Had enough with cigarette taboo in America?

[burn out]

LoL. I believe in global warming, everyone does - in the sense that the globe is getting warmer. However, the idea that humans are the principle cause of global warming, is bullshit, and has no evidence to support it and evidence against it, like how Earth and Mars are correspondingly getting warmer in coordination with Sun radiative activity going up. But that's another issue, and PM me if you want to talk about that.

no evidence to support human causing global warming? what are you talking about?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

From what I gather, Second-Hand Smoke is bad, but not 'as bad' as it's made to be. Yes, that is arbitrary and vague, and intentionally - I'm not that well read on the subject, but I am read on it a bit.

I'm just saying it's been a little overhyped, and may not be as immediately dangerous as they say it is. Of course it's not good, but maybe it's not as bad as they say.

On another note: I will not talk about global warming here. If you want to discuss global warming, make a thread in Second Opinion and PM me the link. End of Discussion

 

[Mr Blonde]

Smoking not only hurts the smoker, but it hurts those around them even more. I personally wouldn't want nasty toxic cigarette smoke being blown into my babies face or anyones for that matter.

Just thought that I'd mention that whenever I'm in public having a cigarette and a mother with children walks by, I'll make sure NOT to blow smoke in their direction, usually I'll wait until they've past until taking another draw.

And I don't blow smoke in anyone's face...well, sometimes my brother but only when he deserves it, you know

 

[otb01]

But second-hand smoke is the main factor of those cancer cases. The cancer wouldn't be diagnosed as being caused by second hand smoke unless their was tar and other crap in the victims lungs, and traces of nicotine metabolite found in the body.

Cancer isn't the only disease that it causes. You ignored the fact that it cause over 13 TIMES as many heart diseases, and up to nearly 90 TIMES as many lower respiratory tract infections, as it does cancer. It also causes 430 sudden infant death syndrome deaths anually, and people say that they would never blow smoke into a babies face. BULLSHIT! It also aggravates symptoms in up to a million children with asthma anually.

So this MOTHERFUCKING BULLSHIT has to stop.

It actually is not the MAIN factor. If you look up a less biased source, you'll see that. You also don't realize that there are all kinds of ENVIORNMENTAL factors other than second hand smoking that cause that stuff. It is rarely just second hand smoking. I also seriously doubt the accuracy of the SIDS figure as SIDS itself is a fairly uncharted issue which has been mostly linked to brain abnormalities.

No, sorry, YOUR motherfucking bullshit needs to stop. I also find it funny that you are trying to argue this when you have filled up other threads with pictures of animes 8)

 

[Tytan]

Gold standard means nothing. Money is a scam, it literally is. But everyone buys into it, so the system works, which is all that's needed. All it takes to make cash worth something is your neighbor saying "Sure I'll sell you my CD for $2".

Why don't you educate yourself?

I pray that your joking. Sorry if I offended you by telling your friend to educate himself, but he needs it… apparently you do too.

As for the declining ratio of American money, that simply means America is having a huge export deficit, which is a good sign - it means Americans are buying up all the shit everyone else makes, a sign that America is fucking rich and has huge spending power compared to the rest of the world.

Yeah, we are borrowing millions of dollars from China, and we have sooo much spending power. If you print money whenever you want it, with no standard… the value of it goes down.

Yes, I'm sure you've read from "credible" sources. I know I got the him minting money thing wrong but he still DOES want to go to the gold standard. Which, as I have said, is insane.

Yes, I have read credible sources. And if you got the minting money thing wrong… it stands to reason your wrong about a lot more. So tell me, without regurgitating other B.S., why a gold standard is “insane”. This ought to be good.

You two guys need some serious education.

BTW… just to keep this somewhat on topic. Ron Paul has Never voted to increase taxes… cigarettes or otherwise, and would also like to end the war on drugs. Yeah… I can see how people think he is crazy. 8)

 

[otb01]

I pray that your joking. Sorry if I offended you by telling your friend to educate himself, but he needs it… apparently you do too.

Yeah, we are borrowing millions of dollars from China, and we have sooo much spending power. If you print money whenever you want it, with no standard… the value of it goes down.

Yes, I have read credible sources. And if you got the minting money thing wrong… it stands to reason your wrong about a lot more. So tell me, without regurgitating other B.S., why a gold standard is “insane”. This ought to be good.

You two guys need some serious education.

BTW… just to keep this somewhat on topic. Ron Paul has Never voted to increase taxes… cigarettes or otherwise, and would also like to end the war on drugs. Yeah… I can see how people think he is crazy. 8)

The gold standard is ridiculous because it makes money an inconvenience. Please, I'd like to see you buy your new car with gold coins.

Value actually goes down due to relative worth. It's a little more complicated than that.

The gold standard is also crazy because the value of gold itself fluctuates!

You go educate YOURSELF.

 

[Tsukasa]

It actually is not the MAIN factor. If you look up a less biased source, you'll see that. You also don't realize that there are all kinds of ENVIORNMENTAL factors other than second hand smoking that cause that stuff. It is rarely just second hand smoking. I also seriously doubt the accuracy of the SIDS figure as SIDS itself is a fairly uncharted issue which has been mostly linked to brain abnormalities.

No, sorry, YOUR motherfucking bullshit needs to stop. I also find it funny that you are trying to argue this when you have filled up other threads with pictures of animes 8)

Where's your proof? until you actually cite your sources than I won't believe a word of that.

And what does me posting a picture of some anime, to make fun of someone have to do with me being able to argue an issue such as this?

 

[otb01]

Where's your proof? until you actually cite your sources than I won't believe a word of that.

And what does me posting a picture of some anime, to make fun of someone have to do with me being able to argue an issue such as this?

I don't have to cite any sources. You can use google as well as I can.

The you posting pictures of anime to flood a thread with crap and get it off topic has everything to do with evidence against your character/intellect. 8)

 

[Tsukasa]

I don't have to cite any sources. You can use google as well as I can.

The you posting pictures of anime to flood a thread with crap and get it off topic has everything to do with evidence against your character/intellect. 8)

You're the one making the claims, so the burden of proof is on YOU.

So what are you saying? How is it evidence against my character or intellect? Please explain to me, because I really don't understand.

 

[otb01]

You're the one making the claims, so the burden of proof is on YOU.

So what are you saying? How is it evidence against my character or intellect? Please explain to me, because I really don't understand.

Actually, if my memory serves me correctly, you were the first one to bring up second hand smoking so it's your job.

It is evidence of your character and intellect because you have a reputation of filling threads with what is essentially crap.

 

[Nik Dynosaur]

it's pointless doing what you guys are doing right now, this was a good thread let's try to be civil and not ruin it. I was enjoying the discussion and once threads go this route people start to leave them alone.

 

[rave23]

you know, the whole not smoking at work thing is... well ... fine! I can see why you should have a smoke-free workplace, but if someone wants to smoke a cigarette outside the building on his break then he should be allowed. i nearly got fired for that shit. Now tell me, who get's hurt if i am smoking on my 30 minute break outside the FUCKING BUILDING? Nobody. Right!

 

[Tsukasa]

Actually, if my memory serves me correctly, you were the first one to bring up second hand smoking so it's your job.

It is evidence of your character and intellect because you have a reputation of filling threads with what is essentially crap.

I already presented my argument and cited my sources. You are arguing against it, but cite no sources. Until you do, my argument stands.

The people in that thread provoked me by doing unneccary name-calling and displaying other childish behavior. I was simply arguing at their level. Doesn't mean i'm like that all the time.

 

[Nik Dynosaur]

i feel like eeyore

 

[Tsukasa]

it's pointless doing what you guys are doing right now, this was a good thread let's try to be civil and not ruin it. I was enjoying the discussion and once threads go this route people start to leave them alone.

Webster dictionaries definition of discussion:

an act or instance of discussing; consideration or examination by argument, comment, etc., esp. to explore solutions; informal debate.

A discussion isn't just about about agreeing with what someone says. It can also include arguments against it. Not everyone has to agree with what is being said.

I'm not attacking anyone personally, i'm simply stating what is, both objectively and subjectively. Alot of people here don't understand that and take it personally, and resort to name-calling, insults, threats, and other childish things.

 

[rave23]

Doesn't mean i'm like that all the time.

Most of the time though
Just kidding big boy, no offense taken okay ?

But seriously... i agree with both sides. Everybody should have the right to do whatever they want as long as they do not put others in danger. I smoke, and if someone has a problem than they can tell me and i put out my smoke. Easy as that. But if they just give me that stare and don't say a thing and just expect me to put it out then... well... they can kiss my ass. if they give me some respect though and ask me politely to put it out no big deal. Even in a bar where smoking is common and allowed. I am more than happy to make the place a bit more enjoyable for others.
As far as the prices go... It's cheaper for me to smoke pot all day long than to smoke cigarettes. I pay about 10 - 15 $ a day for cigs, that could get me some good chronic that i could smoke on all day long if i wanted too... So much for the price thing...

 

[Nik Dynosaur]

I'm not attacking anyone personally, i'm simply stating what is, both objectively and subjectively. Alot of people here don't understand that and take it personally, and resort to name-calling, insults, threats, and other childish things.

that's why i was saying it was a good conversation until it became you two bickering.

 

[otb01]

I already presented my argument and cited my sources. You are arguing against it, but cite no sources. Until you do, my argument stands.

The people in that thread provoked me by doing unneccary name-calling and displaying other childish behavior. I was simply arguing at their level. Doesn't mean i'm like that all the time.

Ok, keep telling yourself your argument stands. If you don't believe me disprove me.

Btw, this isn't the first thread you've almost ruined. 8)

 

[Tsukasa]

Ok, keep telling yourself your argument stands. If you don't believe me disprove me.

Btw, this isn't the first thread you've almost ruined. 8)

Nobody will believe you unless you cite your sources for your claims. I suggest you start doing that, or stop talking out of your ass.

I don't look at things that way. The only thing I did was brought my point of view on the issue to light. Just because you disagree with me and can't argue is no reason to say i've ruined your thread and cry about it.

 

[IcarusRisen]

I'm tired of the cigarette taboo in america. I'm especially tired of people looking at me like I'm a murderer when I smoke one.