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Heroin/Oxycontin Cotton shots

GenericMind said:
Injecting pills is extremely bad for you, period.
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i'll second that. i felt a lot more comfortable and at ease when i was IVing heroin instead of pills. (not to say that IVing heroin is good or safe for you...)
 
InHerOwnWrite said:
in my experience, it's useless to try and get a shot from cottons you've used to inject pills. the thing is, i only shoot subutex (bupe) and havlane (water-soluble benzo), plus some promethazine or diphenhydramine. there's way too much shit that's not the bupe or the benzo left in the cotton, you can never get a good shot from that.
the only success i had with cotton shots was when i was shooting heroin, but that's not what you're discussing here. as for your questions about what else could be water soluble in an OxyContin pill, i'd be interested to hear that if anyone knows.
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yea but we are talking about shooting real drugs here, not benadryl and suboxone. where I am from this is called a "wash," and I remember "back in the day" that a couple of pills later the spoon could be "washed" for a worthwhile hit. it worked and being an oc junky i would "wash," that day so not a lot of time for bacteria to grow - i don't know, I never got a fever - i'm not recommending it, i'm just saying it works.
 
Sorry, but you are very wrong. The residue definitely contains oxycodone within it. i've done my above procedure many times with quality results. I cannot justify that it is safe or healthy, but for anyone who does IV's oxy, it's a great way to get a shot when you have no other option. As far as heating the water/pill mixture, I always do.(Note that the only pill I IV are OC's) I understand the risks you guys propose from the binders that may be added from dissolving with heat, but here are a few points.
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Wow I didn't think people were this misinformed on Bluelight...

If you heat it you are only soaking up the nonsoluble binders and fillers in. Do not heat up pills.

Secondly if you are getting something by doing this that means you didn't crush your pills adequately.

You're not injecting any drugs, you are only injecting pill binders when you do this.
 
kadaj said:
Have you ever been addicted to IVing opiates? Anyone fiending hard enough going through that sort of addiction wouldn't think twice about it...
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If it validates what I say, yes. I shot tar for 2 years. Tar isn't good on your veins either, its up there along will pills on the "horrible things to shoot" list.
Still, that idea grosses me out. Hell, just looking at tar nowadays grosses me out.
Once you're out of the addiction, you can look at in a different way, and it ain't so pretty/glamourous anymore.
 
Great post Generic. Before I respond I just want to say I appreciate you taking the time to give me a solid, well-reasoned, and cited response. Just for the record, I wasn't trying to be combative or promote that pills were safe, I just wanted to see why it's dangerous and have some proof. That being said, here's what I found from your article and my own research.

I researched the excipients contained in OxyConTin, which were as follows: Lactose monohydrate, Povidone, Ammoniomethacrylate co-polymer, Sorbic acid, Glyceryl triacetate, Stearyl alcohol, Talc, Magnesium stearate, Hypromellose (E464), Titanium dioxide (E171), Macrogol
http://emc.medicines.org.uk/emc/assets/c/html/DisplayDoc.asp?DocumentID=2579

As you can see, no microcrystalline cellulose, which is good. Microcrystalline cellulose is likely an issue concerning many pills that people IV, but obviously not here. The only expedient mentioned in the case study you provided is Povidone. It seems that Povidone is likely soluble in water, but I'm not sure to what extent due to conflicting information. That would mean it is likely of little consequence since the report warned of the injection of the "insoluble excipients" Also, I'm not sure that this case study is an accurate reflection of IV Oxy use for a few reasons. 1) The patient was chronically ill, suffering from "Cystic Fibrosis and poorly controlled CF-related diabetes mellitus", likely affecting the outcome. 2) She was injecting an aqueous solution of crushed acetaminophen/hydrocodone, which just seems like an insane amount of extra junk to get the hydrocodone. 3) No where in the article does it mention anything about how the solution was prepared, like whether it was heated or filtered, which are key issues in this thread. I'l need to do some further research on the other components of OXyConTin that I listed above to see which are water soluble, at what temperature, and whether or not they're dangerous.

For now, I'd have to say that on the surface it would appear that oxycontin is one of the safer pills to inject, if such a statement can be made. Shooting pills is dangerous, and that is undeniable, but as long as people are going to do it, it's nice to know what levels of danger you're dealing with. I guess that's the whole point of 'harm reduction' lol. Thanks for your response, its nice to get a response that has some factual basis to it and isn't just opinion. When I research those other components I'll get back to you guys.

P.S. LightTrails said,
LightTrailz said:
Here we go again ... in before the close...
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Did I break a rule that I'm unaware of? If so let me know so I not to do so again.
 
TheodoreRoosevelt said:
Wow I didn't think people were this misinformed on Bluelight...

If you heat it you are only soaking up the nonsoluble binders and fillers in. Do not heat up pills.

Secondly if you are getting something by doing this that means you didn't crush your pills adequately.

You're not injecting any drugs, you are only injecting pill binders when you do this.
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Misinformed...ok, so you can get high off of pill binders? And our friend above who said he scraped the residue out of his H spoon and got high, what was that? Were those 'heroin binders'? How do you know that this is true? Do you have proof? Why would the previously insoluble components suddenly become soluble?

OxyContin contains paraffin wax, with which the oxycodone is mixed, among other excipients into a homogenous mixture. When you crush it and add water, (and in my case, heat) the oxycodone dissolves into the water and the wax, along with other insoluble excipients, rises to the top as it cools. However, sometimes during this process, not all of the oxycodone is freed or it settles back in with the wax as it cools, leaving behind a residue consisting primarily or wax and binders, along with some of the drug. I will state that this is my educated guess, but it makes much more sense than your OPINION, because there is Oxy left in that residue, as anyone who has tried this will tell you. As someone who does not have a knowledge of the makeup of an Oxycontin pill, the solubility of its components, or has even tried this technique, I don't see where you can get off saying I'm misinformed. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but at least state that it's your OPINION and not fact. If it is a fact, then back it up and source it, as Generic was so kind to do, and as I try to do. Have a nice day :)
 
Previously unsoluble components will become soluble when heated.

If you are getting high off that residue that means you didn't stir it up and crush it up enough.
 
Ok, but those same components were heated the first time. Would you guys like to support your opinion with some sort of evidence or explanation? I don't think you answered any of my questions except the last one, albeit incorrectly. I understand neither one of you have ever tried it, so besides not having any backing to your statements, you also have no experience. Also, I feel I can safely assume neither one of you are chemists. So explain to me why I should believe your OPINION, if you don't mind.
 
well you know you should inject any type of pills even if they have water soluble binders due to the fact that they may reconstitute and get lodge in the lungs causing scarring and lesions to form....
 
andyman1109 said:
So explain to me why I should believe your OPINION, if you don't mind.
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Because YOU come to US to ask for things. Then we tell you what we think, you call bullshit. Now what are we supposed to do 8) ?
 
rave23 said:
Because YOU come to US to ask for things. Then we tell you what we think, you call bullshit. Now what are we supposed to do 8) ?
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Only because people present there opinions as fact, thats what I'm saying. I'm not trying to be a bitch, but I can't help but to retaliate when people tell me I'm wrong and so very misinformed when all they're giving is they're unsupported opinion
 
Heron, Oxycodone, Et cetera, is easily water soluble.

That is why you are wrong.

You're misinformed. All you are doing is sucking up shit that won't get you high. I'm skeptical to think that you'd actually get high off that residue. That's just odd, unless you were like prepping up multiple shots at once.

If you are actually getting high off that residue being rewashed, then you are doing a really, really bad job of dissolving your pills.

Opiates are readily soluble, so that means they should dissolve when crushed and added to the water pretty quickly. Only reason that you may be getting high off it is if you are leaving a huge amount of water behind.
 
Thats what I'm saying, I understand that oxycodone is readily water soluble, but as melange just said, ask anyone who's done it. I don't know exactly why it is, but like I said, it probably has to do with some of the drug still being trapped in the wax. Even though oxy is water soluble, if it's trapped inside of an insoluble component, then it wouldn't dissolve would it?
 
Im pretty sure the same problems that come with shooting heroin cottons also apply to shooting oxycontin cottons. The big problem is bacteria growing on the cottons. That can happen on any cottons despite what drugs have been filtered through them.

Hence, why not ask this question in the heroin cotton shots thread?

Ill do you a favor and merge it in.
 
ugh... i guess i came off wrong. I deleted the post. My bad, won't happen again.

i just think people who are doing something when they know it's obviously dangerous are not verry smart.

Yes, i do use drugs, i know i belong right in that group. I never said i am a notch better, sorry if i came off as condescending.
 
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