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Hating on people who hate on needles...

different drugs have different side effects. how you administer your drugs can also produce side effects. some people will look at coke and be like 'fuck that, shits stupid look what it does', while others look at a line and think 'there is a little line of heaven right there'.

its called point of view. the world looks different from where your standing. its the same reason people have different opinions on tv series. its a matter of taste/preference. personally i would never use a needle because i have seen a few people go down that path and its not somewhere i want to be in my life. i don't think i'm better than you for only smoking pot and drinking, i just desire different things in life. the life of a heroin addict doesn't appeal to me, but being an alcholic and a pothead doesn't seem so bad to me.

its a matter of preference. not everyone looks for the same things in life.
 
im not an IV user but i can completely understand why you would be. its the ultimate way to do drugs, that rush of oblivion must be incredible. i choose not to because i dont think i would be able to stop if i did start.
 
It's just a stupid stigma for the most part and a irrational fear.........
This right above, doesn't jive with......





.....this down below.
All the same IV drug use did fuck me up good and proper for abit. So i certainly wouldnt advise anyone to start injecting if they havent already done so.

Anyone with a distaste or fear of injecting drugs to get high has a well-founded and rational fear, with PLENTY of evidence that it's very likely to lead to complete disaster.
 
Anyone with a distaste or fear of injecting drugs to get high has a well-founded and rational fear, with PLENTY of evidence that it's very likely to lead to complete disaster.

There's evidence that other ROA's can lead to just as much disaster... it all depends on the user, and how much effort they exert in the name of harm reduction.
 
i'm very open-minded, so it doesn't bother me either way, but i have seen A LOT of posts on here saying something along the lines of "once you start IVing, everything changes." not saying there aren't exceptions -- that's just the impression i get from the discussions around here.
 
how can you call needle the safest? how many times have people OD'd with a needle and how many times have they OD'd snorting?/QUOTE]

If you do 1gram of of ketamine sniffing it, you would only need to to use 55-60mg'ss for a same/stronger high coz of the rush... plenty people OD on sniffing, "oh another line won't do any more after this last line" BS.... thats why i refered to using IV correctly...

IE. over here you get "steribox" 2 clean needles, 2 vials of clean water, 2 spoon like things, 2 filters... and a condomm (y ;)ou never know)
 
when in fact, this ROA... if done properly (clean stuff.. micron filters etc....) is the safest ROA there is...

Not to be a dick in the least bit, but I'm kinda surprised they let you be moderator spewing out a comment like that.

There's HUGE differences between needle and other ROAs.

Let's see... exponentially higher risk of overdose, because if you're sniffing or even smoking, you can do it slowly bit by bit and pace yourself by gauging how much you're feeling. Heroin can actually be not only safer but to some extent more enjoyable as well, if you have no tolerance to worry about. It's definitely nicer to get a mild relaxing subtle heroin high, instead of getting so fucked that you're puking constantly. The puking and nausea actually tends to turn a lot of people who try heroin for the first time away from it, since it's a drug with a subtle high and isn't a slap in the face (minus the rush part).

Also, you can acquire all sorts of nasty bacterial infections, and permanent viral infections if you're sharing rigs. You can get nasty abscesses, and even endocarditis (heart valve infection) and this happens without sharing or anything.
 
Maybe theres increased stigma because of the percieved increased risk of HIV/AIDS etc when pinning shit. Maybe also because "you must be a junky if you're prepared to stick a needle in yourself to get high".
 
Stupid stigma? Right...

I don't even care to research this to be honest. It seems obvious to me that injecting users have the most health problems. Therefore I wouldn't call the stigma stupid.

Even with pharm grade stuff calling it the safest ROA is just not true. Are pharm grade pills not safe? Are pharm grade inhalants not safe? It really depends on the drug which ROA is safe and injecting can hardly be safe when not done by a professional in a clean setting while sober.

If you wanna inject drugs that's fine, I think you should have needle exchanges and user facilities and all that, but please don't try to make it sound safe. The stigma is real and justified.
 
I have never even come close to a OD while IVing dilaudid or morphine. Hell i even shot clonidine with morphine more then a few times and for fuck sakes do not attempt such stupidity!

The only times ive come close to OD is with fentanyl eaten and oral morphine. But both cases where pure recklessness and i was kinda suicidal at the time.

Well, I didn't mention overdosing once in my post, as that is the least of my concerns with IV. When you miss popping a pill you don't get a giant fucked up vein in your neck. If you snort slightly wrong (.01mm to the right...) you don't have a life-threatening emergency.

Overdosing is a problem with IV, but the least of problems as most drug users don't WANT to die instantly, so are incredibly careful. It's more the piece of bacteria that could have floated onto the syringe.

Plus the amount of times people do this also has a big impact. Some IV users use 4 times a day. Even if there is a 1% chance that something goes wrong, that means in 25 days there is a VERY high risk.
 
There's evidence that other ROA's can lead to just as much disaster... it all depends on the user, and how much effort they exert in the name of harm reduction.

Never said there wasn't. Doing drugs (which includes alcohol) is a risk, no matter how you do it.

When you inject drugs, your addiction potential skyrockets. Most who do it, regret the decision more than any decision they have ever made.
 
Not to be a dick in the least bit, but I'm kinda surprised they let you be moderator spewing out a comment like that.

There's HUGE differences between needle and other ROAs.

Let's see... exponentially higher risk of overdose, because if you're sniffing or even smoking, you can do it slowly bit by bit and pace yourself by gauging how much you're feeling. Heroin can actually be not only safer but to some extent more enjoyable as well, if you have no tolerance to worry about. It's definitely nicer to get a mild relaxing subtle heroin high, instead of getting so fucked that you're puking constantly. The puking and nausea actually tends to turn a lot of people who try heroin for the first time away from it, since it's a drug with a subtle high and isn't a slap in the face (minus the rush part).

Also, you can acquire all sorts of nasty bacterial infections, and permanent viral infections if you're sharing rigs. You can get nasty abscesses, and even endocarditis (heart valve infection) and this happens without sharing or anything.

I did say "if done properly"... think about hospitals... they use needles all the time... of course if you go injecting cocaine thats 20% pure and 80% lord knows what... thats not safe.... but if you have a vial of diazepam or midazolam (you know your tolerance, and its a fixed dose), it's perfectly safe, if you know what you're doing.

but i respect everyones opinion.... if you don't want to do it... don't do it.... but thats my opinion...
 
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Some people associate needles with pain and unpleasantness, as their only experience is when they receive injections from doctors (eg tetanus), they derive no pleasure from this and in fact feel a bit of pain later that day and thus assume injections will be unpleasant.

Also many of my friends think that if they IV they will become addicted overnight and some do drugs that can't be IV'd
 
I Used to hate on needles pretty seriously back inthe day. I've chilled out nowadays to each their own.

I Always figured though, a guy smoking meth isn't as far gone as a guy slamming meth y'know?
 
I work in the firefighter/ems field and it's amazing the amount of hippocracy that I see. I've known medics that would condemn their best friend for taking an unprescribed pill but yet have no problem with giving themselves an IV with saline and promethazine to rid themselves of a hangover. Hell I've know firefighters who workout (myself included) that ask their buddies on shift to give them an IV to rehydrate (IV=saline bag). But these same people look down on IV drug users with a sense of hatred.

I personally have no issues with IV users if it's done right, would try it myself but don't ever have anything worth IVing.
 
I knew a guy who wouldn't shoot heroin because that was "for junkies" and he "didn't want to get addicted." The funny thing was that he would snort 3 bags and 30 minutes later start begging us to give him some more because it wasn't enough for him. He didn't have much money so he would cling onto friends that would give him a little extra dope, and he would constantly plead for it. He acted like more of a junkie than any of us who used needles. And yet he would act all high and mighty about not needing to shoot his dope. I think some people use needlephobia to justify their addiction, thinking things like "I do 8 bags of dope a day, but at least I'm not banging it."
 
People stigmatize needles because they dont know anyone who injects anything and is not a hardcore drug addict.
 
Using the needle has a chance of contracting all sorts of nasty diseases, whereas snorting/oral does not. The needle is also by far the most euphoric RoA which generally means the chances of the user becoming severely addicted/a junkie are much higher, and therefore there's a much higher chance that it's a type of person you wouldn't want to associate with (not saying all needle-ers are nasty inhumane piles of garbage or what have you).
 
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