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Hating on people who hate on needles...

I shoot up, but when I see someone (we all know at least one) who does an hpur of exploratory surgery trying to find a vein I sorta understand why it makes people squeamish.
 
HorseyP said:
Maybe theres increased stigma because of the percieved increased risk of HIV/AIDS etc when pinning shit. Maybe also because "you must be a junky if you're prepared to stick a needle in yourself to get high".
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I'd say it's this and because of the huge stigma about IV drug use it is a lot more common than lots of people and society want to admit. Then there's the stigma of Hep C.

I'm not saying that people here on this site are like this I mean society in general and people who don't know a lot about drugs or IV drug use don't realize how common it can be.

I do not IV and never have, but I know many people who have or who once did.
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
I'd say it's this and because of the huge stigma about IV drug use it is a lot more common than lots of people and society want to admit. Then there's the stigma of Hep C.
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My boyfriend and I know a guy who does dope and sometimes gets us some, and he has Hep C. This actually makes us more careful around everyone else because we think, "what if person x has hep c and I/they don't know?" so no sharing ANYTHING, no water, spoons, even cotton lol. My boyfriend and I share rigs with eachother, but we are both clean and already exchange fluid in other ways so it doesn't matter. I think a lot of people picture IV users as dirty looking junkies in a disgusting dark room, sharing rigs and other equipment and basically looking like the lowest of life forms.

speaking of drug images, it's funny how alcohol ads always show some hot models drinking vodka at a party or some fun loving frat guys drinking Bud at a football game, not the guy who is in a nasty club bathroom for 2 hours puking his brains out. maybe if we made some upbeat heroin commercials, people would like it more!
 
yo phatass i understand your point but you're living in a fairy tale. your "if you know what you're doing" logic can be applied to any roa, if i know exact dose of ketamine(w/e) then sniffing it will be perfectly fine. even ask lacey k, i'm not sure if she's posted here but i'm sure she said something like "when u begin with the needle, everything changes". i'm glad that u can use the needle and be perfectly healthy and fine however there are a ton of things that can go wrong when injecting no matter how experienced and it seems illogical you're trying to tell everyone how injecting is the safest roa...
 
^^well i hardly ever IV any more, i'd stopped for a year and a half...

to those saying you can't get diseases bacteria from sniffing thats bullshit, if you share a straw or a rolled up bill with someone who has hep B you can get infected there are actually lots of bacteria you can get from sharing your "sniffing material", so if you don't share, you're not risking infection

when you iv just pretend you're in a hospital and do everything they would do in hospitals (washing hands with soap, having a sterile area, clean unuse materials...

Yes once you've tried the needle you're more prone to addiction, coz that rush you get is just incredible... i guess it comes down to .;.. do you trust yourself with a needle;;. its the person that counts more than thee needle, even though the needle plays an important role...

also i guess i'm sort of playing the devils advocate, because i am aware of all the danger and destruction needles have do and will cause, but i think its an interesting topic

sory, hope this makes sense, i been up for a couple of nights ;)
 
I don't hate on ppl who use needles, hell I have now and than but honestly I don't want that shit in my house....Do it at home and im fine with it....

1. I don't want people dying in my house
2. I don't want any chance of your blood in my house
3. Some of these mother fuckers will leave rigs, leave burnt spoons, they dont care or respect your home at all.
 
PendulumAM said:
speaking of drug images, it's funny how alcohol ads always show some hot models drinking vodka at a party or some fun loving frat guys drinking Bud at a football game, not the guy who is in a nasty club bathroom for 2 hours puking his brains out. maybe if we made some upbeat heroin commercials, people would like it more!
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No one gets drunk and pukes all night. Not unless you are like 13 years old and drinking for the 2nd time....
 
Roger32 said:
No one gets drunk and pukes all night. Not unless you are like 13 years old and drinking for the 2nd time....
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well I never said "all night" anyway, but i've seen plenty of people who were NOT lightweights get shitfaced and puke for an hour or 2. I go to a college with over 50,000 people and have been there for over 2 years so I've seen my fair share of parties, bars and clubs. I guess you've never heard of alcohol poisoning...
 
AMEN...

The problem is... most people are too ignorant to learn how to use needles safely. Or too weak to stay strong against it overtaking their lives. MOST PEOPLE experience negativity in their lives that is greater than what it would be if they didn't use needles.

But, if you are a strong minded person and you educate yourself and practice all the wonderful ways of harm reduction and know yourself and your sources... then, yes, I believe IV to be safer.

I will never put anything in my nose again, it wrecks my sinuses for days.
 
Moredopamine said:
Using the needle has a chance of contracting all sorts of nasty diseases, whereas snorting/oral does not. The needle is also by far the most euphoric RoA which generally means the chances of the user becoming severely addicted/a junkie are much higher, and therefore there's a much higher chance that it's a type of person you wouldn't want to associate with (not saying all needle-ers are nasty inhumane piles of garbage or what have you).
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You can contract Hep C from sharing straws or bills when snorting... it's more difficult but still possible!

I also find it funny how people will have unprotected sex, but then get freaked out by someones blood or sharing needles with a sex partner. Sharing a needle and having unprotected sex carry similar disease risks (tho you can't get genital warts from a needle!)

Junkies leaving needles, caps, and stealing your spoons is definitely a problem. Even my close friends do it, but they get comfortable around me. Guys tend to be worse than girls because girls have purses, but guys stash their works in their pockets which tends to be less secure. Plus guys are generally messier! =D
 
pyr3x said:
I also find it funny how people will have unprotected sex, but then get freaked out by someones blood or sharing needles with a sex partner. Sharing a needle and having unprotected sex carry similar disease risks (tho you can't get genital warts from a needle!)
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The funny thing is, some people think they will get diseases even if the needle has never touched another person and is completely sterile. Yet these people will have unprotected sex or use one of those shitty free planned parenthood condoms that has a high chance of tearing. Fluid exchange is fluid exchange...
 
PendulumAM said:
The funny thing is, some people think they will get diseases even if the needle has never touched another person and is completely sterile. Yet these people will have unprotected sex or use one of those shitty free planned parenthood condoms that has a high chance of tearing. Fluid exchange is fluid exchange...
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Injecting someone's blood directly makes it MUCH easier to contract shit than from unprotected sex, can't dispute that. I did both earlier today, and it was great! We've both been tested though, and together over a year so no worries :P
 
I think the reason it's so stigmatized is due to the fact you're sticking a piece of metal into your vein to get high. Also, when people think of IV drug users, they think of homeless junkies, when in reality there are all sorts of people that use needles, not just people you see sleeping on the street in the hood.
 
I think if IVing drugs didn't cause vein collapse then it would be much less stigmatized. E.g. I've never seen snorting or plugging particularly stigmatized, and the latter is quite disturbing at first thought.
 
Also, IVing creates track marks, which are obvious. Most people would never ever think about shooting up just because of that.
 
funkgerm said:
Also, IVing creates track marks, which are obvious. Most people would never ever think about shooting up just because of that.
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Some time back I told myself that if I ever decide to try heroin I'll IV it the first time so I can have the absolute best peak experience. Fortunately I've since matured. 8o
 
i use the needle b/c it gets me high right away no waitin. And if i dont get that high i redose immediatley.
 
This is a stupid thread and i've been IV'ing everything from dope to coke to ketogan for years.. Just face it, shooting up is not socialy acceptable. I remember when i was younger the thought of injecting made me sick so i guess i kind of get what %99 of the population thinks about the subject.
 
i cant stand these ppl they will sniff heroin all day long but if u bang it ur the worst thing there is ur the scum of the earth..also ppl who sniff coke but talk shit about the ppl who smoke it its all the same to me addiction is addiction n a drug is a drug is a drug no matter which way its being used!!!
 
It used to be ok to hit your wife... People used to think smoking weed would cause insanity. Us who IV and use hygienic practices everytime will have the last laugh. lol still wouldn't recommend it to most people though.
 
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