Girl sucks 24 cocks for a free drink in Magaluf

[swampdragon]

If someone is under the influence of drink or drugs, they are not in a fit state to consent to sexual activity

What a weirdly wrong and sweeping statement to make.. there's a hige difference between completely intoxicated and "under the influence". Plus it also kinda depends what drugs, I think. 8)

 

[Shambles]

Exactly what I was thinking the fact that they took the time to report this is horribly offensive to women imo.

This was something I meant to add earlier actually, but who the fuck voted fukkin 4chan as guardians of internet morality? Gets right on my tits when they do shit like this. Bunch o' bellends anyway but at least when they're just doing their bellendy stuff and keeping it to themselves they're doing no harm. When they go off on some supposedly 'moral crusade' like this it's just painful. Although the 'moral crusade' bit is fairly obviously just an excuse to give some poor sods an incredibly shitty day for teh lulz - they could at least drop the pretence. Self-important bellends.

 

[Hangover]

^ You. this. that

The Co2 you exhale is pure spam haha



I disagree. very strange

The shit that comes out of you is pure spam... because you haven't got a fucking job you waste of space... you have to make due with eating cheap shit e.g. spam

 

[Droppersneck]

This was something I meant to add earlier actually, but who the fuck voted fukkin 4chan as guardians of internet morality? Gets right on my tits when they do shit like this. Bunch o' bellends anyway but at least when they're just doing their bellendy stuff and keeping it to themselves they're doing no harm. When they go off on some supposedly 'moral crusade' like this it's just painful. Although the 'moral crusade' bit is fairly obviously just an excuse to give some poor sods an incredibly shitty day for teh lulz - they could at least drop the pretence. Self-important bellends.

Yeah I feel you freedom of speech has its costs. I wish they had some international laws that could be applied for political correctness in these types of circumstances. The white male should be the only demographic allowed to have disparaging news items about them.

 

[Shambles]

Nope. People should just not be bellends for the sake of bellendery.

 

[ColtDan]

The shit that comes out of you is pure spam... because you haven't got a fucking job you waste of space... you have to make due with eating cheap shit e.g. spam

ahahaha

 

[Droppersneck]

Nope. People should just not be bellends for the sake of bellendery.

I agree I was just giving you a hard way to go. 4Chan is essentially a place where people with low self esteem go to denigrate others.

 

[BecomingJulie]

I totally agree with your tl;dr summation, Julie.

However, I do think it's very hard to go down the route of suggesting any sexual contact when somebody is under the influence is automatically equivalent to rape. By that definition those 24 blokes were also raped cos I kinda doubt they were sober either.

I'm not saying all drunken sex is rape. But drunken sex that you might not have agreed to, if you had been stone cold sober certainly comes dangerously close.

If you're too pissed to know when to say no, you are a danger to yourself and to others, and shouldn't be out without supervision. The bar staff especially defaulted on their duty of care to their customers -- when you invite someone into your home, they have the right to expect you to take some responsibility for their welfare. Not to dupe you into allowing others to harm you, and especially not to encourage that harm.

And yeah, some of the men were victims. That doesn't absolve them of any blame. It is to be hoped that they realise what a narrow escape they have had, that they aren't signing on the Sex Offenders' Register and having dog turds pushed through their letterboxes, and behave differently if they ever find themselves in a similar situation in future. Rape doesn't usually have just one victim; there are always a whole bunch of people thinking things like if only I had been there, this would never have happened and if only I hadn't told him that sexist joke, maybe he wouldn't have got involved. And usually it's the ones who were the least able to have made a difference who feel the most guilt. Anyone who has been there will understand.

By that standard when my ex used to come home pissed after a night out when I didn't fancy going out and she was randy as fuck that makes me a rapist?

But she was not someone you had just met -- you were in a pre-existing relationship, and therefore can be expected to have learned something of one another's boundaries. As long as you respected what she would have been uncomfortable with but for the drink, I think you were living by the Candlemakers' Motto. {Or pnershy jurer lbh qvc lbhe jvpx}

 

[Shambles]

I'm not saying all drunken sex is rape. But drunken sex that you might not have agreed to, if you had been stone cold sober certainly comes dangerously close.

The problem with that is that nobody knows until it's too late. Even in situations where there is an existing relationship one partner can say no sometimes so even in my (admittedly not brilliant) example it is conceivable that she would've said no - or wouldn't have just jumped me without considering whether I was interested that night for that matter. I do see the points you are making but I have to agree with Summer that by taking it so far to the extreme of rape it doesn't help your case at all. The standards you are suggesting are totally unrealistic - whether rightly or wrongly that will never happen. If we locked up everybody who'd regretted agreeing to sex due to being a bit out of it - or cos the bloke/gal turned out to be an utter twat the next day, or any of a gazillion other reasons for regretting an action - there'd be nobody left to lock them in at night. Except Cliff Richard. Is that what you want? Cliff Richard with a big set o' keys tucking the rest of us in with Big Bill/Big Bertha every night? I suspect it is

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

I know too well about the 'if only I'd been there' part.

I decided not to go to a party once, several years ago, where my then GF got raped. Felt absolutely awful when I found out, because I should have been there to have put a knife in the motherfucker responsible. Tried to get hold of him later, but she wouldn't tell me where he (the perverted little cunt that did it to her) lived, and he then started dating one of our mutual friends, and of course, SHE wouldn't tell me either, because she knew I would have gone round to his house and blown his brains out. Apparently she didn't want her boyfriend catching a bullet in the dangly parts for some strange reason.

The psychological toll on the girl who he attacked was severe, she still suffers from depression, although shes a lot better off now than she used to be. Breaks my heart that it happened to her, and breaks the leftover pieces over again, that I was not there to bring a swift and messy ending to the fucking bastard piece of worthless dog shit. If I EVER see him, I'm going to shove my hand down his throat and turn his lungs inside the fuck out, the fucking bastard. My ex shouldn't have to live with the damage wrought by his greedy, selfish abuse

Cliff richard..ugh, jesus. Thats harsh! he would be a fate worse than death. Sarah jezebel deva would be a better option IMO.

 

[Shambles]

I agree I was just giving you a hard way to go. 4Chan is essentially a place where people with low self esteem go to denigrate others.

Quite. Apologies for misunderstanding - it's a bit like Tourette's with me with 4chan stuffs. Get right on my tits so they do.

 

[ponch]

Wasn't your man cliff mentioned in another thread beginning with pae and ending in do

 

[SummerSerenade]

There's a world of difference between 'might not have agreed to' and 'is completely against anything you have done, or would ever entertain the idea of doing'. As I said previously, alcohol does not completely transform your personality or make you do things that you otherwise would never have even considered. I'll never deny that it lowers your inhibitions - as I'm naturally not the type of girl that would open her legs (or mouth, for that matter) to the first guy to show an interest, I can only speak from limited experience. But as far as it goes, I've done things I've regretted when I've been drunk, mainly involving overly flirty text messages and on one occasion a kiss. However, though I regretted these things in some cases, they didn't come from no where - they came from real feelings which I may never have admitted to or shown when sober but came out when drunk due to lowered inhibitions. Lowered inhibitions. Not a personality transplant.

In a similar way, magaluf sluts choice to suck those cocks wasn't forced into her mind by the alcohol fairies. She must have naturally been inclined towards that kind of behaviour, or she would never have done it. She had the choice. Therefore, it wasn't rape. It's as simple as that as far as I'm concerned. I'm not saying that the men didn't behave immorally to some degree, but in the end, it's all down to her. And even if I did see it as rape, it could be argued that if she was unable to handle herself in that state, she should never have gotten into it in the first place. But that's a whole other discussion.

@Limpet - that's terrible and exactly why I get so pissed off when this kind of thing is called rape when it's just some stupid girl behaving like a typical chav on a typical chav holiday and there's people like your GF that have been actually raped and are properly suffering from it.

 

[ColtDan]

^ This

 

[dee_dee]

Im amazed most people dont see it for what it really is. She was blatantly doing it for a laugh, not for the sex or the prize, that was obvious to see.

Its odd how people can understand the guys doing it for a laugh, but not the girl.

She shouldnt cry wolf though, let it be a lesson to her. If you do silly things in public places you run the risk of being filmed in these days of mobiles etc. She wont do that again in a hurry.

 

[SummerSerenade]

^ That too.

 

[Shambles]

She was well aware she was being filmed unless she was quite literally blind drunk. Nobody could reasonably expect that some bunch o' bellends would take it on themselves to send the video to her parents though.

 

[dee_dee]

Oh well if you cant make stupid mistakes when your young then when can you. It just really highlights the modern age though and the power of technology.

Back in the day that would of been the gossip of a few teen boys for a few years to come of there first holiday abroad, and she may of been branded a slapper by her mates close knit circle, these days the world can potentially get to find out...

 

[BecomingJulie]

Yep. Sex is a complicated business, and drink and drugs are just additional complicating factors. There are huge grey areas (see my earlier hypothetical situation involving the staunch vegan). The fact that it usually takes place in private, beyond the gaze of witnesses, is yet another complicating factor. And spontaneous sex with a random stranger must, at least occasionally, be very, very good indeed; otherwise, people wouldn't get into so much trouble trying to replicate such an experience for themselves.

However, I am optimistic for the future. The fact that we are discussing rape and other forms of Bad Sex (see nonce thread) shows that we are, as a society, becoming aware of the issues. There will be debate, much of it heated; and laws will be passed, some of them bad. But the Courts will knock off the worst of the rough edges, and successive governments will replace them with new laws that better approximate actual justice. Men will be called to account for their sexual misdeeds, and women won't automatically be the ones blamed and shamed. And our grandchildren will look back and think, did they really think that was anything like equality?

And now, if I may offer a suggestion that I hope isn't wildly impracticable? How about PROPER SEX AND RELATIONSHIPS EDUCATION IN SCHOOLS?!

 

[Inflorescence]

I am not so optimistic for the future Julie. Very recently the Fawcett society stated that they were/are finding it "Extremely disappointing to see such a stark example of victim blaming from the NHS and Home Office'" in regard to the below poster campaign. I couldn't agree more with that sentiment either.

However not all is lost as they also highlight that this " Look and learn: this campaign from Rape Crisis Scotland gets the message right".