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GHB/1,4-B/GBL Discussion and use

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I know I need to do research myself but I need first hand reports.

1. How is interaction between anti-depresants with GBL. I mean Effexor?
2. How is mixing benzos with GBL. Is it safe or stupid.

Please report your experience and if you have tried it!

Thanks in forward
 
Hey man you just asked that question.

To my knowledge there shouldn't be any real bad dangers, but I do not have experience. Ask your doctor if drinking is okay on it, and GHB/GBL probably will be okay too. Totally different receptors man. People are given tmezepam to help with sleep when given SSRI's to take in the morning or day time, to help them sleep at night as some SSRI's have stimulating properties, I don't know if Effexor has stimulating properties for you though, or can keep you awake at night. Prozac definitely can and so can a lot of other SSRI's I've tried.

You dont mix benzos with G, it will reduce the euphoria and basically just make you sleepy and possibly harm your breathing. I take them after G sometimes when I have them, because when re-dosing all day (if i chose to do so), especially if you take a G sleep for an hour or two (forced or chosen sleep), because it can sometimes make sleep very hard at night.

“I would often wake up with a sense of dread, knowing that I would have to battle sleepiness for hours on end and wonder how I was going to get through it,” Sharon admits. She was placed on several drugs, none of which was particularly effective. The early medications disrupted her sleep, so she discontinued their use. Sharon now uses naps as her main strategy for controlling the symptoms of narcolepsy, and she uses the antidepressant drug Effexor (venlafaxine hydrochloride) for her cataplexy. Sharon also receives Xyrem (Gamma-hydroxybutyrate, GHB) through a clinical trial she has been a part of for the past two years. She finds that GHB helps by normalizing and consolidating her sleep. “My sleep stages do not occur in the right order or in the proper proportions because of the narcolepsy,” Sharon explains.
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Splatt said:
Since been told 1,4b has no shelf life.
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I used some that had been in an unrefrigerated cabinet for some years. There was no problem. Perhaps if it was mixed with water...

I can't believe that story about the dipshit DJ who considers himself some kind of Policeman of The 'Scene'. GeezLouise...like X pills are good for your health?

I think that G and related compounds used responsibly are some of the least toxic recreational drugs out there. Further, I think the drug companies saw a lot of their profits evaporating, and mounted this "date rape drug" PR campaign...and the sheep believe it.
 
Pure GHB is safe as sugar (and healthier!). No one would die from it if they take the right dose of it based on their body weight. MDMA (an alien neurotoxin) on the other hand can have some complications very rarely which result in death without using other drugs, or water intoxication. GHB = The Best. It just sucks most people have to rely on solvents with unknown street purity these days.
 
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Pure GHB is safe as sugar (and healthier!). It just sucks most people have to rely on solvents with unknown street purity these days.
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GHB is the salt of a weak acid. You could determine it in water solution by titrating a sample with 0.1 N HCl to a methyl orange endpoint. GBL could be determined in water solution by heating a sample with a known excess of NaOH, then backtitrating the NaOH that's left over with 0.1 N HCl to a phenolpthalein endpoint.

In the interests of harm reduction, I could write up a procedure, if anyone's interested.
 
I think any GHB will start to turn a little back into GBL whether powder, rocks or liquid form, because of water right? But, I am sure Zyrem is 99%+ pure GHB.
 
Splatt said:
I think any GHB will start to turn a little back into GBL whether powder, rocks or liquid form, because of water right? But, I am sure Zyrem is 99%+ pure GHB.
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It's an equilibrium. Because of the alkalinity present, GHB will mainly stay as GHB. Add a bit of acid, it's a different story.
 
Zyrem is pure ghb im pretty sure, but a fairly aqueous solution. its roughly 50% water i believe.

From what i watched on the website, a dose of 3 grams was 6ml...
 
zophen said:
I dislike what I've seen it do , I fucking hate it actually. But of course if we're talking only the good effects, well they're usually pleasant. The bad outweigh the 'good' hugely IME.
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You dislike what you've seen unwise people do to themselves with it. People do too much, they combine it with booze, they redose and redose multiple times...

Strong medicine, no doubt. But, used wisely, it has less impact healthwise per wallop than anything, esp. alcohol.
 
fasteddie said:
Strong medicine, no doubt. But, used wisely, it has less impact healthwise per wallop than anything, esp. alcohol.
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I'm not doubting that GHB can be extremely beneficial when used, medicinally or otherwise, but is there any literature or published studies that can prove these arguments. There have been a few posts that have indicated that it is less damaging than alcohol, extremely safe or even safer than MDMA and it would be nice to see these claims supported.

I think if reliable evidence can be provided to back up these claims, then there may be a shift in thinking from those who demonise this substance and those who use it.
 
lil angel15 said:
I think if reliable evidence can be provided to back up these claims, then there may be a shift in thinking from those who demonise this substance and those who use it.
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One would have to do a study, boozers vs. G dosers; you'd have to recruit users of each that did not use the other much...

It's not in the interest of the people with the money to conduct such a study.
 
I've even posted some in this thread, but its rather large. Search for "Doctor" or "Dr.**" maybe inaside this thread
 
fasteddie said:
It's not in the interest of the people with the money to conduct such a study.
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Thats an extremely short sighted statement there mate :\

There have been studies conducted, yes, but I too would like to see them referenced properly in this thread by the people advocating that GHB is safer than MDMA and alcohol. Its easy enough to say G is a safer alternative than other mainstream party drugs but to back it up with some solid research and/or statistics would make these claims much more genuine :)
 
ilikeacid said:
Thats an extremely short sighted statement there mate :\

There have been studies conducted, yes, but I too would like to see them referenced properly in this thread by the people advocating that GHB is safer than MDMA and alcohol. Its easy enough to say G is a safer alternative than other mainstream party drugs but to back it up with some solid research and/or statistics would make these claims much more genuine :)
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Well, since I opened my big, fat (virtual) yap, a-Googling I must go.

:)

I'll report back.

However, there are really practical problems with such a study. One would have to compare users with a "moderate" level of use...for alcohol that is...two drinks a day? Four? Six? And, for G, it's....?
 
^ We're all talking about GHB here, if a googling you are, then good findings you will get in relation. 1,4-b and GBL come under scrutiny in a few places in this argument, As 1,4-B has been proven to cause alot more liver damage due to the 3 part metabolisation process (needs to go through the liver twice before it reaches it's final metabolic state - GHB. before that it's converted to its aldehyde form.)
 
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