Girl sucks 24 cocks for a free drink in Magaluf

[BecomingJulie]

But her consent was extracted under false pretences. They misrepresented the prize and took advantage of her drunken state; and then they further degraded her by filming and broadcasting her abuse. Had she been sober, and had she been aware that the reward was to be a single cocktail no doubt made with the cheapest ingredients as opposed to an actual free holiday, it is my contention that she would not have agreed to the stunt. This is what makes it rape.

And Summer, your post reads dangerously close to "rape is something that happens to other people".

 

[Dark Side]

No once forced there dick in her mouth, she willingly sucked their cocks. You don't know if she would of agreed or not you are just assuming, You cannot call that rape its the biggest over exaggeration ever.

 

[parttime crackhead]

Julie I'm sorry but you're a mileout here. She wasn't raped.

I'm sorry but no matter how drunk/whatever I was I would still never do this. I'm sure the same goes for most people. You don't 'accidently' suck 24 guys off, if she was still conscious enough to do that then there was some element of choice there no matter how much she was conned or whatever so yeah, you couldn't ever call it rape.

Word. I can think of at least one of my (male) mates (oddly enough I'm sure there's another but can't quite remember) who (isn't gay and) has sucked a guy off. When called on this the excuse has been "I was really, really drunk. It seemed like a good idea at the time". My reply was it's fine if you wanted to but don't blame it on being hammered, I've been more than drunk many times, I've been so out my face I didn't know I had a face, and I've never put a dick in my mouth. You wanted to do it.

It's a totally different story when someone is so drunk that they don't know what they're doing but when you can still say to them "Do you want to suck this dick?" and get a reply of "Yes, I want to suck this dick" then it is not rape, not in any way whatsoever.

And Summer, your post reads dangerously close to "rape is something that happens to other people".

It doesn't at all Summer.

 

[ColtDan]

Had she been sober, and had she been aware that the reward was to be a single cocktail no doubt made with the cheapest ingredients as opposed to an actual free holiday, it is my contention that she would not have agreed to the stunt. This is what makes it rape.

No it doesn't.

If a bloke claimed hes somebody famous and a girl chose to sleep with him is that rape? no. she chose to do it. regardless of getting tricked or not, her choice

 

[Shambles]

I can totally see your point, Julie... can't quite agree with it though. If there was a rapey equivalent to manslaughter vs murder it'd be the former form perhaps. Consent was deeply, deeply suspect if present at all in any meaningful sense but she looked pretty with it to me. Just the sheer number of times she managed to spin around searching for another plebian penis to go for without falling flat on her arse suggests she wasn't that drunk.

I do completely agree that it's the men - and especially the bar staff/owner and holiday reps that are the ones that should be getting the shit for it though. She was naive and taken advantage of but the people who did the advantage taking are the real lowlives in this whole grubby bizniz.

 

[swampdragon]

"In a row?"

I was waiting to see a Clerks reference.. good man.

Just the sheer number of times she managed to spin around searching for another plebian penis to go for without falling flat on her arse suggests she wasn't that drunk.

Yeah, I was just about to say this.. she must have been aware what she was doing, although the situation and misrepresentation of the prize/etc was a pretty awful thing to do.

 

[Hangover]

Exactly.

This

People who post this should be warned and infracted... this is pure spam and does my fucking head in

 

[ponch]

^This

 

[warriorOnTheEdge]

^ That

 

[swampdragon]

^ Exactly

 

[curious_24]

People who post this should be warned and infracted... this is pure spam and does my fucking head in

Quoted for motherfucking truth. If you're going to post, at least make the effort to add something to the conversation. Couldn't agree more.

 

[SummerSerenade]

I could be really controversial and give my opinion of the girl herself but I'll be nice for once and keep things short. Can't be arsed writing an essay so in summary, if you have the chance to say no and have that choice respected then you can never say you've been raped. If you think otherwise then I'm (not) sorry but you're one of the reasons why actual rape isn't taken anywhere near as seriously as it ought to be.

If she had been forced into that situation in some way then I would be the first person to be sympathetic and criticise the fuck out of the guys involved. But she wasn't, she's just another drunken slag who seems to be all too representative of girls these days. Even if it had been for a holiday, please. Sucking 24 cocks for one fucking holiday? Or even 1 for that matter...

Fortunately she doesn't seem to be claiming it was rape in the first place because if she was then I would have a hell of a lot more to say about this ridiculous situation.

 

[zombywoof]

hope she didnt have a chipped front tooth now that would have been some organ grinder

 

[BecomingJulie]

How can anyone imagine that any of the blame rests with anyone but the men who participated in this? If someone is under the influence of drink or drugs, they are not in a fit state to consent to sexual activity; and if they attempt to initiate sexual contact, the only correct course of action is politely to decline. The fact that they may appear to be enjoying themselves is of limited relevance; the real question is, would they be so happy for the same thing to happen to them while sober? I have known people injure themselves seriously while drunk, and laugh about it at the time. Presumably, they would not be so happy to suffer the same injury while sober.

Leaving aside for the moment any apparent willingness as a participant on the victim's part, would you at least agree that she was deceived by a false promise? For instance, had the challenge not been something sexual but something onerous such as cleaning the bar's toilets (though it is my unfortunate experience of drunken men that the toilets are the one of the least likely places for them to be found pissing) to win one drink, would you consider this to be unfair, and that she was taken advantage of?

The blame belongs with everyone who thought this was a good idea. The organisers of the competition, and the men who took part. For the deception as to the true nature of the reward, and for the nature of the challenge.

Having said that, I am aware that mobs can turn ugly (and the inverse of the IQ of a mob is equal to the sum of the inverses of the IQs of each of its members) and at least some of the men involved might have felt pressured into participating, for fear of having their sexuality -- and by extension, their worthiness -- questioned. If they were acting under duress, then they too are victims (but not blameless ones; it is better to risk being called a poof than a rapist).

TL;DR -- this is a reminder that we still live in a horrid, sexist culture. And if some people stop and think about changing that, then maybe some good will come of the whole sordid mess.

 

[Shambles]

I totally agree with your tl;dr summation, Julie.

However, I do think it's very hard to go down the route of suggesting any sexual contact when somebody is under the influence is automatically equivalent to rape. By that definition those 24 blokes were also raped cos I kinda doubt they were sober either. I do see where you're coming from but I still think it falls well short of rape in the way I would think of it. By that standard when my ex used to come home pissed after a night out when I didn't fancy going out and she was randy as fuck that makes me a rapist?

 

[ColtDan]

People who post this should be warned and infracted... this is pure spam and does my fucking head in

^ You. this. that

The Co2 you exhale is pure spam haha

If someone is under the influence of drink or drugs, they are not in a fit state to consent to sexual activity;

I disagree. very strange

 

[ponch]

How do you know the men that took part knew there was deception involved in what the prize was? As far as they were concerned they probably thought she was getting a holiday the same as she did. I very much doubt it was some big joke everyone was in on apart from her.

Not that i think its cool 24 blokes are up for stuffing their cock in her mouth, i think its pretty creepy.

 

[SummerSerenade]

Still stick by what I said. If, at any point, you have the chance to say no and walk away then it can never be rape. Never.

I have been so absolutely off my face drunk that I've barely known where I was on numerous occasions but even in that kind of state I've never fucked some random guy or been tempted to blow 24 chavs for a holiday. You can still say no. I've gone as far as punching a guy in the face for not taking several nos as an answer. If, after saying no any of those guys had forced me into doing anything then that would have been rape. If I'd had my drink spiked and wasn't able to say no then that would also be rape.

Alcohol does not change your personality to the extent that it causes you to act like a stupid gullible slut if you have no inclination to behave like that in the first place. In her situation, most girls would still have made the choice to walk away. She didn't. And though the guys could still be considered twats for partaking in that kind of thing, her choice (choice being the key word) says more about her than it does any of them.

Calling this situation rape in anyway takes the piss tbh, ask anyone who's actually been raped and I'm sure they'd tell you they would have preferred to be in the position of magaluf slag so they could have had that fucking choice rather than having it made for them. Rape isn't taken seriously enough in our society and if people see situations like this as being equivalent to actual rape then I can actually understand why.

 

[Shambles]

At the risk of really pissing off Hangover, ^ that.

It's a grotty incident involving what I strongly suspect are pretty grotty individuals. Grotty but not truly rapey. The deception is definitely a big problem but I don't think that it really qualifies as rape. How many men tell porkies to get a girl in bed? Or indeed the other way around. I wouldn't say those situations are rape either. May leave a bad taste - not half as bad as the taste she got left with I suspect (lawdy will she need that drink 8() - but it ain't rape.

I do see the point about choice and informed choice but realistically there are many, many situations where the latter is not really in place that nobody would ever realistically consider to be equivalent to actual rape.

 

[Droppersneck]

Hahahaha, Bear you slag. :D

Would it bum anybody out if I brought up the question of whether there's a pretty nasty undercurrent of misogyny running through this entire affair? I mean, the girl's no doubt an idiot, but it's exploitative and degrading. Yes, I know that's what some people want, but she's clearly wrecked and obviously beyond disinhibition and therefore very vulnerable.

Bonus point for the first person to point out the hypocrisy in me addressing said issue immediately after an opening sentence in which I used the word 'slag'.

I mean, don't get me wrong. Women are obviously rubbish and evil and all, but...

Exactly what I was thinking the fact that they took the time to report this is horribly offensive to women imo.