nostril as you lay your head back, and continue doing that every few minutes until you get the desired effects.

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That's what they look like, and they don't require a prescription or anything, nor are they shady to buy since they are used to dose childrens medicines, or for applying oral medications for anybody. You can also try plugging with it, and that link gives directions on how. Honestly I really like snorting it, and I prefer that over IV, both for safety reasons, and because I like the come-up from snorting it, and it lasts a lot longer than IVing the drug, plus I'm not worried about messing up a shot, or overdosing from the shot, or any of the nasty complications that come with IV use.

Since you are not getting powder heroin you must be getting tar heroin, and you really don't want that in your veins. I have a friend that is a pro at shooting, and when he moved to an area that had tar heroin his veins were gone so fast, plus he got the nastiest abscesses, and they left these dark circle marks/scars that won't go away. Even if you figured out how to shoot up on your own, your veins would be destroyed very quickly.
 
im sorry this is not strictly ontopic atm, but the answer is totally in the correct place:
if were talking me - NO, absolutely definitively NO WAY would i able to IV myself. there are people with 15+ everyday IV exp. and they have trouble finding a vein (for some reason usually one comes up ON my hand, its where the hand ends and the hand goes until the elbow (most junkies usually end up finding one in their elbow and i sometimes do to but its after mad "training" my hand and when the vein finally shows itself one person holds my circulation still (like a usual belt would if one were to shoot alone) and the other person, because we use 22g needles, even if the vein is perfectly visible, sometimes has to do it twice. when you go to usualy pharmacy and ask for needles (even for "fentanyl/heroin") they just give you the 22g ones and thats it. but its not because all the people working in the pharmacies are incompassionate - its just that they dont have anything smaller to offer, insulin needles are very rarely available as the ones that legit need insulin neeles, get them with their meds. BUT you can get insulin needles or 28g needles and other 'iv gear' from needle exchange. theres a needle exchange thats open every day (i think) and there is also a bus (like an ambulance) thats drive around different suburbs (our suburbs are 9-16 story soviet buildings very close to each other if you were to see problem most people have with parking their car as the buildings were built (1970-1986) at a time when there were perhaps 2-3 cars for the WHOLE HOUSE (88 apartments). so anyway, there is EXTREMELY little space for cars.
 
Where do I go from there? That's the big question. I did try smoking; it was a bit of a disaster but I will try it again when I get the chance. As far as snorting goes I've been told that it's hard to get powder where I am. It's possible to get it if I go up to Charlotte although I'm not sure where to look. Someone I know is going to find out for me.

How is the pill market where you're at? If you can find some hydromorphone / oxymorphone, you should be able to snort those after you get rid of the ER coating (if any) and crush. Personally, I wouldn't suggest either of those from a HR standpoint. hydromorphone and oxymorphone are more potent than heroin. Not necessarily bad, but the way I see it is that if you miscalculate the "conversion rate" from heroin to hydrocodone and take an extra 2 mg, you probably won't die. With buprenorphine though, a 2mg margin of error could damn well kill you (never used it, don't know very much about it, so I don't know for sure. Wiki says its prescribed in less than 2 mg to treat opiate addiction, so id think a 2 mg margin of error would be huge).

Oxycodone and hydrocodone don't really compare to Iv heroin. I think you should try them anyway because iv heroin, BTH in particular, is a very risky, destructive chemical. Its alright if you use infrequently, but it sounds like you have no interest in stopping before you're addicted.
The best option for you though, would probably be to go for morphine. Heroin is practically just morphine when you swallow it. (There's some 6-MAM mixed in when it gets to your brain if I remember right) Snorting and smoking should be mostly morphine by the time the drug gets to your brain, but those ROA are a little bit faster, so I would expect that a little diacetylmorphine is getting to your brain.

And the other option I would suggest (probably been suggesting already) is plugging. A little undignified, yes, but it won't damage your veins as much as IV will, it can be easier for a new user.
 
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