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GHB/1,4-B/GBL Discussion and use

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^GHB -is- safer than MDMA.

At least in the form of in alot of MDMA cases, the death involes that missing enzyme... it's a definitely won't kill you there.. what it again CYP2D6?
 
ghb ld50: 1100mg/kg

mdma: 100-300mg/kg...

hmm which is more toxic?


What you saw was not someone dying.. its a state of induced coma from the drug. its far from death.
 
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Juice Soldier - Wouldn't that also depend on the size of the dose taken also. i.e Good pills contain 100mg+. G is drunk in varied increments of ml.
 
depending on the type of g you are taking, purest forms are thus
GHB can be diluted to over 1g per ml, so you cant judge there..

but - common forms of "g" are;
1,4-b- 1g of GHB metabolized per ml
GBL - 1.4-1.6g of GHB Metabolized per ml.

these amounts are for pure substance only, evidently if the sample has been diluted - the amounts of ghb metabolized decrease.. so you're pretty safe in most cases with street g. Although the water present in combination to the drug, with 1,4 especially - can seperate from the drug. So you need to shake it. It should also speed up the rate of metabolisation.

Both drugs are relatively non-toxic by terms of dose. since the dose taken for effect is WELL below the dose that would cause toxicity.
 
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^Yeah well thats the point, too many ignorant people in this world. Turn their cheek to anything without really giving it too much insight.

If we're looking at g users/heroin users - which one has done more harm to society in the last 10-20 years.

Yet i bet there is still more h abusers out there.
 
Well I would of killed about ten people today if I could get away with it. Does that answer your question J_S. :) Well, maybe not.

But I feel like killing myself. Doctor would not give me benzos. I got Cipramil instead.. About 32-34 hours since last dose now. W/D effects getting worse.

G is a lovely drug but the abuse potential is so much higher than any other drug. I wish I never tried it.
 
"G is a lovely drug" so true, thats probably the worst thing about it, you can use it in pretty much any situation - if it weren't for the stigma associated with it I could quite happily never drink alcohol again.

But on the other hand the stigma associated with is good, its a safe drug if used responsibly - but we can't count on the mainstream using it responsibly, especially when most of the time its sold 100ml or more at a time, thats like walking into a club carrying 20 pills - you know its gonna be a messy night :)
 
Dude, the abuse potential is there - doesn't mean one has to abuse it outright.

I've been using it for like 3-4 years now, and never fell into every day use, sure i can use it every few days, take a few weeks off, use it for a comedown.. not use it again for months etc. It changes all the time really.

I can't see why you'd wanna taste that foul taste every day every 2 hrs anyway :p
 
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Framed a dodgey bar in Sydney in the toilets, along with Ice, ecstasy and drink spiking ones. I forget which one, but the bar is named after the city surburb it is in.. and they have free Yeiger shots on certain nights and a live band over the other side, thats all I remember

No idea who made them, anyone know?
 
That's alright, you can't name the venue anyway. There's not much variety in the places I go to these days but it's always interesting seeing the drug posters up in various clubs.
 
^yeah ive seen those posters at venues in melb a while ago.... and i remember that video of the girls blowing out lol....
 
Hey guys got a couple of questions, kinda hoping for a quick response to the first.

How long does G (in this case GBL) stay in your system? I had some on sunday arvo and I've gotta get drug tested, I might be able to put it off til wednesday morning, but it's prolly gonna be tomorrow (tuesday). I've done a bit of a search but haven't been able to find anything on the site. Did a bit of a Google search and the only thing I could find was saying 8 hours it was detectable for, but that seems awefully short.

Secondly, I've used G on many occasions, but in that past it's only been once per night. What is the safest way to redose? I know it's risky, but I wanna do it in the safest way possible. I usually do about 1.5-2.0ml of GBL, would it be ok to lets say, wait 3 hours, then redose at 1.0-1.5ml?

Thanks guys, this is not a chemical I like to take risks with, I treat it with the utmost respect, cause I've seen what it does to people when you're not careful. I've learnt that it's most definitely worth the payoff though :) Definitely one of my fav chems.
 
Who's drug testing you? Employer? Probation Officer?

I'd be very surprised if GHB/GBL/1,4-B was tested for in your standard drug test.

Is it a urine, hair or saliva test?
 
Urine, it's being done by a hospital as part of a Opiod Maintainence Therapy (Methadone) program.
 
Cant be tested for. Peoples GHB levels in the blood range. And if the sample was frozen then GHB levels rise by upto 200% or more so you cannot go by that.

You pretty much can't be tested for GHB/GBL/14B unless they test for HGH or other hormone levels i think, and then they can only test for steroids after noticing HGH increases/metabolites and then they'll find nothing.

If its a urine test it's probably just the usual DipScan 6 test, which tests for benzos, THC, opiates (including codeine), cocaine, amphetamine, and methamphetamine/MDMA.

GHB cannot be spotted in urine because it breaks down to CO2 and water (someone correct me im tired)

A Friend blew out while driving and wrote off his car by hitting another car and he was blood tested 1-2 hours after it happened, insurance for his car came through fine and he was never fined for driving under the influence (he told the cops he was just tired) and the cops said it was a lab test that tests for alcohol and all drugs, and would take 2-4 weeks and its been well over that.
 
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