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Hating on people who hate on needles...

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why is it "OK" to smoke cannabis , crack, meth, salvia etc... and destroy your lungs... why is it "OK" for people to snort cocaine, ketamine, speed etc... and deteriorate your sinuses...

But you you a needle once in a while recreationnaly and suddenly its a big thing... oh he's a junky he uses a needle.... when in fact, this ROA... if done properly (clean stuff.. micron filters etc....) is the safest ROA there is...

there isn't really a question here, but if you can relate please share
 
I think calling IV the "safest" ROA, might be a bit of an overstatement. Even in the hypothetical scenario where your hygiene is completely tip-top and your procedure sterile, you're still bypassing some of the body's natural defense barriers such as the first pass metabolism, not to mention the fact that you achieve maximal receptor saturation within a very short time span, thereby significantly increasing the risk of OD.

I'd actually say that IV is the ROA with the slimmest margin of failure. However, If done correct, it is rather harmless to the body, but you absolutely, positively have got to know your shit!

I can totally relate to the attitude you describe however, and it sucks. Funny thing is, often times, people uttering those opinions, will actually be pretty clueless as to exactly why they dislike IV (or rather the idea of IV). The social stigma is indeed strong with this one!

peace!
 
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TwoOnSmack said:
Funny thing is, often times, people uttering those opinions, will actually be pretty clueless as to exactly why they dislike IV (or rather the idea of IV). The social stigma is indeed strong with this one!
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This.
It's one of those things that has no basis in reason, but instead in fear/stigma. If you know your shit like TwoOnSmack said, there really shouldn't be any hating going on. It's hard to change people's minds on these things though.
 
The vast majority of people cringe at the stuff we needle freaks do . It has to be something more than just 'squeamishness', I would think .
Having not studied the phenomena, I have only my own opinions to go on . It's been ages since i stuck a spike into my veins and I certainly don't miss the crazyness .
 
its mostly the inexperienced people who say that. and its because using the needle is most complicated and can go wrong more easily just trying to get the drug in your system. also IV is usually much more addictive for things like dope and meth
 
I went from being scared shitless of needles to IVing dilaudid or morphine about 6 times a day. It's just a stupid stigma for the most part and a irrational fear atleast when the shit your shooting is actually sterile and meant to be injected.

Now when your banging stuff like MScontin you have a right to be scared of it. Hell even i only do that when im low on morphine and desperate.

All the same IV drug use did fuck me up good and proper for abit. So i certainly wouldnt advise anyone to start injecting if they havent already done so.
 
I say don't knock it till you tried!

I can't imagine using my shit (Dilaudid, Dope & Coke) any other way TBO.

Once you start fucking with the spike there's no going back!
 
i dont care if people use needles, most of my friends do, but i can understand why people trip about it. Smoking is fine, snorting is a little out there but still not that shocking to most people, but sticking a piece of metal directly into your vein is pretty wild. Completely unnatural and i think the aspect of inflicting pain on yourself drives the stigma too. Not that smoking or snorting is natural either but you know.

I think what also does it is that it goes from a social thing, passing a blunt or a tray of lines, to a solitary almost surgical event.
 
Well, it is really risky. If you are eating or snorting a drug that is a measured dose, it is much easier to do things right.

With needles it is something you have to research. People go to school to learn how to IV properly, because if you miss (with most drugs) it is life threatening instantly. If people are smart and safe, then it is not too bad. The problem is the majority of people aren't doing it 100% sterile and safe, which gives it a bad name.
 
ech0s85 said:
I think what also does it is that it goes from a social thing, passing a blunt or a tray of lines, to a solitary almost surgical event.
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I've never IVed anything so I thought I'd toss my perspective in. I agree with echo that the solitariness of it can make it seem "junky-like," but plenty of people, including myself, smoke and snort stuff alone, probably very often. The ROA isn't what defines a "junkie" at all, its frequency of use, priority in life, etc. I don't have anything against this ROA, but the people I know who do it have no fucking clue what they are doing. And they certainly don't wanna hear anything from someone who has never IVed nor is a nurse about it, although I feel I could toss in some tips from my Bluelighterness.

Also, most people are afraid of needles from childhood, and since it's often associated with the doctor or sickness it's affiliated with something negative. I know that I pass out during blood tests regardless of how many precautions I take, and I'm sure stuff like this also aids other non-IV users into thinking it is also a form of self-harm, as echo also mentioned, and that is moreso the stereotype they are holding against them --- that they enjoy hurting themselves. Spotting bad trackmarks or bad self mutilation wounds that don't seem as if they are old scars both send the same type of red-flag to my brain, and probably those of many others.

Once again, just figured you guys would like the opinions of a non-IVer who doesn't scream "YOU'RE A JUNKIE" at the thought of needle use.
 
Because most people hate needles, and many dislike blood. The thought of a person purposely using a needle on themselves seems very strange and foreign.

Medically speaking, IV is FAR from the safest ROA, even if done "properly" as you say. You're bypassing all of your body's main layers of defense, which always carries extra risk.
 
lightitup said:
Well, it is really risky. If you are eating or snorting a drug that is a measured dose, it is much easier to do things right.

With needles it is something you have to research. People go to school to learn how to IV properly, because if you miss (with most drugs) it is life threatening instantly. If people are smart and safe, then it is not too bad. The problem is the majority of people aren't doing it 100% sterile and safe, which gives it a bad name.
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I have never even come close to a OD while IVing dilaudid or morphine. Hell i even shot clonidine with morphine more then a few times and for fuck sakes do not attempt such stupidity!

The only times ive come close to OD is with fentanyl eaten and oral morphine. But both cases where pure recklessness and i was kinda suicidal at the time.
 
I hate needles because veins (even the thought of them) really bother me, nothing to do with junkies :P
 
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how can you call needle the safest? how many times have people OD'd with a needle and how many times have they OD'd snorting? even with dope shoot a little more of a fentanyl mix bag that you never heard of and you're probably ODing. i'm not saying you can't be responsible with a needle but it's definetly not the safest, because we deal with street drugs, not labratory shit hospitals get. also needle uses is correlated to high drug use and who the fuck wants to be addicted.

again i'm not saying everyone is like this but a high % of people have experienced this. i don't think i've stated my point in a clear way but fuck it it's 2am and i'm about to sleep my head's cloudy
 
I see it as a chemistry/phobia problem. People associate needles with bacteria and infection. Then you have the type of person who is simply scared of needles in general. For me its worth it to jam a needle in my vein occasionally to save a few mgs here and there. I too would hate on needles if they didn't raise the BA exponentially like they do.
 
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